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Foolishness
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On August 23 2011 14:14 Mig wrote:
Btw foolish if you were mafia who would you have shot last night?
Myself/chaoser/palmar/BB all had votes and suspicions placed on them. You were one of the only vets who wasn't suspected. I think you probably take a shot almost every night unless the mafia were afraid of you being protected.
And I understand that you are just using being shot as a small part of why I am mafia but the fact that you are using it at all shows how weak your case against me is because realistically there is virtually no connection there.
I'm pretty sure one person said something nasty about me. Although I might be confusing whoever it was with chaos13 today.
There is a connection; as you said it's a small one. You're not looking at the big picture. I could take one small piece of your argument against DropBear and rip it to shreds if I wanted (I already pointed out one minor detail). As a whole your argument is sound; DropBear has not been posting with the town's interest in mind, he flat out does not seem to care at all, and he's conveniently missing a lot (not just because of time difference either).
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Foolishness
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On August 23 2011 14:34 Mig wrote:
Right I understand it is just part of your overall case, but my point is I don't really think it even connects me. I mean if you were one of the mafia who would you have shot? I have a hard time believing you wouldn't have shot yourself.
So if I take that out completely I am left with just your meta arguments. Which basically consist of me not posting with enough confidence, except for my first attack on sevryn which was too confident?
Right now you seem dead set on tunneling me with a much weaker case than the one against dropbear just because you are suspicious of me. If palmar/chaoser had posted against db I think you would be a lot more open to it.
No I'm pretty open to it. It's just right now I believe you are the best lynch. The bandwagon on xtfftc is too easy (surely you can admit to that as well). I'm definitely for killing the bear (although you should have chosen the other bear).
If you are town I'm a bit confused on why the bandwagon isn't on you. You're a reliable player surely getting you lynched is much preferable over xtfftc (assuming he's town). It's pretty simple, at the beginning of the day all they had to do was post "Foolishness is probably town, we can trust his judgment, Vote Mig". Strangely enough two people did do that, DropBear and Varpulis (the others all are active and/or gave reasoning). Varpulis gave reasoning but it wasn't much. I believe he's town at this point but I could probably be convinced otherwise; his track record isn't the greatest.
So why aren't you on the chopping block then? I was hoping to save this information for later but there are a few notable people who have diverted attention away from the accusations against you (both yesterday and today). Surely if the mafia was competent they wouldn't let one of their own get lynched this early in the game.
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Foolishness
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Well RayzorFlash is certainly mafia so I'll totally back DB up here.
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On August 24 2011 03:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 03:44 Foolishness wrote:
Well RayzorFlash is certainly mafia so I'll totally back DB up here. You were uncertain before. Why the change of heart?
He's one of the people that has diverted attention away from the case against Mig.
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Foolishness
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On August 24 2011 04:15 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. This post reeks of scum.
Finally someone else notices about this guy
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Foolishness
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Since DropBear is pulling a Coagulation, we can just leave him alone for now. If he really is medic (which I believe him to be) then the mafia will just kill him in the following nights. If he is mafia, then he will still be alive after a few days, in which we would reevaluate the case against him.
We need to figure out who we're lynching now. You all know what I think, but tossing random votes on DropBear or supersoft is not going to help the town.
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On August 24 2011 04:37 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:28 Foolishness wrote:
Since DropBear is pulling a Coagulation, we can just leave him alone for now. If he really is medic (which I believe him to be) then the mafia will just kill him in the following nights. If he is mafia, then he will still be alive after a few days, in which we would reevaluate the case against him.
We need to figure out who we're lynching now. You all know what I think, but tossing random votes on DropBear or supersoft is not going to help the town. No, Mafia would be pleased as punch to let him live out the night. They love the WIFOM that it creates. DropBear is the best lynch right now. His death will shead some light on your alignment, as well as show that Mig might not be to far off of his usually good scumhunting powers.
They love having a medic around that's going to make them waste another hit to kill me? I'm not sure I follow
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Foolishness
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I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1.
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On August 24 2011 04:59 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote:
I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1. And that tells us what exactly?
Mafia very frequently kill those who are suspicious of them day 1. Quicksilver made a solid post against him if I remember correctly.
No, before someone chimes in about my first sentence, I'm not basing an accusation of him based off that. Nor am I using that as sufficient proof that hiro is mafia. I'm pointing out the facts.
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Foolishness
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Why would we lynch chaos when we have good analysis against 3 players right now? Anyone who is proposing we lynch chaos is only further distracting the town and trying to divert attention away from the matter at hand. Make your case tonight/tomorrow, it's too late now. Don't hurt the town.
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Foolishness
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On August 24 2011 09:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
Why would we lynch chaos when we have good analysis against 3 players right now? Anyone who is proposing we lynch chaos is only further distracting the town and trying to divert attention away from the matter at hand. Make your case tonight/tomorrow, it's too late now. Don't hurt the town. I do think we have time to push the chaos13 lynch. He's catching up with the others quite fast, and I think he's a better option than all the others.
You are providing a huge distraction to the town. You're almost helping the mafia by splitting up the votes like this. I don't care if you don't like the prospects, you spent all day doing nothing about the people who were the top candidates, don't pansy out now. At the time, I didn't like either of the 1st day candidates but I sucked it up and voted rather than push for a last minute switch against my favorite candidate (Mig).
I think most everyone agrees that at least one person of the 3 (Mig, hiro, xtfftc) is mafia. To ignore that is asking to get lynched/shot. We have 3 people who we have good analysis for, who have spent time defending themselves. To toss all of that out the window at the last second could not be more anti-town.
Not to mention, when either of these flip we have good leads. If Mig is mafia I have an incredible lead on his team (Dropbear confirmed the link between Mig and other players in the game) so I'm not bluffing. People have pointed out the connections between hiro/xtfftc and other players. Where does chaos13 fit in? No where. Take your garbage somewhere else.
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Foolishness
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On August 24 2011 09:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:02 hiro protagonist wrote:On August 24 2011 08:58 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2011 08:56 hiro protagonist wrote:
bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now... Your team is aiming for a no lynch. So your calling me, mig, and Palmar all scum? Im afraid its your team that is pushing for a mislynch. Your logic is terrible. but thats your intent, am I right?. You have done nothing all game that is protown, and it shows badly. Everyone is able to spit words and say how x done y , I want evidence . Also dont put words in my mouth scum . Why would supersoft and Palmar try so hard to avoid You get lynched , huh ? Sixth sense ? Chaos 13 case is just a lurker lynch . We could lynch lucidity same way . But we are not going to do that , we are lynching scum , not lurkers . As many games have shown , scum rarely lurk hardcore unless they are bad .
This needs to be resaid because Kurumi is absolutely right.
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Foolishness
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So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you.
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Foolishness
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On August 24 2011 09:20 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you. this is bad logic. vote for scum. your trying to discredit and blame. also, you where all for switching to razorflash on day one? and you even said it was worth a shot. now its not? what gives?
Because it was day 1, and there was really only 1 lynch target: Sevryn. If you didn't like lynching Sevryn then it was too bad because he was the only real candidate. Today is different because it's day 2, we have more information, and 3 solid candidates. By solid I mean we've spent time discussing and analyzing them. Why would we discredit all the analysis to lynch a semi-lurker last minute?
We should be spending our last 2 hours (1.5 now) debating between hiro and Mig (as someone said xtfftc does not have enough votes at the moment). Instead we have to deal with random switches to kill semi-lurkers and we'll have to listen to chaos13's defense when he comes back. Waste of time. Based on what happened yesterday, I doubt there's even enough people here to get him lynched even if he roleclaimed mafia. There simply is not enough people here.
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Foolishness
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Kurumi is absolutely right again.
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Well this turned out unexpected for me.
I still want to kill Mig lololol
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I changed my vote to Hiro
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With the exception of BrownBear and maybe Pyo, I'm 98% confident that everyone who has posted from page 74 to here is town.
Seriously, mafia are usually afk at nighttime. When have you ever seen mafia blatantly arguing with town like you guys are? Why should they choose to be out in the open arguing with you all when they can just go afk and let it blow over? If Palmar suddenly disappeared you would notice for a while then forget all about him as you go to lynch supersoft. Don't even try to deny it.
The lurker list is huge this game. You guys are providing a horrible atmosphere to the town. Although I guess through this you've all pretty much confirmed each other as town (except BrownBear obviously). If you're all writing angry posts you definitely are not thinking clearly and thus your judgment is null. Gee you lynched a townie who was pretty suspicious. Oh well move on and learn from it. Have you guys even reread Hiro's posts and see who he was having conversations with? Lay off each other and think for yourselves. I thought Hiro was mafia from the beginning of the day because he's one of the people that fell into my trap. Instead of trying to get your post count up why don't you try to learn from our mistake and see if we can get any leads based on Hiro's posting.
If anyone is just reading this, don't read pages 74 through 77. I've seen less bantering and more logical arguments in the general forum. I'm almost happy I'm going to be dying tonight because this is just ridiculous.
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Foolishness
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On August 25 2011 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Foolishness I'd like your thoughts on Palmar please.
I stated above that I'm sure anyone who's posting around now is town (exception of our favorite colored bear poster). I believe I said earlier in the game (day 1) that I thought he was town as well. He's too aggressive in his posting to be mafia. When he's mafia he has the "blend-in" posts which for him consists of two paragraphs where he doesn't use the word 'fuck' or aggressively say anything. Like this from PTP2:
On July 27 2011 01:59 Palmar wrote:
By the way, just for reference, Fishball claimed cop in CCM, and he was in no way confirmed, but in that game BC was willing to lie, because he was convinced that Fishball was telling the truth. He was willing to falsely confirm a cop claim he believed, because that's how much he trusted Fishball's claim.
I just have no idea how this does even fly, and the constant threats that anyone who votes for you will be held accountable. I'll be the first person to be held accountable for you, I want you checked, or dead.
His willingness to flat out argue in the thread (like he's doing now) just does not seem reasonable for mafia. When he's mafia, he'll call people stupid and say 'fuck', but I've never seen him get into a long argument like he is doing now.
But you know his attitude is so detrimental to the town right now you might as well kill him if he keeps this up.
The one strange thing I've noticed about Palmar is that as mafia he likes to accuse his scum buddies day 1/2. He did that to me in PTP2. I nearly have enough proof to show that BrownBear is mafia, and Palmar did accuse BrownBear day 1. So now I wonder....
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Foolishness
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On August 25 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:
@Foolishness, I still think we should get mig lynched. He's like 90% mafia in my eyes. His early contradiction followed by his posting patterns (scarcely and only when needed) are all red in my eyes.
Of course. But BrownBear should be the next person to follow. RayzorFlash is probably mafia as well.
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