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chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 03 2011 02:39 GMT
#2180
lol miller

Good luck town. Lynch scum.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 04 2011 19:26 GMT
#2251
On September 05 2011 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:


chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 02:12 GMT
#2350
chaos13
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Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 02:55 GMT
#2355
GG mafia, you played well. Wish I had pushed harder against chaoser's fake claim, but all it would have accomplished was getting me lynched. If I recall even the little bit I did got me suspicion from one person.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 03:05 GMT
#2360
On September 08 2011 12:03 chaoser wrote:
Fake Claiming DT is OP, as both mafia and as town. Nerf that shit please.

Random Note: The QT GMarshal posted for Night 5 was from the other game I fake claimed DT


Ban fake claiming DT.

All the real DT's claim.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 11:49 GMT
#2394
On September 08 2011 14:53 Palmar wrote:
Curu scumslipped like a boss and no one noticed but me, thankfully mafia had Kurumi on their side. I guess I have been spoiled by playing with good town players who bother to work for their victory instead of expecting to be carried, and thus I thought it didn't matter how I acted, because people would most certainly be able to tell the difference anyway.

This was not the case during this game, people were stuck with their heads up their asses and did not want to read objectively, and thus it's my own failure not to adapt my play to the bad logic that worked with this town.

Here is the list I wrote on day 2, remember that later during the day foolishness and dropbear got "confirmed"

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdHZoc05pSE9neVFWOWU2RTVYWWpBRmc&output=html

But this game was different, people simply did not want to work for it, and I completely failed to adapt my playstyle to this much more naive town than before.


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On August 24 2011 07:47 Palmar wrote:
On August 24 2011 07:44 Curu wrote:
I'm kind of glad I never had to play Town with you past day 1 before this. You are ridiculously stubborn and annoying to deal with.


I form opinions, and I then try to objectively read the thread after that, but it's hard. I'm not afraid of being wrong, and I've quite often been right. Maybe this is the game where I'm wrong on all accounts, but I expect others to be able to pick that up.

Also, why do you basically declare me town? Do you know my alignment?


The only person on town's side that had decent reads early was Foolishness, other people like xtf and wbg played alright-ish once they got the chance to pull their heads out of their asses, but that was just too late.

Personally I have a huge issue with people who seemingly don't care enough to put any thought into their playing. I had major confusion issues with chaos13 this game, because I couldn't simply write off his terrible reads as nooby, because he's not a noob, he's actually pretty good at this game, but this game everything was so off I simply couldn't imagine any other reason but him being wrong intentionally, while the truth was he simply failed to read the thread.

I'm going to bold this, because I failed to do this once when I was a newbie, and you all need to learn this lesson.

Whenever a townie dies or gets confirmed, especially through a lynch or vig shot, re-read the entire thread with this new information in hand.

Foolishness died and had so many nuggets of wisdom. I died and left you with basically the entire mafia team uncovered, but still you lynched people who were obviously not scum. It's so important to read the thread and not focus on looking for "scummy things" or "scumtells". That's what gets uncareful townies lynched, like Hiro and Sevryn. Anyone should've been able to tell they were town, it is how I initially pinned Curu as scum, he's very good at mafia and thus couldn't possibly think the Hiro and Sevryn lynches were good ideas. It was also the case against Mig.

This game is just the pinnacle of what happens when you mix pride with lazyness, you end up with a shitty, shitty town that's unable to do anything constructive. On day one we had a mafia against the wall, but we lynched a very, very obvious townie (like, what mafia would so blatantly bandwagon me?) because I was too proud to change my approach, and town was too proud and lazy to listen to my arguments and actually read Sevryn's posts and deduce the mindset he was in when he made those.

Thing is, I'll admit it, I'm getting more lazy with posting in a political way, by now I expect people to just listen to what I say, when I'm town and they do it usually ends up very well for town, but sometimes people just don't, and it's hard having to convince the same people every game. Some of us are just never going to be any useful anyway, VisceraEyes has almost never had a correct read, yet he seems unwilling to step back and reassess his approach. Kurumi is a troublemaker in his own, and giving him a gun was the worst thing that could happen to town. chaos13 has been having a streak of terrible reads (cosmic horror, xliv etc) but he'll bounce back once he lets go of his pride, because he's actually good.

I think both xtf and wbg have the potential to be good players, same with supersoft, and if hiro protagonist plays town like this again he can easily elevate himself to a good player too.

And then there's of course balance to consider, with DropBear and chaos13 derping like mad, who were supposed to be some of town's best and most experienced players there was very little to work with for town.

Mafia had 4 really good players, Curu, Mig, BrownBear and chaoser, while town really only had three, Jackal, Foolishness and me.

Anyway, I guess this game can act as a collective lesson to us all. So many new or new-ish people got their first taste of being completely fucking wrong time and time again this game, so I hope it allows them to break down and re-build their approach to play better mafia in the future, loads of fairly new players in this game that can go on to be good.

As for myself, I'll never again take being listened to for granted, I thought Foolishness's "If Palmar is mafia he's on drugs" would be enough, but again, head in ass syndrome ruined reads for town. Whenever someone like Foolishness says something like that, and then becomes confirmed, people better fucking listen.

Well played mafia, and again, sorry for my own performance this game.

GG



The timing of this game (and the last few) coincided with a few issues in my life, as well as being very busy at work, so I wasn't quite prepared for it, and I really do apologize for both my play in this game and my disrespect towards you. I just didn't have the time or motivation to be doing more than skimming until around the time I died unfortunately.

With that said, I still have an issue with your play style this game - it was spammy as hell. Now that the game is over and I'm able to look at it from a more objective perspective, I can see a little more easily how it works, but I still feel it causes more problems than it solves. When the entire town is making random accusations and jumping on bandwagons, mafia can feel free to do the same without fear of any repercussions. Not only that, but posts without real content become the norm, and proper analysis starts to disappear. In a situation like this I suppose it is up to myself individually to ignore all that and not become part of it, but I allowed myself to become irritated and my play suffered greatly as a result.

Regardless of the beginnings of my newfound understanding, I don't quite see how an atmosphere like this really benefits the town. How is this better than a game where everyone is calm, logical, and analytical, doesn't spam, and pays complete attention to scumhunting?
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