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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 23 2011 13:16 GMT
#1101
I want to see DB flavortext. Why didn't he post it in the first place. I want to see it fast!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 23 2011 13:16 GMT
#1102
On August 23 2011 22:15 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 22:11 Palmar wrote:
Millers do not know they are millers.


How do you know this?

Are Millers/Nosy Neighbors told they are such?


Because that's how millers always work.
Computer says mafia
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 13:19 GMT
#1103
On August 23 2011 22:16 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 22:15 Curu wrote:
On August 23 2011 22:11 Palmar wrote:
Millers do not know they are millers.


How do you know this?

Are Millers/Nosy Neighbors told they are such?


Because that's how millers always work.


Wasn't obvious to me.
wat
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 23 2011 13:21 GMT
#1104
On August 23 2011 22:16 supersoft wrote:
I want to see DB flavortext. Why didn't he post it in the first place. I want to see it fast!


Whats a flavortext?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 23 2011 13:24 GMT
#1105
So this comes at a convinient time by the way
The attention just got drawn from everyone supsected except DB and we focus on someone whom I thought of as a townie. Did anyone think of supersoft as being anything but Town?
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 23 2011 13:26 GMT
#1106
On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:

I really don't like this post by Jackal:

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:

Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me

Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.

Explain please.


Coinflip sure, but why Mig? If Town he is undoubtedly the stronger player than Vain. Mig had actually tried to start something about chaoser earlier, whereas Vain jumped in with an absolutely nonsensical post that was complete flip-floppery over Sevyrn/Rayzor yet conveniently landed his vote on Sevyrn and disappeared. He has also shown no interest or contributing or scumhunting, only in defending himself. Vain for sure looked worse than Mig and Mig is for sure the more dangerous player against Mafia. Yet you chose to put your votes on Mig when there was a wagon building up on him from Foolishness/chaoser rather than pursuing Vain. Can you explain this more?

Who the hell scares you more as scum? Mig? Or Vain? I had issues with both. I asked the same question of both. I'm still undecided on both.

DB vs SS
Lynch SS. If he is not what DB presents him as we lynch DB. It's a 1 for 1 trade. Scum don't like 1 for 1 trades.I don't know why there is any issue with this. Inspite of Barundars best Ace impersonation lynching the DT first is stupid.

Errandorr - Flavor text is the storyline in your role PM. Instead of - You are townie, you get a story.

Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 23 2011 13:27 GMT
#1107
On August 23 2011 22:24 Erandorr wrote:
So this comes at a convinient time by the way
The attention just got drawn from everyone supsected except DB and we focus on someone whom I thought of as a townie. Did anyone think of supersoft as being anything but Town?

Supersoft was on my questionable character list. And no I'm not sharing.
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 23 2011 13:27 GMT
#1108
DropBear claims DT and points at supersoft as scum:

There are quite a few things missing and I'm still trying to make sure how to interpret them. Maybe DropBear will be so kind as to provide answers or explanations where applicable.

a) DropBear never once even mentioned Supersoft's name before he claimed the check. Normal play for DT would suggest you immediately start planting it in your posts that your red check is scum after receiving the results, this is done in case you get killed.

b) I have no idea why DB decided to claim the role to out a relatively new scum player. His weight could easily have pushed the vote towards Mig, someone DB apparently considers a fair lynch too. It just seems like DB is playing DT very sub-optimally.

c) The timing of the claim is weird, why not just post it right at the start of the day if he was going to do it anyway. Votes were happily piling on Mig, just breadcrumb your results and check another day.

d) Why on earth would he check Supersoft? I think the obvious DT checks would be the more experienced and outspoken players, or the lurkers. Supersoft has been very enthusiastic in the thread so far, and definitely not afraid to speak his mind. I was getting a pretty townie feel from him overall.

e) Why do you feel the need to push your DT check with an analysis? Like... You know he's red, and you just told everyone else. Isn't that enough?

f) why the hell would you not immediately demand town lynches Supersoft when you claim?

But to be completely fair there are several points that also need considering, and those work in DB's favour.

a) This whole thing seems too elaborate to be manufactured. If DB wanted to simply frame someone red in a trade, he'd probably pick someone perceived as more dangerous to the scum team, or he'd just fake a dt check on some heavy candidate.

b) Supersoft does have some questionable content in his posts.
Computer says mafia
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 13:28 GMT
#1109
On August 23 2011 22:26 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:

I really don't like this post by Jackal:

On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:

Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me

Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.

Explain please.


Coinflip sure, but why Mig? If Town he is undoubtedly the stronger player than Vain. Mig had actually tried to start something about chaoser earlier, whereas Vain jumped in with an absolutely nonsensical post that was complete flip-floppery over Sevyrn/Rayzor yet conveniently landed his vote on Sevyrn and disappeared. He has also shown no interest or contributing or scumhunting, only in defending himself. Vain for sure looked worse than Mig and Mig is for sure the more dangerous player against Mafia. Yet you chose to put your votes on Mig when there was a wagon building up on him from Foolishness/chaoser rather than pursuing Vain. Can you explain this more?

Who the hell scares you more as scum? Mig? Or Vain? I had issues with both. I asked the same question of both. I'm still undecided on both.

DB vs SS
Lynch SS. If he is not what DB presents him as we lynch DB. It's a 1 for 1 trade. Scum don't like 1 for 1 trades.I don't know why there is any issue with this. Inspite of Barundars best Ace impersonation lynching the DT first is stupid.

Errandorr - Flavor text is the storyline in your role PM. Instead of - You are townie, you get a story.



Vain does. I've said many times that Mig's meta is godawful for Mafia, he has to bus his teammates and make quality posts or he gets shot into the spotlight. Think of Vain like Kenpachi, no one expects him to do anything relevant and he flies under the radar. That scares me much more than someone who has to constantly post and contribute.
wat
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 23 2011 13:34 GMT
#1110
well, I can't defend myself against this. All I can do is point out, that I am green and either Miller or framed. I don't think DB is scum. A 1n1 trade is just stupid right now...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 23 2011 13:35 GMT
#1111
But I still want to see his flavortext. I want to see it asap because I don't want GM to write it for him.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 23 2011 13:40 GMT
#1112
On August 23 2011 22:35 supersoft wrote:
But I still want to see his flavortext. I want to see it asap because I don't want GM to write it for him.

I'll support this. Post it up DB. It's not like you're not already fucked if you really are a DT.

And Curu we have different fears I suppose.
Life can only kill you once.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 23 2011 13:52 GMT
#1113
Inquisitor (Detective) - sent by the ordo malleus, you are a specialist in sniffing out the forces of darkness and then consecrating them to the holy flame. Every night you may investigate someone, finding out their alignment, either guilty or innocent. You are not necessarily the most stable individual, due to the horrors you have been exposed to your perception of reality may have been wrapped, you can be either sane, insane, paranoid or naive.

... okay i have to correct myself:


On August 23 2011 22:02 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:
Well, all aboard the supersoft wagon.


what the fuck, will you please think over that for a second?
Whats a claimed DT check worth in a game with framers and Millers?
There are like 4 possibilities:

I am red and he's a DT
I am green and he's red
I am Miller and he's DT
I am green and framed and he's DT

If you hang me and i flip green you won't even have any informations about DB.

Read over nards and xtfftcs posts. They are both scum.


there are more than 4 possibilitys. He could be insane and every check returns guilty.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 23 2011 14:04 GMT
#1114
yeah DB needs to post his flavour immediately
Computer says mafia
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 23 2011 14:05 GMT
#1115
I'm not buying the DT claim. DT's have a tendency of reading their role description way closer than anyone else, and their first concern would be to confirm their own sanity, not getting some other guy, who seemed loosely connected, lynched.

Add to that DB had plenty of time to try and wiggle out of a lynch without claiming. It just doesn't add up for me.
Bartundar
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 23 2011 14:07 GMT
#1116
DB i will just ask you. Why on earth did you claim now? What where your intentions behind it
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 23 2011 14:07 GMT
#1117
DB did not even mention the possibility of him being insane/paranoid. This is weird.
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 23 2011 14:16 GMT
#1118
Sanity DTs.. Wouldn't You check the guy who's likely getting lynched next day so You can know something about Yourself?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#1119
I have never played with insane dts before. Does anyone know in your role pm would it talk about the possibility of you being insane? I can maybe buy that db just didn't read the op but if its in the role pm it seems impossible that he wouldn't have known about it.

The fact that there are insane dts makes it 100x better for mafia to fake claim. When the lynch goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and be like ah oops must be insane/paranoid.

But I really don't see the motivation behind fake claiming right now unless he thought he was going to be lynched but he only had 1 vote on him.
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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 23 2011 14:23 GMT
#1120
But his logic is so weird. Why not investigate Mig, get him lynched and then go after Supersoft with all the stuff he noticed
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