EPTI'll make it clearer - if we end up lynching you and you flip DT, Chaoser is next. But I'm not comfortable with either for tonight.
Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT.
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Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. | ||
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What is this? Giving advice to the mafia as to why they should not kill him? Surely if he believes that this is what's best for town; he wouldn't explain it to them why they should kill someone else. Look at the time stamp. I wrote that at 11:11. The cycle had already ended so I was merely expressing/responding back to wherebugsgo On August 31 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I guess the good news is that, at most, only 2 of us can die I semi expected to die and so I wrote a throw-away line. Too many coincidences. 3 DTs in the game with some many blues dead already; checking Vain the night BB framed him; not being attacked both nights after claiming; being roleblocked only the second night*. He checked Kurumi but he didn't indicate that he was suspicious of Kurumi at all beforehand. The one Chaoser indicated as suspicious was VisceraEyes but he did not check him. Like I said previously about Vain check: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=110#2199 That is literally the only coincidence. You should go check what that word means cause you're using it wrong. Not being attacked by mafia is WIFOM, not coincidence. I didn't understand why I wasn't roleblocked the first night either but the way I reasoned it out is this: Mafia just lost nard to a watcher. They were down to 2 KP and had no idea what types of blues were out there. To double stack me if there was another watcher would basically mean losing 2 more mafia just like that. Roleblocking me would lead to 1 mafia being outted by a watcher. When they saw that a DT and tracker died that night, they realized there probably isn't another watcher so they roleblocked me the second night. I checked kurumi due to his previous palmer shot claim. At first I thought he wasn't that scummy but then after rereading I became a little more unsure so I checked him. I don't see how that's "unusual". Aside from this, how would you explain my major day one case against mig? I kept at it for two days with foolishness. Are you saying that I bussed one of my teammates hardcore knowing that they'd survive to past day 1? You still haven't answered my questions: Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. | ||
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On September 05 2011 01:23 Navillus wrote: So was chaoser ever confirmed as DT and if so how? I'm looking through stuff but I can't find it and I'm seeing very little discussion on what seems like it would have been a rather important claim. I was never confirmed as a DT because the only real way to be 100% confirmed is to die. My "confirmation" only comes from the fact that 1) I pushed for mig's lynch from day 1 2) foolishness said he read through every one of my past games and thought I was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=50#1000 and 3) My play so far has been "pro-town". Barundar caught wherebugsgo's last post and I reasoned and then argued with a few people that it's best to lynch bum because that gives us info on vain. (Vain btw is probably confirmed if you trust my check on him since I checked him, got red, and bum visited/framed him.) | ||
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On September 05 2011 01:39 Lucidity wrote: DTs are suppose to check people they're unsure about, at that point and time I already thought you mafia so there was no point to a check on you? Wait, what? [/QUOTE] I might have misworded what I meant. Since it's late game now, it's important to find the mafia that are lurking. So I was checked kurumi because I had no idea what to think of him. Basically I first thought, earlier in the game, that he wasn't that suspicious, but then later, after reading the thread and rereading his posts, became suspicious. This back and forth of my reads on him confused me and so I decided to check him to settle the confusion. wherebugsgo sums it up well here: I didn't really think anything of kurumi until his claim. However, if you look at all his posts/actions, the only thing of significance is that he vigged Palmar. There is no way to discern whether he is a scum vig or a town vig. Since there was no way for me to discern whether he was scum vig or town vig, I checked him. Pyo's claim along with his statements in terms of voting and his actions all gave me something to work with and so kurumi was a better check option over pyo. I'd rather lynch Rayzor or Navillus tonight - unless they post something intriguing by then. Could you share your thoughts on Rayzor, Chaoser? You've mentioned him a few times as an issue, yet never explained why or checked him. I actually think navillus is townie BECAUSE of his vote today on bumatlarge. If he was mafia he'd be a lot more informed since he has teammates and wouldn't have made that big a blunder. Once again though, that's WIFOM so take from it what you will. For rayzor, it's his first mafia game. A lot of his actions feel like noob town to me. I had a null tell on him and I was actually checking his last night but sadly got blocked. If you want to know my three mafia reads it's : Pyo, errandor, and VE. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=50#1000 As you can see, I lead that one, foolishness quoted and followed. | ||
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If chaoser doesnt die tonight, I stand entirely by my stance and fully want to see him lynched and flip red.... If he does die tonight, I'll analyze after the post and see who I'll vote for, lol Who says something like this? Mafia. If you're mafia, obviously you have control over who dies and who doesn't. Obviously you're not going to kill me and then try to lead a mislynch on that. Since it's LYLO you only need the one. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:26 RayzorFlash wrote: Curu, I've never soft or hard defended anyone at all the entire game, especially not chaoser... I was suspicious of him since his claim, and was the first person to openly worry about his claim not being all it seems If chaoser doesnt die tonight, I stand entirely by my stance and fully want to see him lynched and flip red.... If he does die tonight, I'll analyze after the post and see who I'll vote for, lol As mafia you have control over who dies, so you would just not kill me and push my lynch, justifying it as me being mafia when really, even if a townie said this, mafia wouldn't kill me. It's basically saying nothing since from the moment it was LYLO mafia would keep me alive, as was their plan since they realized there are probably no watchers left and neutralized me via roleblock. | ||
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Random Note: The QT GMarshal posted for Night 5 was from the other game I fake claimed DT | ||
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On September 08 2011 12:08 Curu wrote: lol right after Varpulis died you should've been turbolynched. The timing of the claim, how the claim was presented, and the voting for Vain because "I caught him" after a confirmed Watcher said nard was guilty was pretty suspect already, Town should've realized there was no way there would be 2 sane DTs, a Watcher, a Tracker, 2 Vigs, and a Medic (xt hadn't died yet at that time). chaoser also accidentally didn't claim a block the night right after his claim, which some people actually caught on to. Every external party I talked to on Skype figured out I was scum cause I just went along with chaoser's claim without doubting it lol. chaoser also accidentally didn't claim a block the night right after his claim, which some people actually caught on to. It wasn't an accident...you notice how EVERYONE included kurumi in their scum list during the final day? It was backup for if I ever get lynched, Kurumi would be next. It didn't matter if there were three modkills or not. Pyo would have been lynched, bringing it to LYLO and then I would get lynched, and then kurumi would get lynched. We win. EZPZ | ||
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Unfortunately, there was absolutely no way for me to convince anyone of it. Well done to mafia for setting it up, but ultimately it was towns stupidity that won the game for mafia. Town is WAAAYYYY too dependent on blue powers. Using TL Mafia Meta to win the game! YAYYYY. Yes I did plan for a fake blue claim since day one. That's why I bussed mig. In TL Mafia games, person with some town cred+blue claim=amazingly hard to convince people to lynch =] | ||
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Also part of my mistake was not making it clear that I felt chaoser was suspicious and that he was linked to you; it seemed weird that you would frame vain on the same night he supposedly checked him. I was going to make it very explicit that, if chaoser lived, he would be mafia .Ok I didn't understand this logic...this is how a framer is SUPPOSE to work, they're hoping for a DT check on the person they framed. How is that weird? | ||
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