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On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now...
LOL
I don't like chaos13 either, I just think it's really illogical to suddenly jump on a random bandwagon with no analysis just because Palmar says, "hey guys let's lynch chaos13." He seemed scummy to me earlier, particularly because he was throwing around accusations with no real weight to them, just kinda flying under the radar. He said I was fishy to him, for example, and asked DB for his opinion on me before he left.
However, I think you're a better target because you've made no real contributions. No analysis, just bandwagon hopping and random voting.
Also, da eff? How have I not contributed to a good town atmosphere? I've been doing my best to put out quality posts with well-reasoned arguments that focus on a few people who seem scummy to me. I've only voted for people I think are scum, and I stand by my votes.
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On August 24 2011 09:03 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:01 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 08:58 Vain wrote:
Hmm, i'm just gonna stick with hero. Still don't believe he wasn't pushing an agenda.
Also. Palmar isn't chaos playing the same as in Real time mafia. It could be just me but wasn't revolving around EVERYTHING like his last play then or am i missing something:\ Thing is in RTM, he actively contributed to creating a good atmosphere, instead of just randomly complaining about it. yes, he's a very passive player, and I sometimes mistake his passiveness for scummyness, but I'd be more comfortable with lynching him than any of the other targets tonight. Didn't You refuse to lynch hiro based on meta ? Honestly , what the heck is this . Hiro will die anyway , so just accept it .
What the hell are you talking about Kurumi, this makes no sense. I said that sometimes I mistake it, but I think right now it's over the top, and this isn't just meta, look at the case I built against him. I'm starting to think you may not be as town-aligned as I had hoped.
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On August 24 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 08:52 Jackal58 wrote:Actually fuck it. I was saving this for the end of the night phase but Chaos has not called me scummy this game. The only other times he has done this is because he was on the scum team. I know it sounds lame but he's so damn consistent at it it's funny. I have been watching to see if he chose one of the three main targets over the others but his votes are off in the toolies. Ya I'll lynch Chaos. But I do know he is at work.  This is such terrible logic lol He called me scummy -_- (and asked DB his opinion of me lol...which DB never answered AFAIK) Also, I agree with Kurumi. Anyone notice that hiro has been "down to lynch" someone very easily all the time in this game? He first did this yesterday, and he's doing it again today.
You're not me. You didn't destroy two consecutive towns he was in so bad that 6 months later he still thinks everything you type is a lie.
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On August 24 2011 09:02 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 08:58 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now... Your team is aiming for a no lynch. So your calling me, mig, and Palmar all scum? Im afraid its your team that is pushing for a mislynch. Your logic is terrible. but thats your intent, am I right?. You have done nothing all game that is protown, and it shows badly.
Everyone is able to spit words and say how x done y , I want evidence . Also dont put words in my mouth scum . Why would supersoft and Palmar try so hard to avoid You get lynched , huh ? Sixth sense ? Chaos 13 case is just a lurker lynch . We could lynch lucidity same way . But we are not going to do that , we are lynching scum , not lurkers . As many games have shown , scum rarely lurk hardcore unless they are bad .
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chaos13 isn't lurking Kurumi... read his posts, are you actually doing any reading at all?
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Usually I think chaos is very analytical and has a strong sense of logic but some of his thoughts this game don't seem right to me. Especially his first vote on palmar. Even though palmar had been spamming and tunneling db relevant information came out of it. It helped town and it lead a lot of people to actually start scum hunting. Yet chaos tried to put all the blame of a bad town environment onto palmar when he had probably done the most to help the town early on. It just seemed like an attempt to easily discredit palmar.
Along with that I agree with palmar's points. Has chaos actually put any effort into the game at all? Has he actually pushed any lynches? Look at his scum play in the previous TL normal game that ran. He is much more willing to lurk and not provide any opinions on the main lynch candidates.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
Why would we lynch chaos when we have good analysis against 3 players right now? Anyone who is proposing we lynch chaos is only further distracting the town and trying to divert attention away from the matter at hand. Make your case tonight/tomorrow, it's too late now. Don't hurt the town. I do think we have time to push the chaos13 lynch. He's catching up with the others quite fast, and I think he's a better option than all the others.
You are providing a huge distraction to the town. You're almost helping the mafia by splitting up the votes like this. I don't care if you don't like the prospects, you spent all day doing nothing about the people who were the top candidates, don't pansy out now. At the time, I didn't like either of the 1st day candidates but I sucked it up and voted rather than push for a last minute switch against my favorite candidate (Mig).
I think most everyone agrees that at least one person of the 3 (Mig, hiro, xtfftc) is mafia. To ignore that is asking to get lynched/shot. We have 3 people who we have good analysis for, who have spent time defending themselves. To toss all of that out the window at the last second could not be more anti-town.
Not to mention, when either of these flip we have good leads. If Mig is mafia I have an incredible lead on his team (Dropbear confirmed the link between Mig and other players in the game) so I'm not bluffing. People have pointed out the connections between hiro/xtfftc and other players. Where does chaos13 fit in? No where. Take your garbage somewhere else.
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So I was pretty happy with the situation about 10 pages ago. Mig and xtfffffffffffftc were basically on my scumdar all game long. Then DB claimed. I believe the chance that he did what he did as a real Medic is so small that it can be ignored. There is absolutely no reason to do that. He knows this and quickly tells everyone to just ignore the claim and go back to other suspects. AKA RAYZOR? Nonono. His fake claims were made with the very specific intention of killing Mig and supersoft. But after he realises that he fucked up he says we should go back to rayzor and xtfftc? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. This guy HAS to be scum. I really can't see any other scenario where he is town.
My first impulse was to lynch him immediately. So I can see where hiro came from. After thinking about it more I still think DB is the best lynch. Therefore hiro wasn't scummy for proposing that lynch in my opinion as has been suggested by most. Then he posts this:
On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.
And herp derp he must be scum. I thought, "He probably thought his scumbuddy DB was outted with the lies and will definitely die. Better get in there early for some town cred. Oh they don't want to lynch him, let me get off this shit ASAP." He really did drop it fast. And then he removes future accountability by saying he's just going to sheep. scummy scum scum post. In his later posts he still maintains that he thinks DB is scum, but he shows no conviction in trying to push it. I don't know what to make of that. Now he's on to new random targets...
Atm I think DB is the scummiest by FAR. Is there really no way he is getting lynched tonight?
2nd is xtfcfcfcfc.
DB's actions have made me less suspicious of Mig. But as we don't know DB's alignment for sure yet, Mig's gameplay so far still leaves him pretty scummy. He literally only started playing when he was the leading candidate for the lynch.
I didn't consider hiro until recently. I would rather lynch xtffcfcfc before hiro. Is there a vote count up somewhere? Who are realistic options? I am going to make my vote soon and then go to bed (2am here) so I wont be able to switch to ensure a lynch near deadline.
Seriously though, how can anyone believe DB's claim even for a second?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:02 hiro protagonist wrote:On August 24 2011 08:58 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now... Your team is aiming for a no lynch. So your calling me, mig, and Palmar all scum? Im afraid its your team that is pushing for a mislynch. Your logic is terrible. but thats your intent, am I right?. You have done nothing all game that is protown, and it shows badly. Everyone is able to spit words and say how x done y , I want evidence . Also dont put words in my mouth scum . Why would supersoft and Palmar try so hard to avoid You get lynched , huh ? Sixth sense ? Chaos 13 case is just a lurker lynch . We could lynch lucidity same way . But we are not going to do that , we are lynching scum , not lurkers . As many games have shown , scum rarely lurk hardcore unless they are bad .
This needs to be resaid because Kurumi is absolutely right.
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On August 24 2011 09:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:02 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
Why would we lynch chaos when we have good analysis against 3 players right now? Anyone who is proposing we lynch chaos is only further distracting the town and trying to divert attention away from the matter at hand. Make your case tonight/tomorrow, it's too late now. Don't hurt the town. I do think we have time to push the chaos13 lynch. He's catching up with the others quite fast, and I think he's a better option than all the others. You are providing a huge distraction to the town. You're almost helping the mafia by splitting up the votes like this. I don't care if you don't like the prospects, you spent all day doing nothing about the people who were the top candidates, don't pansy out now. At the time, I didn't like either of the 1st day candidates but I sucked it up and voted rather than push for a last minute switch against my favorite candidate (Mig). I think most everyone agrees that at least one person of the 3 (Mig, hiro, xtfftc) is mafia. To ignore that is asking to get lynched/shot. We have 3 people who we have good analysis for, who have spent time defending themselves. To toss all of that out the window at the last second could not be more anti-town. Not to mention, when either of these flip we have good leads. If Mig is mafia I have an incredible lead on his team (Dropbear confirmed the link between Mig and other players in the game) so I'm not bluffing. People have pointed out the connections between hiro/xtfftc and other players. Where does chaos13 fit in? No where. Take your garbage somewhere else.
Trying to get a player lynched because I like him as scum is not anti-town. It would be if I just went afk, but I'm not going afk until I either abandon this attempt, or successfully pull it off. I hope everyone who is town aligned does the same.
Mig is the person I'll be voting for if this switch to chaos13 fails. I didn't like sevryn on day 1 either, but I voted for him because we need the lynches. I will do the same again, but I'm going to try to do the right thing first.
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On August 24 2011 09:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:02 hiro protagonist wrote:On August 24 2011 08:58 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now... Your team is aiming for a no lynch. So your calling me, mig, and Palmar all scum? Im afraid its your team that is pushing for a mislynch. Your logic is terrible. but thats your intent, am I right?. You have done nothing all game that is protown, and it shows badly. Everyone is able to spit words and say how x done y , I want evidence . Also dont put words in my mouth scum . Why would supersoft and Palmar try so hard to avoid You get lynched , huh ? Sixth sense ? Chaos 13 case is just a lurker lynch . We could lynch lucidity same way . But we are not going to do that , we are lynching scum , not lurkers . As many games have shown , scum rarely lurk hardcore unless they are bad .
umad?
your bad logic continues to show itself. supersoft and palmar dont want my lynch cus they think Im town. Palmar thinks chaos is a better lynch and I agree. there both gonna switch back if we cant lynch chaos.
also the bold part is exactly why lynch chaos is a good idea.
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On August 24 2011 08:44 Palmar wrote:
actually, I was going to bed, I'm going to write a case on chaos13. please take the time to read his posts through.
Let's not fuck this up again, let's lynch chaos13.
What
in
the
world.
Oh
my.
2 hours before deadline and most of EU asleep? NICE PLAN?
Also when I wrote my post we were still on 65. Way to spam.
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My main argument against chaos is just that he used very poor logic to attack palmar early on. Chaos is good enough he should have been able to see how palmar's tunneling had benefited the town. Yet instead he tried to turn it around to discredit and attack palmar. It's out of character for him.
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On August 24 2011 09:14 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 08:44 Palmar wrote:
actually, I was going to bed, I'm going to write a case on chaos13. please take the time to read his posts through.
Let's not fuck this up again, let's lynch chaos13. What in the world. Oh my. 2 hours before deadline and most of EU asleep? NICE PLAN? Also when I wrote my post we were still on 65. Way to spam.
Yes, I just wasn't around to re-read the thread properly earlier, it sucks, I'm seeing where we can take this.
If this fails, Mig should probably hang.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you.
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Oh, chaos is good lynch because he will flip town ? Not for me , because You see, I am town . Trying to switch the votes AGAIN , which in this case leaves us with a no lynch .
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On August 24 2011 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you.
I'm fine with that.
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Palmar never was so wishy washy and overly aggressive, the gambit You are trying to perform might work . I hope not to be honest . I want red blood this day to come out instead of a no lynch .
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On August 24 2011 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you.
this is bad logic. vote for scum. your trying to discredit and blame. also, you where all for switching to razorflash on day one? and you even said it was worth a shot. now its not? what gives?
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A no lynch isn't going to happen. There is still almost 2 hours left and most of the votes are between me/hiro. If the switch to chaos doesn't happen people will switch back to me/hiro. Nobody is gonna switch to xttf he has 2 votes right now.
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