Really? I mean really? You didn't notice how he was active early on in the game making fluff posts for town cred but then completely disappeared once the game actually got going? Or the fact that he has completely contradicted himself multiple times. Or the fact that like 2hours before the end of day1 he appeared introduced 2 new candidates for lynch and then disappeared without pushing for them at all so that he was effectively sitting out of the day1 lynch. None of these things strike you as scummy?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 11:09 GMT

#1042

Palmar

VE - Seems his normal townie self out spoken and nonsensical. Completely different than his scum play in say RTM.

Curu - Seemed pretty normal curu until I defended myself. He voted for me but then once I appeared he does a complete 180 and started strongly defending me? Meh don't really get it. Possibly trying to buddy with me or take credit once I flip. That combined with his complete lack of any real analysis this game I would say leaning scummy.

BB - His initial vote on jeejee and the fact he never actually pushed for the lynch was scummy combined with it was weird how he spent so much time arguing with you but I never saw him saw him say you were scum. But I disagreed with the other part of your analysis where you concluded his logic auto made him mafia. There is a reason 50% of games start with people arguing about whether they should lynch lurkers or not. A lot of townies genuinely think that is the correct day1 play and I don't know BB well enough to know if that is what he actually believes. His more recent posts are giant walls of text that are ridiculously annoying to read which I don't really feel one way or another about. I would say likely scum.

Something like BB/chaoser/db/chaos13 or curu or barundar/2 new players would make sense to me from a balance perspective. But I don't feel as strongly as you do about him. I am much more certain of DB.

Barundar yea I could tell you have been skimming considering you listed me getting pegged and disappearing as a reason to vote for me. When I have probably posted more times than anyone today and have been discussing with foolish most of the day.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 11:29 GMT

#1046

Most of your thoughts seem superficial to me. You post whatever thoughts seem to enter your head but I am not sure I have seen you post anything that makes me think you have really been thinking a lot about the game.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 11:49 GMT

#1050

Dropbear are you serious? You are claiming dt then saying you should lynch me instead of the person you got a red check back from? What the fuck?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 11:58 GMT

#1053

Uh how about the fact that I am town?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 12:02 GMT

#1056

Well obviously you want supersoft lynched now? That has to be the reason you claimed? If you are so sure I am scum I don't understand why you claimed dt already instead of just arguing for my lynch.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 12:24 GMT

#1065

The whole thing is weird I don't know why db would fake claim DT then say he checked supersoft instead of saying he checked me.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 12:24 GMT

#1066

So I guess I am inclined to believe db about his check.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 13:11 GMT

#1096

Look at the style of super's pm and look at the ones from the dead players. Something they have in common is sentence structure. They all have like 1000 commas and huge run on sentences. Doesn't mean that's his real role obviously but I do believe it was written by GM, despite it having a known mafia player mentioned.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 14:20 GMT

#1119

I have never played with insane dts before. Does anyone know in your role pm would it talk about the possibility of you being insane? I can maybe buy that db just didn't read the op but if its in the role pm it seems impossible that he wouldn't have known about it.

The fact that there are insane dts makes it 100x better for mafia to fake claim. When the lynch goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and be like ah oops must be insane/paranoid.

But I really don't see the motivation behind fake claiming right now unless he thought he was going to be lynched but he only had 1 vote on him.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:00 GMT

#1135

Yea just the logic behind db's check doesn't really make any sense. Ok so lets say you are a dt you are most suspicious of super day 1. So you check him get red back great you were right! So what is your next move? Write up an analysis and push for the target you know is red. What is Db's? Not even mention his target and vote me because we are connected lol?

Also 2 hours before the end of day1 he mentioned he was most suspicious of hiro and chaoser and suggested lynching them. Why did he not check either of those 2? Look at all the posts he just listed in his analysis of super, all of those occurred before his post attacking hiro/chaoser. If he thought super was scummy that early why did he say hiro/chaoser were the 2 he thought were the most scummy? The choice of his check came out of nowhere.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:04 GMT

#1137

On August 24 2011 00:02 Palmar wrote:
Da-Muffinman just stealthvoted, he's gonna be slided to red on my chart.

Huh is that guy even in this game?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:10 GMT

#1139

lol the guy is in werewolves. I thought maybe he was just confused but supersoft is only in this game.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:11 GMT

#1141

It says he is in the werewolves op.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:23 GMT

#1146

Jesus

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 15:27 GMT

#1151

Why would you ever do this as medic DB why? Were you trying to get the mafia to shoot you? Chaoser did it to draw shots because he was a vet.

Jesus

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 23:45 GMT

#1301

Palmar since when do I ever tear up the thread finger pointing non stop? I pick one person then I push for their lynch until I find someone I think is more likely scum. I always do that, it is the optimal way to play.

I haven't lied about anything this game. I didn't put a good effort in day 1 but people should read my day 2 posts and really ask themselves if any of my motivations or play was scummy. I mean palmar wtf you say I just went after an easy target in db? Huh? There wasn't a single vote on db before me. And you/chaoser/foolish/etc all agreed my case against him was really good. Ok it looks like it probably ended up being incorrect but instead of being results oriented look at my analysis, look at my thinking and see if I was playing well, see if my thoughts were town oriented. Even though it looks like I was wrong I 100% stand behind everything I said about db. My analysis was good and I was putting in real effort to find scum. If that isn't good enough there is nothing else I can do for the town.

Everyone should look at the reasons people are voting me. Every single person is basically sheeping or using meta reasons. Can anyone tell me anything scummy I did day2 or anything scummy at all about my db case? I put my best effort in yesterday and if you want to lynch me just for being wrong there isn't really anything I can do.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 23:47 GMT

#1304

I would 100% rather lynch chaos than hiro.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 24 2011 00:09 GMT

#1326

Usually I think chaos is very analytical and has a strong sense of logic but some of his thoughts this game don't seem right to me. Especially his first vote on palmar. Even though palmar had been spamming and tunneling db relevant information came out of it. It helped town and it lead a lot of people to actually start scum hunting. Yet chaos tried to put all the blame of a bad town environment onto palmar when he had probably done the most to help the town early on. It just seemed like an attempt to easily discredit palmar.

Along with that I agree with palmar's points. Has chaos actually put any effort into the game at all? Has he actually pushed any lynches? Look at his scum play in the previous TL normal game that ran. He is much more willing to lurk and not provide any opinions on the main lynch candidates.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 24 2011 00:15 GMT

#1333

My main argument against chaos is just that he used very poor logic to attack palmar early on. Chaos is good enough he should have been able to see how palmar's tunneling had benefited the town. Yet instead he tried to turn it around to discredit and attack palmar. It's out of character for him.