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On August 12 2011 11:11 flamewheel wrote: Going to ignore all the /in's and make you guys sign up again when it comes time though because I'm OCD ~_~ Fine. I'm gonna sprinkle dust bunnies all over your thread. | ||
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On January 06 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll step down for one of Wiggles/Jackal. Out of RESPECT. He added us. But thanks. That was a gracious action on your part. If I roll scum I'll kill you last. | ||
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On January 06 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll step down for one of Wiggles/Jackal. Out of RESPECT. He added us. But thanks. That was a gracious action on your part. If I roll scum I'll kill you last. | ||
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Zona has granted me his blessings to participate in this game as well as Purgatory. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote: First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. | ||
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On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote: We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Body guards don't claim. Mayor knows who they are. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:44 flamewheel wrote: Also if you haven't been doing so, send questions/requests to both myself and jcarlsoniv for faster responses. I'm sending all mine to Proactinium. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote: no, screw leaving people till day 2. If he's useless now he'll be useless day 2. Kill him. I couldn't care less about veterans and usefulness later on or all of that bs. If you're a vet and I think you're scum day 1 I want you to die day 1. Palmar fits this perfectly. Just look at his filter if you don't believe me; he's had a full day (and by EU time it was an actual day, I've only had about 6 hours worth if you compare) and all of his posts have been one liner marginal content bull. He also refuses to respond to any sort of pressure and has been completely incapable of any sort of scumhunting. He's scum. Just kill him. Thank you. I don't know why people are willing to give obvscum til day 2 to get their act together. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already. Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them. BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no? @meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake. Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:06 bumatlarge wrote: Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader. Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now. Lmao. You might get it yet as well. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:13 bumatlarge wrote: EBWOP: Forgive this post, I got angry. If you really think I'd play this game exactly the way I would play insane mafia 2 where I was the police chief and the mayor, and you think someone here would have done a better job in the same position, then fine. I'm opting out of the race. I'm clearly not meant to be mayor on TL ever again. That said, Slardar, the strength of the mayor is how much ressure is put on them by deciding the lynch. Scum can run bullshit campaigns if all they need to live up to is having +3 voting power and night protection. Scum mayor's get massive amounts of flak very quickly because it becomes apparent rather quickly that they don't have town's best interest. I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:46 Protactinium wrote: Ah an interesting roleclaim. However, there is much more to this than people are getting at. The PM debate is an old one. Everyone has their opinion on whether it is town or mafia favored, and even through out-of-game debates, this is a highly controversial topic. If it can' be solved out of game, there's absolutely no way we are going to come up with a consensus in game. BC defends his claim by saying that getting everyone to contribute on this polarizing topic will help us get early reads on players. But if we can't agree on anything out of game, you won't really be able to say that someone saying "PMs good!" or "PMs bad!" will tell us anything about their alignment. Anyone can pretty much say whatever they like since they are under no obligation or pressure to have an opinion one way or the other on this issue. While it is debatable whether PMs are "good" or "bad" for town, it shouldn't be too controversial to say that PMs are elitist. They inherently favor good players who can make use of the extra channel of communication. When you are talking to someone in PMs, always keep in mind what you think the other person wants from you. Are they trying to convince you of a certain point of view? Are they trying to get you to claim? As long as you can keep in mind that the PM initiator may be attempting to manipulate you and don't give away information loosely, PMs really aren't that scary. What exactly has BC been discussing? Primarily, he has divided his attention between defending his claim, responding to attacks on the potnetial that he is red, and asking for "discussion" while pushing a particularly biased point of view. More clearly stated, he proposes a seemingly open-ended question, and answers it himself to make it appear like there was a town consensus behind it. If you look at the thread, the only real contribution to the discussion that DOESN'T come from BC is sandroba's suggestion that all the masons roleclaim. And notice BC's bias when discussing the topic. In almost all his posts, BC paints PMs in a bad light. He only seriously acknowledges that town masons have the potential to catch scum, but in the same post, quickly says that "its harder than you think": But lets look at a section of what BC has to say a bout PMs in his guide "TL Town Breakdown/Analysis": Quite a contradictory opinion from what he states in game. The essence of BC's out of game stance is that: "PMs are like playing with fire. Could be insanely awesome if used correctly, but could burn you if you don't. If you don't feel comfortable, don't use them". This is quite a stark contrast to his position in this game, where he seriously downplays the usefulness of town PMs, and does a bit of fear mongering in emphasizing how the mafia can screw you over with PMs. Is it possible that BC has changed his stance? I doubt it, but it certainly is possible. So lets dig deeper here. How is BC pushing his opinion? He does it subtly, and attempts to dissociate it from his personal point of view. In the beginning of his campaign to discuss masons, BC heavily uses the word "discuss" or "discussion", asks how "we as a whole" want to deal with masons, emphasizes that this is a discussion everyone should be weighing in on, and attempts to get the community involved in the discussion. He doesn't outright present his personal point of view, and frames the discussion so that it appears free and open-ended. But pretty much injects his own opinion into the discussion whenver possible. His initial point is that mafia masons are dangerous and that town needs to have a plan to deal with that. When asked for an example of PMs in action, BC drags in an example where he manipulated VE to do pro-mafia actions in just 1-2 PMs. (Reinforcing his stance on "PMs are scary") When asked behind why he thinks a mass claim will interfere with the mafia masons, he proposes in the hypothetical that if town agrees to not use PMs, then it shuts down mafia masons. A few posts later, he reemphasizes that "by making the town decide, vocally, now, we force everyone to have an opinion." While this is fine and dandy, really he is the one calling the shots here. When Cyber_Cheese suggests that we let masons use their discretion and suggests that smart town masons could cause the mafia masons to backfire, BC counters with "Mafia masons have the experience of an entire team to work manipulate someone", subtly pushing his opinion that PMs should be shunned. When asked about his opinion on a mason claim, he says he's fine with it, but takes the opportunity to inject more of his "ignore all PMs" idea into the conversation (notice that nobody else has been saying "lets ignore PMs"). BC is pushing the anti-PM agenda, in a way that is quite subtle. He constantly brings in reference to "the town needs to decide", or "this is a very important discussion that everyone needs to weigh in on", while he is really the one dominating the conversation. In other words, he is injecting his mafia bias into the discussion while attempting to pass it off as a town discussion or collective town decision. Here's something BC didn't tell you. As he has told me in the past (out of game): "keep in mind as red i rarely pm", and "my heavy pm use is town play". Now what about the "spotlight factor" brought up by Meapak? BC putting himself in the spotlight is nothing unusual, both for his mafia and town play. If you've read past games, think of BC's style as much the same as Ace's. As stated above, red BC doesn't use a PM heavy style. He uses a style that focuses on thread control, shutting down serious opposition through arguments and generally trashing the thread. BC claiming mason does not give him any +town points in my book. The general heuristic of "mafia want to avoid the spotlight" doesn't apply to BC, who is an experienced mafia player and has proven that he is well capable of taking the spotlight as red. So what is the scenario for BC being red and pushing his mason claim? BC is in fact red, and can use the mason power (chooses it for himself early in the day). As a town mason would, BC picks a mason target and starts talking to them. Once he gets the town to agree to ban masons, he is off the hook, and doesn't have to worry about PMs anymore. More specifically, he doesn't have to worry about town PMs. Like stated before, mafia BC plays a powerhouse thread control style. By banning PMs, BC doesn't lose out on much (he admits he isn't a heavy PM user), and nerfs Foolishness, sandroba, and my abilities to play a PM centric game (which we are known for). And that's what is the difference between this game and XLII (the game he refers to when he says he dominates with only 1-2 PMs). Foolishness and I are playing in this game, and are real threats. BC wants to shut down PMs before it starts, and he doesn't have to give up much information or lie at all in order to do it. Furthermore, he has not followed up on his campaign promise: "I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better)." Ok, so maybe he called out Foolishness yesterday, but where is the scumhunting today? Its non-existent, because BC is too busy derailing the thread with mason discussions instead of scumhunting. What is even more interesting is the timing of his initial claim post. It comes an hourish after my second post against Ciryandor, which conveniently most people except for sandroba and sheth have ignored. 1. BloodyC0bbler derailed today's discussion onto the irrelevant, highly controversial, and unsolvable PM debate. 2. Because the community is split over the PM debate, discussing it tells us nothing about alignment even if people contribute to the discussion. In other words, BC is overexaggerating the importance of this discussion. 3. BloodyC0bbler is masking his intentions and his clear anti-PM agenda, [b]which is inconsistent with his previous (out of game) stance on PMs). 4. BloodyC0bbler is trying to frame the discussion as an open discussion, when he is clearly injecting his personal bias. 5. BloodyC0bbler's actions are completely consistent with his mafia style, which is to spread chaos and control the thread atmoshere and discussion. 6. BloodyC0bbler's actions are not consistent with his campaign promise to analyze and call out people. He has done none of that today BloodyC0bbler is mafia. If you vote for me I will lynch him. Is this Mist or Incog posting this? And could you identify yourselves when posting please. | ||
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On January 14 2012 12:16 Nisani201 wrote: I would recommend against a Palmar lynch. The argument against him is entirely meta-based, and as such should not be used as the basis of an argument. However I would like to see him post more. Good enough for me. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:54 Adam4167 wrote: EchelonTee: ”Adam, I’m curious if you are still for cheese” I missed this line because of the whole “–town” debacle that occurred right after it. And the answer is… No, I've since put my vote on Protactinium. I don’t trust cheese since a large portion of his posts have been shitty. He can change my mind by doing some great analysis though. GGQ: You’ve had some experience playing with Palmar, should we hang him based on his meta of being obstructive and lazy as scum? Jackal58: In your last post, you agreed with Nisani201 that lynching Palmar based off of meta alone is a stupid idea. Do you feel that Palmar should warrant a ‘stay of execution’ until day 2 so we can better determine his alignment? Actually I was disagreeing with him. + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 10:49 Jackal58 wrote: Thank you. I don't know why people are willing to give obvscum til day 2 to get their act together. | ||
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On January 14 2012 23:23 Adam4167 wrote: Ah, OK. I assumed "Good enough for me", was your way of saying "OK, you make a good argument", when instead you meant "A meta case is 'good enough for me' to lynch him with". My mistake. While you're around, who do you like for Mayor? I have an idea which way you might go () Bum. | ||
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On January 15 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Jackal up for some chatting? Always. Rereading the game. And fwiw I agreed with Bugs on Palmar. If he hadn't been calling for him to be lynched I would have. | ||
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On January 16 2012 00:40 Kurumi wrote: Didn't Palmar seem more like a Bored Townie than Mafia Member? Weren't there better targets? Like, Kenpachi or Cyriandor? The bored part I agree with. But bored Palmar has always been scum Palmar up to now. Kenpachi starts every game the same way. That doesn't make him a better or worse option. I don't know Cyriandor so I can't make a comparison based on meta. And meta is the sole purpose I had for agreeing with Bugs. What I didn't like was BC abandoning his own beliefs to lynch Palmar. that was pretty much bullshit. | ||
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On January 16 2012 01:22 rgTheSchworz wrote: SO he's doing a scum-move thats not a scummy move? Omg, i sense contradiction Are you two the same person?????? | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:35 Lanaia wrote: I noticed something. BM never posted who he was incarcerating. If he were mafia, how do we think that power would be used? I'm just curious here. However, this shortens the post I'm going to be making soon. Possible, but kita's claim... Is it typical for people to claim what happened to them? Why would he? I'd be pissed if he did. | ||
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On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep: Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. | ||
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On January 16 2012 23:47 supersoft wrote: So you think he knew that he has no real chance to get into office? Do you furthermore think that scum shot Cyriandor themselves? I think a vig shot Cyr. Sandroba has no problems with calling out a team mate. He was all over Annul from day 1 on in XXXVIII. | ||
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And yes if he was a one shot Vig claim. If he was a jack keep his mouth shut. | ||
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On January 17 2012 01:26 sandroba wrote: @BC LOL man you could have redacted a few parts from that shit that I don't even remember talking about. WBG, supersoft and toadstem need to get off my balls. My weekends are pretty busy and I did my best with the little time I had. I don't even know why the fuck you are calling me mafia on the first place. As for who I think is mafia I got GGQ, Jackal and rgtICEMAN. I'm going to read dead guy's filters before I choose which one to push today, but they could very easily be all mafia. Brb. We need to learn a new dance man. | ||
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On January 17 2012 03:31 sandroba wrote: One thing that tipped me off is him comparing my play to the game we played together as scum, which he should be able to do better and realize that's not the same. Until today it is pretty much the same. Long periods of absence. Punctuated by short posts calling people scum with no real analysis behind it. And no I'm not "jumping all over the place" I agreed with Bugs assessment of Palmars meta and answered his question of who I saw as scummy up to this point. That would have been you at that time. The more you post the less I see it that way but if you are scum you'll disappear for 36 hours or so at a time. You can't help yourself. That's how you play scum. | ||
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On January 17 2012 05:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Being in the open makes PM's public as whoever hides PM's is then suspected.Logic fart, not enough to paint him. So, wait, if you post badly day 1, you won't get lynched?Logic fart. Care to explain why BC would be town? So far he has taken a fair part of day 1 discussion, which was unproductive. I'm not calling him red,because, as he said, he tried to spur thread talk about something other than candidacies. But that has been noted later. The most significant of 1 liners i could find. Overall, this player is quite illogical and does not explain his opinions. We have better lynch candidates, but jump on his next ,,big post'' by his standards. 50 people started this game. Who the hell are you quoting? | ||
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On January 18 2012 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: All right - I'm going to add my vote to macpo and trust the vets on this one. He simply doesn't have enough posts/content for ME to make a judgement, so fuck it. If they're right, badass. ##Vote: Macpo This is enough for me to hang your ass. You won't pass judgement but you'll help hang his ass. Scummy Visc. Very scummy. If you don't like the Macpo lynch this guy is an excellent alternative. | ||
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On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now. I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day. All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together. Lol. Good luck with that. | ||
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On January 19 2012 07:57 risk.nuke wrote: Well if they hit 1 of the incarnated 2 and no kp is missing that wouldn't look very good for Murray would it? It's incarcerated. Not incarnated. That's a completely different animal. On January 19 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum also love to make blanket statements about what scum love to do. :D For a moment after the flip I thought I was wrong about you. | ||
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On January 19 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: like Jackal already said, at this point in time I'd like to not have BM involved in your plan. However the rest (= playing normal) is just fine. Let the medics deal with that themselves. The funny thing actually is, that BCs "list" isn't that bad. Now that a couple of people showed up telling him it's bad to do such things we've got massive wifom. Clearly there will be medics reading this and maybe they'll end up thinking "hey if it's bad because mafia will NOT shoot X+Y I'll just not protect X+Y myself". Could be anything right now. @VE: If you look at what it says yes, if you look at what it means no. Telling someone he might chainsaw-defend is a little fos itself because no townie should do such a thing, so in reality it is a little "yeah look at that, he might chainsaw-defend (=mafia tell)" although he did not explicitly say so :p BCs proposal is scummy as hell. Doesn't matter who he directed medics towards. Could be Jesus himself. That doesn't matter. Creating a situation where scum can shoot into town with impunity because medics listened to him is what matters. | ||
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On January 19 2012 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Step up and lead town then Jackal! You've got my sword! Go blow your scumshine up somebody elses skirt. | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm just excited because my wife finally procured some [REDACTED] and it's a good motha****** day. But whatever. I gotta take whiz quizes all the time for work so I can no longer partake in redacted. | ||
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The angel did sing. | ||
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Fuck you guys. | ||
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BC is scum. Lynch him. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:16 Protactinium wrote: Sorry, but sandroba flipping red doesn't help you at all, given your hilarious slipup yesterday (you certainly do remember, right?). You clearly saw my post, and yet conveniently ignore that GGQ is town. We are just going to lynch down my list today. ##Vote BM ##Vote kingjames I'm on your list bitch. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:15 VisceraEyes wrote: *brofist*? Or do you still want me dead? That's confidential. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:44 Toadesstern wrote: I actually got the same feeling. Sheth said yesterday he thinks I'm mafia and he flipped [blue]vigi{/blue]. Could be his shot but idk. If there's noone else claiming a shot it was mafia. What about asking vigis to claim a shot if someone shot me? Let's assume for a second we have another vigi that is not dead. If he would claim he shot me would that cause any harm? Worst case would be giving a mafia towncred because he can just claim he vig'ed me because he knows there was no vig. Something I'm missing? Unless they called their shot right before deadline I won't believe them. Period. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:45 blahz0r wrote: I think I agree with Protactinium's list of lynching Bill Murray but not sure who I want to vote for 2nd lynch. The following was posted before his Night 2 post... Did BM do that? Does incarcerate only work on one hit? Need answers... If L was incarcerated my shot would not have happened. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:00 bumatlarge wrote: I think BM has some explaining to do. Jackal, why did you shoot L if bill was supposed to jail him? I don't think that would refund your shot? ##Vote: bill murray Because BM won't do anything he's asked to do. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:04 bumatlarge wrote: HEY WOAH HEY WOAH HEY. Let jackal answer the question. I was pretty convinced he was mafia, and if this doesn't add up, I think it's fairly likely he might be scum. I'm fairly certain I pissed you off. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote: you don't want to vote anyone. You have 0 scumreads. I wish I could kill you. You want to kill me too. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:12 p4NDemik wrote: Holy shit guys stop spamming. We have people with actual accusations to consider here. Namely me. I'm more concerned about the possibility of a scum triumvirate trying to gain control of town than what Supersoft may or may not be. BC, Proactinium, Flamewheel. Mutually supporting scumteam. That possibility scares me. They trust each other way to much. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:16 bumatlarge wrote: If a player is incinerated, and vigilante uses his shot on said person, does the bullet return? You are on thin ice. But for L to be actually killed would require a vigilante to use the same logic you do. And you would probably use that logic too. So for now I believe you. It's INCARCERATED Not incinerated. Not incarnated. I called my shot Bum. What do you have issues with? RPGs? | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:18 p4NDemik wrote: Why are you more concerned about one theory more than another. Stop doing everything you can to spam this accusation under the rug and consider all possibilities for the sake of town. Also wtf are you talking about? flamewheel? Because Supersoft can't drive this herd of lemmings over a cliff and into the sea. BC, Proact, and Flamewheel can. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:21 bumatlarge wrote: no i thought you were very likely scum. Perhaps I need to review BC more closely. Start here - Why did Proact want BM to incarcerate L? Read his filter but with Foolishness and Proacts. Not one of them I could call scummy individual. But they are all 3 legs of the same milk stool. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:31 Lanaia wrote: Hrm... Not really sure how I feel about this. How sure are you of this? How do you feel about BM, then, Jackal? Also I like BM lynch. Not sure KJ is the best second. I'm not sure. I'm not anywhere near sure. Until BM tells us who he caged up I'm going to presume he's town. On January 19 2012 13:29 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think that is entirely true. Foolishness and protact I agree with, but BC feels like a much shorter leg then the other three. Why would you not call him a scummy individual? I'm saying that none of the three have posted anything I could build a solid case on. But their apparent faith in each others alignment bothers the hell out of me. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:32 p4NDemik wrote: I don't care about Chaosquo at all. What I care about is that you went with the case of a player who didn't even believe in the case enough to vote for Chaosquo. There was NO support leading up to your vote. No one giving a compelling case. You look like you are just making a lazy vote that you don't care about at all. You lead on like you want Macpo lynched but the motive looks to be clearly that of a mafia - to cover up your true alignment and to make you look town. And VE I know we have a lot of candidates. The important thing is that we get the ones we feel the most strongly about. And I feel like this case is a home run. Clear cut. Lazy voting behavior. He even manages to bus his own team member while voting for someone else. You can make the exact same case against the guy you're talking too. | ||
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I'm pretty sure GF is dead. Lemme check. Yep no pulse. | ||
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On January 20 2012 00:39 risk.nuke wrote: Fuck it, he could be the jack just wanting to use his nightkill. BM dies today. I'm pretty sure he's town. I'm pretty sure he's a bad lynch. I'm pretty sure scum is driving this wagon. | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal: what about BC's play do you find particularly suspicious? On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now. I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day. All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together. He knows better than that. | ||
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On January 20 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote: you actually believe his claim? Honestly I don't believe I've found one thing that BM has said this entire game that makes a shred of sense. As for Toad, yes, it's very atypical for townies. Why the hell are you voting slardar? Have you even had a scumread on him? Just use logic and common sense and build a case on Toad instead of voting random people. He never makes any sense. That's the joy of playing with BM. I'll entertain the thought that Macpo was bussed hard by his teammates and by that line of reasoning I could vote for a BM lynch. But lynching him because he makes no sense makes no sense. Foolishness, Proactinium (At least the Incognito half), bumatlarge and BloodyC0bbler all know this. If BM flips red I shall have to reconsider everything I'm thinking so far in this game. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote: wait wtf how do you know supersoft masoned me? On January 20 2012 07:22 supersoft wrote: pandemik. I am not mafia. I admit, that my activitylevel is poor. But that has to do with my role: I am mason. I claim right now, because scum already has that information. I masoned L yesterday and he refused to talk to me. He was never online when I was. With that information it's quite easy for you to know who I masoned Day1. It obviously was WBG and we talked a lot about Palmar. Obviously. From now on I'll be more active in the thread. Promised. Game is easier if you actually read it. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal, I'd actually like you to weigh in on this: you came in and apologized for your 'bad play' up until this point, justifying it with 'I have a gun yo I didn't wanna get shot!' Would you consider my putting you on the lynch-list justified for the (succinct) reason I gave in my pre-dawn post? Would you consider my reasoning to be "OMGUS"? Everybody puts me on their lynch lists on day one. Everybody tells me to "do something" on day one. I've yet to figure out wtf to do on day one. Unless I'm scum. Then I know exactly what to do. I called your reasons for voting Mapco on day 1 scummy. I still think they were. Later during the night phase I appeared on a scum list you posted that included town reads and others you saw as scummy. I did not at that time nor do I now see that as something I would call a classic OMGUS. But I'm not the one you have to convince. That would be Jay Jay. Atm I am still leaning towards scum with you. However I am also wondering if I am pulling a GMarshall and defending every scum player coming up for lynch. This game has way to many people openly connected with each other at a very early stage for me to believe they are all scum. Yet if those connections started to become apparent to me on day 3 or later I would have no problems with calling them all out as scum. And I'd be right most of the time. But I have never seen a game start like this before. It is confusing me. Sensory overload I suppose. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: You still do? In spite of the fact that, by your request, I went and looked for myself and found analysis that HAD NOT been touched on before? Do you consider that to be scummy? Because I mean, calling me out on something is one thing - but the reaction should hold just as much weight as the action in my opinion - because they are independent actions anyway. As scum I'd have a whole plethora of choices available to me - is the fact that the choice I made, to go look for myself, find information on my own, bring that to the thread BEFORE he flipped scum and stick with it scummy to you? And furthermore, I couldn't care less about "convincing JayJay"...it's town I have to convince. JayJay is attempting to discredit any scumhunting I've done by reducing it simply to OMGUS when that's just clearly not the case. No one's biting, and for that I'm thankful - but I don't want that kind of ridiculous nonsense IN THE THREAD because it's very obviously meant ONLY to discredit anything I say. Notice how JayJay hasn't even come forth and said whether he thinks I'm scum or not? He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though. Chill man. I'm just observing now. For what its worth I see about 20 people as scummy right now. | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:21 jaj22 wrote: Because Jackal, in his own words, superderped for two days. Since (almost certainly) shooting L, he's played properly. Thinking he was town before he shot L is suspicious. Apparently Sandroba doesn't have a problem with this because he hasn't posted for two days. No it isn't. Many here recognize my play on day one as being next to useless. | ||
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I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him; I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie sandroba needs rope really badly My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive. Cwave masoned me yesterday Jitsu masoned me yesterday one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff[/QUOTE] You make no sense. Ever. And we have another 24 hours. On January 20 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal I need you to do more. I need to to be the leader that BC refuses to be. I need you to be the leader that Liquidia deserves, but hasn't needed until now. Jackal I need you to be the goddamn Batman. BC is taking it to PMs and not leading shit. He promised he'd be transparent and easily read if we elected him. HE PROMISED JACKAL! Ya I know. But hey he was gracious enough to give me another day to prove myself. I'm assuming he's at work right now. He's on my scum list. Actually he tops it. If he didn't have body guards I would have shot him last night instead of L. I'm positive one of either BM or BC is scum. Hell perhaps both. I'd rather lynch BC today instead of BM but I don't see that happening. His Mason claim is suspect. His reasoning for it even worse. All he accomplished was to allow scum to control masons. Scum have masons too. His direction of blues is scummy as hell. BM makes no sense but he's not trying to guide town over a cliff. | ||
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Ebwop On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote: I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him; I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie sandroba needs rope really badly My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive. Cwave masoned me yesterday Jitsu masoned me yesterday one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff You make no sense. Ever. And we have another 24 hours. On January 20 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal I need you to do more. I need to to be the leader that BC refuses to be. I need you to be the leader that Liquidia deserves, but hasn't needed until now. Jackal I need you to be the goddamn Batman. BC is taking it to PMs and not leading shit. He promised he'd be transparent and easily read if we elected him. HE PROMISED JACKAL! Ya I know. But hey he was gracious enough to give me another day to prove myself. I'm assuming he's at work right now. He's on my scum list. Actually he tops it. If he didn't have body guards I would have shot him last night instead of L. I'm positive one of either BM or BC is scum. Hell perhaps both. I'd rather lynch BC today instead of BM but I don't see that happening. His Mason claim is suspect. His reasoning for it even worse. All he accomplished was to allow scum to control masons. Scum have masons too. His direction of blues is scummy as hell. BM makes no sense but he's not trying to guide town over a cliff. I was talking to my wife while I was typing this. I see BC is here now. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:22 BrownBear wrote: Wait what. This is nonsensical and silly. Why on earth do you have a bomb on Protact if you're MH? I thought you had a town read on him, or was I just imagining that? Hi BB. Where ya been? And yes it's nonsensical and silly. | ||
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On January 20 2012 17:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: One random thought I did have though. Since two vigs flipped last night, we can't prove it was Jackal who shot L. I called my shot before the day post bro. | ||
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On January 20 2012 21:48 risk.nuke wrote: We have plenty of good targets. I'm going to analyse a few players today. Example rgtSchwors, Kingjames and Slardar. For now Bill Murray is the one obvious choice. He is just desperate to survive another day I don't buy his MH claim. It's too impossibly stupid to be true. And there is much bullshit in his posts. Toad gained some early townpoints with me which is why I don't want to lynch him today,+ Show Spoiler + I'd prefer not to post the post but I will if requested. On the other hand I don't buy his vet claim and he has never been correct with alot of reads before which makes me suspicious of him. I'm leaning not lynching him but not by much, So is outing the body guards to Masons when there are known scum Masons in the game. Unless you are scum and know who your masons are. Then out them to gain town cred to town masons. Up to this point I have not been in favor of a BM lynch based upon his erratic behavior. His behavior is always erratic. But I can't resolve outing bodyguards with town behavior. That's not erratic that's traitorous. | ||
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On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote: The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:53 Foolishness wrote: Look at the one post I quoted and explain to me why a mafia would make that post; what motivation he would have for doing such a thing. There's disconnect between us as well. I don't think sandroba is a good lynch but BC and Protact like it so I'm going with it. I think Blahz0r is obvious mafia but I'm the only person in the game. We don't agree on everything either but our direction is the same, and that's what is important for a large game like this. How are you guys all talking to each other? And what direction are you heading in? | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote: I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this. Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01. Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba? I have no problem voting for Sandroba. He was scum with me in XLVIII. I see what appears to be the same game from him here. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: In a word, no. I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular. I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best. I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2. I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BM is BM. All reads on him although could possibly be accurate could be summed up with its BM. The risk of losing protract earlier because BM decided to troll us all is an actual possibility. We still have other leads which is why we opted to move to those. This isn't unreasonable to want to keep a strong analyzer alive longer. As for whoever said if he is a hatter and has a bomb on protract isn't that more a reason to lynch him? are you a friggen moron -_- I made that argument when he was first pushed as a lynch and was ignored. This is beginning to look more like one, if not more than one, of your triumvirate knows BM is most likely a hatter. If that is the case lynching him would be a most excellent thing to do. And don't start telling me how many scum you guys have outed. 2 were killed by Vigs. Plus outing your entire scum team is en vogue atm. Several of us in this game just did it with very successful results. I am leaving shortly and won't be back on until late tonight. I foresee a real clusterfuck occurring over the next several hours and am sorry I shall have to miss it. | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:42 Jackal58 wrote: Proactinium is scum. If we have any vigs left shoot him. Drunk Jackal apparently has different reads than sober Jackal. | ||
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On January 22 2012 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Did drunk or sober Jackal take the shot at L? Sober. You, BC, L and Sandroba were on my short list. I couldn't shoot BC nor do I want to atm. I shot the one I thought I would have the hardest time getting lynched. Drunk Jackal would have shot WBG just for shits and giggles. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:10 p4NDemik wrote: What point are you trying to make? He called his shot right as the clock struck midnight. He is town. What does anything before or after that moment in time have to do with his alignment? He is like 99.9% town. He shot and killed one of the best mafia players on TL. He's defending Proact putting me on his list. He's not calling me scum. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:14 p4NDemik wrote: Moreover he's more defending his previous attacks on you than he is attacking Protact's putting on your list. I'm sure most here had me leaning red in their own personal lists on day 1. At least a number of people that I have played numerous games with. What bothers me is Foolishness called me town. I put no effort into looking town on day 1. | ||
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WBG - WHEN WERE YOU TALKING TO SANDROBA??????? | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:19 p4NDemik wrote: Jackal the important thing is why is BC attacking me just now I actually just helped him a bit. Because he gets a tad arrogant? | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:21 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs. You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird? Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now. You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!". I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night. I am. I'm done listening to him. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:36 Toadesstern wrote: quoting to get this up again. What are you talking about? A searched wbg's filter real quick and wasn't able to find what you're referring to. Could you do me a favor and link / quote what you're talking about because from what you say it sounds important :p You need to start reading everything. I don't want you on my jury. On January 22 2012 12:03 kitaman27 wrote: [16:36] <sandroba> hey [16:36] <kitaman27_> sup [16:36] <sandroba> who do you plan on supporting for mayor? [16:36] <sandroba> have you decided yet? [16:37] <kitaman27_> probably mig, but for pardoner, not mayor [16:37] <sandroba> how are you going to acomplish that [16:38] <sandroba> lol [16:38] <sandroba> every person only has one vote [16:38] <sandroba> isn't pardoner the runner up? [16:38] <kitaman27_> heh well syllo told me that mig wants pardoner too [16:38] <kitaman27_> so we can coordinate so he gets second [16:38] <kitaman27_> who do you want? Not jimbo I assume? [16:39] <sandroba> I'm voting mig [16:39] <sandroba> don't care if pardoner or mayor [16:39] <sandroba> I was hoping I could elect both [16:39] <kitaman27_> what about mig makes you want to vote for him? [16:39] <sandroba> well there is plenty of our shit in the thread already [16:39] <sandroba> I'm kinda tired of repeating myself over 2000x times [16:40] <kitaman27_> I saw the reason for syllo. Is it just by association? [16:40] <sandroba> but basically I have my own reasons to trust him [16:40] <sandroba> and yes [16:40] <sandroba> I trust syllo's judgment too [16:40] <sandroba> as I'm positive he is town [16:40] <kitaman27_> Do you think jimbo's analysis against you is scum motivated or is he just wrong? [16:41] <sandroba> man [16:41] <sandroba> I can't wrap around my head [16:41] <sandroba> any townie motivations for posting that shit [16:42] <sandroba> I've argued plenty about it on thread [16:42] <sandroba> I thought my opinion was clear [16:42] <kitaman27_> if you had to suggest 1 person to mig to lynch, would it be jimbo? Or is there somebody else? [16:42] <kitaman27_> *for [16:42] <sandroba> I'm kinda undecided [16:42] <sandroba> but leaning chaoser [16:42] <sandroba> between him and chaoser [16:43] <sandroba> on the off chance jimbo is town and has an awesome role [16:43] <kitaman27_> lol chaoser seems to be a popular name from what I've heard [16:43] <kitaman27_> what about chaoser makes him scummy? [16:43] <sandroba> plenty [16:44] <sandroba> the convos we had in skype [16:44] <sandroba> are pretty damn near impossible to be from a townie perspective [16:44] <kitaman27_> anything in particular? [16:44] <sandroba> first [16:45] <sandroba> let's hear what you think about him [16:45] <kitaman27_> But I asked first [16:45] <sandroba> as I can never tell if you are scum or not [16:45] <kitaman27_> I'm never scum ^_^ [16:45] <sandroba> you sneaky snake [16:45] <sandroba> you asked plenty already [16:45] <sandroba> your turn to answer =P [16:46] <kitaman27_> I've only had one major conversation asking his input about foolishness, where he was extremely careful in the way he responded [16:46] <sandroba> that's weird [16:46] <kitaman27_> overall it just seems like he has been unwilling to accuse anybody of anything yet [16:46] <sandroba> cuz foolishness also thinks he is scum [16:47] <kitaman27_> I haven't seen signs of him actively scum hunting yet [16:47] <kitaman27_> lol don't get me started on my chat with foolishness [16:47] <kitaman27_> strange to say the least [16:47] <kitaman27_> but not sure if its necessarily scum motivated [16:47] <kitaman27_> your turn [16:47] <kitaman27_> why chaoser? [16:48] <sandroba> I was trying to convince him to step down [16:48] <sandroba> as you can see in thread [16:49] <sandroba> and then told him my motives to believe syllo is town [16:49] <sandroba> he trusted it so much [16:49] <sandroba> that he deemed it cheating [16:49] <sandroba> and pm'ed gm about it [16:49] <sandroba> when gm said that was not cheating [16:49] <sandroba> he back pedalled and concluded "you must be lying then" [16:50] <sandroba> I proved to him that running against mig was a bad idea if he was town [16:50] <sandroba> and he acused me of being heavy handed [16:50] <kitaman27_> If he really wanted mayor, I would think he would be campaigning way more heavily [16:50] <sandroba> forcing him to step down [16:50] <sandroba> that screams of fear to me [16:50] <kitaman27_> kinda like radfield [16:50] <sandroba> he later [16:50] <sandroba> agreed to step down lol [16:51] <kitaman27_> hmm [16:51] <sandroba> i have the logs [16:51] <sandroba> but it's like 10 pages long [16:52] <kitaman27_> I'll take a look if you wanna pm them to me [16:52] <sandroba> he is scum though [16:52] <kitaman27_> I've got nothing better to do [16:52] <sandroba> k I guess there is no harm [16:52] <sandroba> even if you are scum [16:52] <sandroba> =P [16:52] <sandroba> do you suspect anyone so far? [16:53] <sandroba> brb that shit is long [16:53] <kitaman27_> k [16:53] <kitaman27_> I've been trying to exchange pms with heist and its been really tough to get anything out of him. [16:53] <sandroba> k sent [16:53] <kitaman27_> ty :D [16:54] <sandroba> lol [16:54] <sandroba> is heist even playing [16:54] <sandroba> man [16:54] <kitaman27_> barely -_- [16:54] <sandroba> too many people are hiding hardcore [16:54] <sandroba> radfield just had to remind me foolishness was playing [16:54] <kitaman27_> lol I think there are a couple people who haven't even posted yet [16:54] <sandroba> so I talked to him the first time today [16:54] <kitaman27_> how did that go? [16:54] <sandroba> despite having in on skype lol [16:55] <sandroba> he basically trolled me [16:55] <sandroba> and gave me nothing [16:55] <kitaman27_> -_- [16:55] <kitaman27_> sounds familiar [16:56] <sandroba> ... [16:56] <sandroba> he claims he wants to "survive night one" [16:56] <sandroba> cool [16:56] <sandroba> to acomplish what is my question [16:56] <sandroba> he is pick 25 [16:56] <kitaman27_> its kinda strange that he wants to survive yet doesn't run for mayor, even though he could win it blindfolded [16:56] <sandroba> if he is townie [16:57] <sandroba> he will have no cred by day2 =/ [16:57] <sandroba> then even if he does a great job [16:57] <kitaman27_> I asked him his reasoning for voting mig and he said it was because mig was the smallest threat to town [16:57] <sandroba> it doesn't matter [16:57] <sandroba> well [16:57] <sandroba> if he is voting mig [16:57] <sandroba> then I don't care right now [16:58] <kitaman27_> lol well you might be outta luck [16:58] <kitaman27_> after jimbo's post, he seemed to have changed his mind [16:58] <sandroba> how come? [16:58] <sandroba> ... [16:58] <kitaman27_> he said "Jimbo was the only one who understood how this game works" [16:58] <kitaman27_> yet didn't really mention anything about you in particular [16:59] <kitaman27_> He did try to suggest kenpachi has a defensive role at 2, so at least that gives him some town points [17:01] <kitaman27_> anyways, I'll bbl [17:01] <kitaman27_> ttyl [17:01] <sandroba> sorry [17:01] <sandroba> I was talking to wbg [17:02] <sandroba> k ttyl then On January 22 2012 13:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Jackal, you on crack bro? I never talked to sandro. ##vote Bill Murray Also Toad is annoying | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:53 kitaman27 wrote: lolol Jackal. What did I miss Kita? | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:15 Ver wrote: That was Quiz worthy Jackal lolol It would have if I had been able to get Bugs lynched because of that. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:27 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL Jackal. At least we know he's town now. I see no way a scum would notice that and then call me out on it, cause it takes a lot of reading just to see it. Jackal what do you think about lynching BM? I never moved my vote off of him yesterday. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote: OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad Hatter You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray @p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie. He only claimed one bomb planted on Protact. He got that one back and planted the other one he hadn't used yet. Or my comprehension has gone completely away. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:40 Toadesstern wrote: If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP? Are you for real? | ||
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On January 22 2012 22:51 Slardar wrote: I think after the KingJames debacle, everyone shouldn't be so quick to jump to BC's words. Also now that Protract is dead flipped blue, it makes Foolishness and BC bandwagonning on everything together seem suspicious. "25 of 40 Town-aligned players remaining 6 of 10 Mafia remaining" Either way I compare the BM vs BC situation, it is always going to be more deadly that BC is scum, as opposed to BM who probably used his 3 incarcerates at this point and is useless. If we don't get a Mafia and they kill 3 the following night, if BC is scum they have almost 50% of the votes at that point (21 vs 9) If everyone is so hellbent on killing both BM & BC, why not start with BC first? Longer we wait, the more impossible it's going to be to lynch him and we're getting to a LyLo situation with a fucking wonky mayor. I can't see how that is beneficial. Also - BM may be an idiot but at least he isn't influencing the discussions or doing much, BC is either awful town with his reads, or brilliant scum leading the town to do whatever the fuck he wants. Either way after yesterday (We lynched a soon to be modkilled dude, and Kingjames) I'm finished listening to him. He is way more disruptive in a town atmosphere than BM will ever be at this point, and deserves to die. LMFAO | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them Have either turned up dead? Or do you not know the names BM passed off? | ||
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On January 23 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote: 4 jayjay + Show Spoiler + [15:02] <supersoft> scumteamtreffen im irc oder wat [15:02] <Toad|> ist immer so viel los [15:02] <supersoft> so also [15:02] <supersoft> gehn wirs mal an [15:02] <Toad|> nur eran ist neu für mich [15:02] <supersoft> ääh gib ma deine email [15:02] <supersoft> dann schick ich dir mal was rüber [15:02] <Toad|> erik-kalle@freenet.nde [15:02] <Toad|> @freenet.de [15:02] <supersoft> damit wir quasi simultan dran abreiten können [15:04] <supersoft> wer ist denn heute nach alles gestorben [15:04] <supersoft> ääg [15:04] <supersoft> icognito+ [15:05] <Toad|> ggq [15:05] <Toad|> protact [15:05] <Toad|> scamp [15:05] <supersoft> ggq [15:05] <supersoft> k [15:05] <Toad|> haste mir schon was geschickt? [15:06] <Toad|> bis jetzt is noch nichts da [15:06] <supersoft> so jetzt [15:06] <supersoft> habs grad ein wenig aktualisiert [15:06] <supersoft> das sind so 3 listen die ich am anfang mal angelegt habe [15:06] <supersoft> ich wollte die eigentlich immer mit denjenigen durchsprechen die ich gemasoend habe [15:06] <supersoft> unglücklicherweise [15:06] <supersoft> habe ich L und sandroba gewählt [15:07] <supersoft> die zwei waren halt nicht ganz so kooperativ [15:07] <supersoft> wie ich mir das vorgestellt hatte [15:07] <supersoft> und beide sind dann auch recht schnell gestorben [15:07] <supersoft> naja [15:07] <Toad|> hab immernoch meine probleme VE einzuschätzen [15:08] <Toad|> bei dem kerl krieg ich so die krise :p [15:08] <supersoft> ja warte [15:08] <supersoft> also mein plan ist folgender [15:08] <supersoft> jeder typ [15:08] <supersoft> der irgendwie was gutes gemacht hat [15:08] <supersoft> der wird mal rausgenommen [15:09] <Toad|> gut wie hat mafia gefunden oder gut wie er posted wie nen townie? [15:09] <supersoft> ganz genau [15:09] <supersoft> also [15:09] <supersoft> wer hat alles irgendwas geclaimed [15:10] <supersoft> VE war jack oder? [15:10] <Toad|> hiro / erandorr sind dt und denke confirmed town [15:10] <supersoft> jitsu glurio und BC sind mason [15:10] <supersoft> ja [15:10] <supersoft> hab ich blau in meiner liste [15:10] <supersoft> hast du sie inzwischen? [15:10] <Toad|> jojo [15:11] <supersoft> dann [15:11] <supersoft> ich hab grad mal alle wieder weiß gemacht [15:11] <supersoft> außer erandorr und kita [15:12] <supersoft> kita ist für mich deshalb town, [15:12] <supersoft> weil am anfang hat er ja als mayor kandidiert [15:12] <supersoft> und cyriandor hat ihn direkt fertig gemacht [15:12] <supersoft> und irgendwie geschrieben er will lieber sandroba oder palmar [15:12] <supersoft> palmar ist town [15:12] <Toad|> jo [15:13] <supersoft> und irgendwie war von vornherein nicht absehbar, dass er nicht kandidiert [15:13] <supersoft> und sandroba war mafia [15:13] <Toad|> denke auch kita ist town und habe nur mit einem post von ihm nem problem [15:13] <supersoft> welcher? [15:13] <Toad|> glaube er hat am anfang in seiner campagne gesagt "ich werde euch keine tipps geben wie man blues spielt und euch nicht sagen dass man als vig nicht d1 schießen soll" [15:13] <Toad|> sowas in der art [15:14] <supersoft> ja [15:14] <supersoft> gut [15:14] <Toad|> impliziert natürlich ziemlich hart dass er es gerade doch tut [15:14] <supersoft> das ist halt so geschwätze [15:14] <Toad|> und gerade mit dem ganzen bluesniping hier [15:14] <supersoft> das stimmt schon von den masons haben sie noch keinen abgeknallt [15:14] <supersoft> ist auch klar [15:14] <supersoft> weil ich gehe stark davon aus, [15:14] <supersoft> dass ihre masons alle geclaimed haben [15:14] <supersoft> und wenn sie jetzt die townmasons wegschiessen [15:15] <supersoft> dann bleiben nur ihre übrig [15:15] <supersoft> wäre natürlich scheisse [15:15] <Toad|> jo [15:15] <Toad|> aber krass wie viele vigs schon down sind [15:15] <supersoft> deshalb bin ich auch der ansicht, dass mindestens einer von glurio und jitsu mafia ist [15:15] <Toad|> da versteht jemand was er tut [15:16] <supersoft> 3 stück ne [15:16] <supersoft> ähm ach noch was wichtiges [15:16] <Toad|> glaube [15:16] <supersoft> hat incognito irgendwelche checks [15:16] <supersoft> so zwischen die zeilen geschrieben? [15:17] <Toad|> naja er hat nen paar reads gegeben die er nur wenig begründet hat [15:17] <supersoft> okay dann egal [15:17] <supersoft> schau dir mal jayjay an [15:17] <supersoft> was sagste? [15:17] <Toad|> jayjay ist klar town imo [15:18] <supersoft> gut [15:18] <supersoft> das sehe ich auch so [15:18] <Toad|> versucht ernsthaft zu helfen, ist wohl neu aber er ist offen mit dem was er sagt [15:18] <supersoft> p4ndemic [15:18] <supersoft> (abgesehen davon, dass er sich in mich verliebt hat) [15:18] <Toad|> p4n wird schon nen bissel komisch. würde eigentlich genau das selbe wie bei jj sagen aber er übertreibt es halt so krass [15:18] <supersoft> ja [15:19] <supersoft> nebenbei [15:19] <Toad|> würde auch town sagen [15:19] <supersoft> lass uns den log ins forum stellen [15:19] <supersoft> dann kann jayjay das ganze lesen [15:19] <supersoft> die andren verstehns nicht [15:19] <Toad|> jo [15:19] <supersoft> :D [15:19] <Toad|> kk [15:19] <supersoft> ist ganz praktisch [15:19] <supersoft> so holen wir ihn quasi in unser masonding mit rein [15:19] <Toad|> :D [15:20] <supersoft> so weiter [15:20] <supersoft> WBG [15:20] <Toad|> ja wbg ist natürlich total kacke für mich^^ [15:20] <Toad|> also da neutral zu bleiben [15:21] <supersoft> versuch mal objektiv was zu sagen [15:21] <supersoft> ich hab mir meine gedanken über ihn gemacht [15:21] <supersoft> :D [15:21] <supersoft> ich muss dich ja auch ein bisschen testen ;-) [15:22] <Toad|> also ich denke dass er extrem tunnelt, denkt er sei extrem richtig und generell nicht viel auf andere hört [15:22] <Toad|> aber das macht er soweit ich weiß als townie auhc [15:22] <supersoft> jaaa [15:22] <supersoft> also [15:22] <supersoft> was wbg macht [15:22] <Toad|> habe seinen filter gelesen und abgesehen von der tatsache dass er mich so extrem tunnelt nur weil er mir den d1 read auf palmar nicht gegeben hat hab ich nichts gefunden dass ihn als mafia wirken lässt [15:22] <supersoft> wenn er mafia ist [15:22] <supersoft> er schleimt sich bei leuten ein [15:23] <Toad|> jo also wie gesagt, er ist extrem komisch und wenn wir 8 mafias gekriegt haben und nicht mehr weiter wissen hab ich nichts dagegen ihn zu lynchen [15:23] <Toad|> aber vorher sage ich, dass er town ist [15:24] <supersoft> also [15:24] <supersoft> ich hatte eigentlich auch diesen eindruck [15:25] <supersoft> dass er eher town ist [15:25] <supersoft> was mir gar nicht gefällt [15:25] <Toad|> ach da fällt mir gerade ein [15:25] <Toad|> es gab auch bei ihm eigentlich nur einen post der mir nicht gefallen hat [15:25] <supersoft> ja [15:25] <supersoft> der eine in dem er uns drei erwähnt [15:25] <supersoft> ich schau grad [15:25] <supersoft> der ist extrem sonderbar [15:25] <Toad|> irgendwo hat er postet "sandroba hat gemeint 'toad, SS und wbg need to get off my balls'" [15:25] <Toad|> genau [15:25] <supersoft> haha schon [15:26] <supersoft> ich muss nur mal schaun [15:26] <supersoft> ob er das eher auf dich bezieht [15:26] <Toad|> wirkt so extrem gekünstelt als ob er unbedingt towncred braucht [15:26] <supersoft> und meint er selbst wäre in bezug auf dich falsch [15:26] <supersoft> ja [15:26] <supersoft> oder so [15:26] <supersoft> warte [15:26] <supersoft> es kann sein, dass ers einfach unglücklich formuliert hat [15:27] <Toad|> ja es stach halt komplett raus für mich [15:27] <Toad|> er ist 3 tage an meinem hintern und verfolgt mich wie verrückt [15:27] <Toad|> posted dann plötzlich "ach übrigens das lässt uns 3 gut ausschaun" [15:27] <Toad|> und macht weiter mit seiner tunnelei gegen mich [15:27] <supersoft> ja [15:27] <supersoft> nee [15:28] <supersoft> das ist schlecht formuliert [15:28] <supersoft> er bringt das eher so als argument [15:28] <supersoft> gegen uns [15:28] <supersoft> als [15:28] <supersoft> o [15:28] <Toad|> haste mal nen link? [15:28] <supersoft> dagegen, dass wir beide mafia sind [15:28] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=60039¤tpage=All [15:28] <supersoft> untere 10% [15:28] <supersoft> der seite [15:29] <Toad|> wieso klappt ctrl+f nicht mehr 8( [15:30] <supersoft> ich habs mal gequotet [15:30] <supersoft> und ihn gefragt [15:30] <supersoft> wie er das so meint [15:31] <supersoft> warten wirs mal ab [15:31] <supersoft> was er darauf antwortet. [15:31] <supersoft> weiter im text [15:31] <Toad|> jo [15:31] <supersoft> risk.nuke [15:31] <Toad|> also wenn er es echt "gut" meint ist das doof :p [15:31] <supersoft> was sagste [15:31] <Toad|> schwer, hatte nen d1 read [15:31] <Toad|> d1 town read [15:31] <supersoft> alles klar [15:31] <Toad|> einfach weil ich nicht glaube, dass nen mafia so ne mayor kampagne bringen würde [15:32] <supersoft> sehe ich auch so [15:32] <supersoft> ja [15:32] <supersoft> risk.nuke ist nicht der hellste [15:32] <supersoft> aber nichtsdestotrotz krass selbstbewusst [15:32] <supersoft> irgendwie flacht seine aktivität gerade ziemlich ab [15:32] <Toad|> jo [15:32] <supersoft> liegt vielleicht an der größe des spiels [15:33] <supersoft> er ist wahrscheinich etwas überfordert [15:33] <Toad|> ab d3 hab ich auch mafia reads gekriegt von im [15:33] <supersoft> und findet gerade keinen den er tunneln kann [15:33] <supersoft> jaa muss aber nicht sein [15:33] <supersoft> ich würde sagen town [15:33] <supersoft> einfach nutzlos [15:33] <Toad|> naja das problem an dem d1 read ist halt, dass wenn er echt mafia ist [15:33] <supersoft> dann wäre er gut [15:33] <supersoft> :D [15:33] <Toad|> dann kann genauso gut wer andres ihm gesagt haben was er machen soll [15:33] <supersoft> nee [15:34] <supersoft> den käse da hat er selbst fabriziert [15:34] <supersoft> weil [15:34] <Toad|> :p [15:34] <supersoft> es ist ja klar [15:34] <supersoft> den wählt ja keiner [15:34] <supersoft> ka warum sollte das scumteam den dann in den krieg schicken [15:34] <supersoft> wenn er eh nix reißt [15:34] <supersoft> im prinzip war das wohl irgendwie so ne aktion [15:34] <Toad|> eben genau um so leute wie dich und mich zu verwirren ;d [15:34] <supersoft> die keiner außer ihm selbst versteht [15:34] <supersoft> jaa [15:34] <Toad|> aber jo denke auch das macht wenig sinn [15:35] <Toad|> ist halt risiko instant 1 mafia buddy zu verlieren [15:35] <supersoft> jaa [15:35] <supersoft> der ist halt einfach so [15:35] <Toad|> und wenn es klappt hat man nen noob der wie nen townie ausschaut wohoo [15:35] <supersoft> in electionmafia [15:35] <supersoft> ist er auch total steil gegangen [15:35] <supersoft> weil er dachte ich hätte 3 meiner teammates gebusst [15:36] <supersoft> (wie auch immer man das auf deutsch sagt) [15:36] <supersoft> "ans messer geliefert" [15:36] <supersoft> nur um towncred zu bekommen [15:36] <supersoft> also der knabe [15:36] <supersoft> ist jenseits von gut und böse [15:36] <Toad|> ach da das ja auch deutsch ist muss man auch nicht aufpassen wen man hier beleidigt und wen nicht :p [15:37] <Toad|> außer natürlich jayjay: wenn du das ließt, du bist ganz toll :3 [15:37] <Toad|> aber ja, risk ist townie read für mich, nicht der sicherste aber denke doch dass ich da recht habe [15:38] <supersoft> ach [15:38] <supersoft> lese gerade [15:38] <supersoft> opz is auch mason [15:38] <Toad|> hast du irgend ne reiheinfolge in der du durch gehst? [15:38] <Toad|> jo [15:38] <supersoft> ähm nö [15:38] <supersoft> ist zufall :D [15:38] <supersoft> cshlag du den nächsten vor [15:39] <Toad|> alles lurker oder vets übrig...^^ [15:39] <supersoft> scheisse [15:39] <Toad|> mit nisani hab ich meine probleme [15:39] <supersoft> ja [15:39] <Toad|> was hälst du von ihm? [15:39] <supersoft> den kann man einfach mal weglynchen [15:39] <Toad|> also den kann ich halt überhaupt nicht einschätzen [15:39] <supersoft> keine frage [15:40] <supersoft> ach [15:41] <supersoft> du hast da irgendwo geschrieben [15:41] <supersoft> du wärst blau [15:41] <Toad|> bin VET [15:41] <Toad|> wenn du das meinst [15:41] <supersoft> "I know I'm blue as well" [15:41] <Toad|> hab ich auch im thread geclaimed [15:41] <supersoft> k [15:41] <supersoft> verstehe [15:41] <supersoft> ach [15:41] <supersoft> ich komm nicht hinterher [15:41] <supersoft> mit den ganzen claims [15:42] <supersoft> we hat denn noch irgendwas geclaimed [15:42] <Toad|> ja [15:42] <Toad|> hab mir alle aufgeschrieben bei mir [15:42] <Toad|> aber kann ctrl+f aus irgend nem grund nicht benutzen sonst würde ich einfach claim suchen 8( [15:43] <supersoft> jo macht nix [15:43] <supersoft> okay [15:43] <supersoft> ähm ja [15:44] <Toad|> jetzt wirds so langsam schwerer :D [15:44] <supersoft> wür müssen uns dann wohl ode übel durch die lurker durchqühlen [15:44] <supersoft> w [15:44] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=52329 [15:44] <Toad|> lanaia würde ich noch nen townread geben [15:44] <supersoft> go [15:44] <supersoft> ja [15:44] <supersoft> das mädel [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:44] <supersoft> so lustig [15:44] <supersoft> ich hab in nem andren spiel [15:44] <Toad|> also die ist halt einfach so wishy-washy [15:44] <supersoft> JA [15:44] <supersoft> ist die aber immer! [15:44] <Toad|> mit wenig selbstvertrauen so wies ausschaut [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:45] <supersoft> jajaja [15:45] <supersoft> süß [15:45] <Toad|> aber genau das hat sie auch als town gemacht im XLVIII [15:45] <supersoft> ich wüsste gerne mal wie sie aussieht [15:45] <supersoft> bestimmt nix [15:45] <supersoft> :-/ [15:45] <supersoft> aber okay [15:45] <supersoft> picks or lynch [15:45] <supersoft> oder sowas [15:45] <supersoft> wäre doch mal gut [15:45] <supersoft> jaj22 [15:45] <Toad|> ? [15:45] <supersoft> go for it [15:46] <Toad|> was ist picks or lynch [15:46] <supersoft> äh [15:46] <supersoft> ohne k [15:46] <supersoft> lol [15:46] <Toad|> soll ich sagen ob ich ihn lynchen will? [15:46] <supersoft> nein mann [15:46] <supersoft> :D [15:46] <supersoft> ich meinte [15:46] <supersoft> Bilder posten oder lynch [15:46] <supersoft> in bezug auf lanaia [15:46] <Toad|> aso [15:46] <Toad|> 8( [15:46] <supersoft> dude [15:47] <Toad|> ja dachte du bist schon bei jaj22 [15:47] <supersoft> nee [15:47] <supersoft> aber bei dem bin ich jetzt [15:47] <supersoft> schau mal her [15:47] <supersoft> was er über sandroba sagt [15:47] <supersoft> yeah [15:48] <Toad|> wann hat er eingewechselt? [15:48] <Toad|> d2? [15:48] <supersoft> ach [15:48] <supersoft> für wen ist der eingewechselt? [15:48] <supersoft> so ein scheiss [15:48] <supersoft> :D [15:48] <supersoft> ich dachte schon [15:48] <supersoft> lolol steigt er einfach mal mit so nem sandroba macpop defense post ein [15:49] <Toad|> hab grad kein peil für wen er eingestiegen ist [15:49] <Toad|> warte müsste den post gespeichert haben irgendwo [15:50] <Toad|> oder auch nicht [15:50] <supersoft> ja egal [15:50] <supersoft> jedenfalls [15:50] <supersoft> defendet er 2 mafialeute [15:51] <supersoft> und schreibt bei GGQ eine treffende einschätzung [15:51] <supersoft> ohne jegliche analyse [15:51] <Toad|> jo [15:51] <Toad|> das hat dich und wbg aber auch schon dazu gebracht zu denken ich sei mafia :p [15:52] <Toad|> also ich bin bis jetzt davon ausgegangen, dass jaj22 townie sei [15:52] <supersoft> sieht aber nicht so aus [15:52] <supersoft> wenn man seinen filter liest [15:52] <supersoft> :D [15:52] <Toad|> also auch als er meinte "@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early." [15:52] <Toad|> glaubst du nen mafia würde sowas sagen? [15:53] <Toad|> die wollen ihre votes doch irgendwo unterbringen und er erinnert mich daran, dass es nicht extended majority ist? [15:54] <supersoft> äh [15:54] <supersoft> ja ka [15:54] <supersoft> warum nicht [15:55] <supersoft> ist ja nur so allgemeines blabla [15:55] <supersoft> das geht immer gut [15:55] <Toad|> auch wahr [15:55] <supersoft> als ob sich irgendeiner an solche sachen halten würde [15:55] <supersoft> das ist immer so [15:55] <supersoft> wenn irgendeiner einen plan macht [15:55] <supersoft> dann wird der niemals umgesetzt [15:55] <Toad|> naja er stellt halt viele fragen [15:56] <Toad|> hat keine angst davor jemanden anzugreifen [15:56] <supersoft> warte wo [15:56] <Toad|> naja er sagt zumindest paar mal dass ich schwachsinn poste [15:57] <supersoft> ja [15:57] <Toad|> also vonwegen modhunting [15:57] <supersoft> naja [15:57] <supersoft> dann warts ab [15:57] <supersoft> hier wirds ihm auch irgendwann alles zu heiß [15:57] <supersoft> und er schwenkt um und schlägt auf sandro ein [15:57] <supersoft> das wars dann aber auch mit der aktivität [15:57] <supersoft> :D [15:57] <supersoft> ja [15:58] <supersoft> was hälst du von orange [15:58] <supersoft> also so vorstufe von mafia? [15:58] <Toad|> " [15:58] <Toad|> What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post." [15:58] <Toad|> nach protacts case gegen mich [15:58] <Toad|> weil protact meinte ich sei mafia, sandroba sei mafia, ggq sei mafia und macpo sei mafia [15:58] <Toad|> was halt überhaupt keinen sinn gemacht hat [15:58] <supersoft> geht [15:58] <supersoft> lol [15:59] <Toad|> aber gut orange ist in ordnung [15:59] <Toad|> gott jetzt muss ich aber wissen für wen er replaced hat 8( [16:00] <supersoft> ja [16:00] <supersoft> schon [16:00] <supersoft> ich bin auch verwirrt [16:00] <supersoft> zeks? [16:01] <Toad|> lol [16:01] <Toad|> beide gleichzeitig gefragt [16:01] <supersoft> das war dumm :D [16:01] <supersoft> wobei geht [16:01] <Toad|> jetzt weiß jeder dass du mich gemasont hast [16:01] <supersoft> wir posten ja eh den log [16:01] <Toad|> naja wer dein log gelesen hat hat das auch mitgekriegt [16:01] <Toad|> naja wer dein log gelesen hat hat das auch mitgekriegt [16:02] <supersoft> möglich ^_^ [16:02] <supersoft> ich poste den log mal für jayjay in den thread. Vielleicht ist er ja da und kann schon was ergänzend beitragen Great. Not only do we have to find scum we also have two Germans plotting global domination. | ||
Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 23 2012 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If the mafia has an rber, can they rb the same person two nights in a row? I see no restrictions on the role. Mafia Roleblocker Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:44 Toadesstern wrote: 1) yeah if they thought so they would have thought it's #2 2) yeah if they thought THAT they would have rb-ed him while shooting because rb eliminates the 2nd live 3) that could be true 4) everyone knows mafia has 1 RB as far as I can see. No it doesn't Mafia Roleblocker Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2012 11:23 Toadesstern wrote: however I could translate the first one if you want me to. As already mentioned it's really not too hard to understand what's in there if you really want to. You just ctrl+f a name and google-translate that passage. So I don't see harm in translating that because mafia already has that information if they really want to know. Really? | ||
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On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote: I'm a doctor I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness say goodbye to your protection folks I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched adios You have 2 body guards. Are they both scum? If you're town do you suspect that they are? If you're scum I don't care about your answer. But you are going to die today. If you're town shame on you. If you're scum go rot in a corner. | ||
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On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote: Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. If both BGs are scum, scum can kill the mayor. | ||
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On January 24 2012 02:54 Jitsu wrote: We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact. Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense. My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny. I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either. If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters. | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. If we are both alive at the beginning of the next day cycle would you mason me? | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:55 Bill Murray wrote: i don't lie as mafia amateurs | ||
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On January 24 2012 05:17 glurio wrote: I'll make a post later this evening before i go to sleep, got some things to attend to right now. Weekly scum meeting? | ||
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On January 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote: hiro protagonist, WBG, BrownBear, BM, Foolishness, risk.nuke That's where I'm at guys. If BM flips town, BC goes where he's at. Foolish and risk I'm less sure on. I'll be putting this list on every page that occurs between now and tomorrow morning. So don't bother spamming it out of sight scum, it's useless. Where's he at?????? And I still think you're scummy. | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:01 EchelonTee wrote: The continuous log posting by BC is honestly pretty good evidence; BM's flip will tell more but atm, is anyone really believing BM? ...no one has really commented on BM's past, but if this is his "town" play I shudder to see him as mafia. People discrediting BC, you're running off of weak grounds tbh. How has meapak been erased from people's radars? A lot of people seemed very sure of his redness a few days ago. What will BMs flip tell us? If he's town what does that tell? If he's scum what does that tell? | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I don't care. I'm around because scum want to see me lynched...so if you wanna play the "I still think you're scummy" card, put a vote down or shut up about it. Ooooohhhhh. Eventually. | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I meant that if BM flips town, then BC belongs where BM is at on my list because I believe that one of them is scum. So answer me this. If BM is town how does that make BC scummy? Cause I'm pretty sure the safer bet is if BM is scum so is BC. We have no dead bodyguards. If BM is red and BC is green we would have at least one dead one by now if the body guards are town. The only thing with anycertainty I can get out of this lynch is that whatever BM is BC and his body guards are the same. | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:15 jaj22 wrote: Wondering about the BM meta thing yet again, so I compiled a list of the opinions of veterans who I think have played with Bill. Correct me if I'm wrong: Kitaman: Reckons he's scum. Foolishness: Reckons he's scum. Protactinium: Reckons he's scum. Brownbear: Reckons he's unreadable (day 4), switched vote to him silently six hours later. OpZ: Reckoned he was plausible town-BM (late day 2). I think OpZ and Brownbear are scum anyway, so the most likely conclusion is that Bill Murray is scum too. I played with BM once. I instigated a fight with him to get him modkilled. Not my finest moment here. | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:21 Jayjay54 wrote: if both are scum, why would they switch the bodyguards? There is no benefit. I'd keep them blue and kill one at some point. Yes. Goes to my point that what BM is BC is most likely as well | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I think they're different alignments based on conversations I've had with BC. Where do you stand on WBG Jackal, now that you're here and talkative? He hasn't called me useless yet. If I had another bullet I'd shoot him. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:14 Slardar wrote: Yeah, TSN Turning Point provided by none other than Jackal58. What prompted you to shoot him Jackal? Proactinium. I read L's filter and realized that in all of his posts he actually said absolutely nothing. Boil it all down and you got "Duh". Incog apparently came to the same conclusion at about the same time I did. I was seriously considering waiting another day but I figured there was a pretty good chance I'd get lynched since I was on the same list he had L on. I also briefly considered shooting VE. But his filter wasn't anything at all like L's. So instead of shooting him I just started calling him scum. If VE was scum he would have a major meltdown around the 3rd time I fos'd him. He never did so I was pretty sure he was town. But it was still fun calling him scum. I can't believe people still thought I was scum after shooting their Godfather. | ||
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On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote: Annnnd back on hiatus. You're safe. I only had 1 bullet. | ||
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On January 25 2012 01:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: As scum I think I played quite badly. Sheth picked up on that.That goes to show sc2 players are not that stupid. I kept bussing partly because it was inevitable, partly to make cases down the line stronger. I realize it's not simple to get out of your cell as mafia and go finger random guys.Even if you think like a townie, I felt that there were a few subtleties I couldn't grasp. Playing scum is hard. Harder than being a townie. You are the hunted. Hiding is next to impossible. That's the reason a lot of first time scum lurk. They think they're hiding. But really the best way to play is to hide in plain sight. Disagree with people. Push cases on town lurkers. Put out your own reads. Even on a teammate. Lie. Lie Lie. | ||
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On January 25 2012 02:18 EchelonTee wrote: Well played town. I only had a few hours day to day to read and analyze; I really didn't contribute much but my vote, as my reads were pretty abysmal. I was quite sure sandroba/bm were town D1/2, and the only reads I was sure of were town views on kita, meapak, CC, Adam, etc. Easily enough town gods foolishness/incog/BC destroyed the Mafia.... in big games, if the mafia plays terribad, lowly inexperienced analysts such as myself aren't really needed. I had some posts prepared at various points in the game, but just looking over them I realize that stepping back and letting the town's well oiled machine run was better than mucking up things. I established my own town status decently enough; honestly was trying to look like a lurking blue but ah well. jayjay's play was really good. he's going to be great sometime. All in all I had a lot of fun, hope I didn't harm people's experience by low activity levels. was awesome seeing super protown in action. You were one of the people I wanted to talk to BC about if he masoned me. Along with Opz, Nisani, glurio, BrownBear and Lanaia. I knew Bum was scum the second he suggested I offed my own GF for townie points. Only pissed off scum would say that. I don't think I was even aware munk E was in the game. | ||
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I fell you pain man. Playing scum is hard enough but getting stuck with people that don't care or don't get it is extremely frustrating. Winning as the bad guys requires a team effort. On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote: Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol. Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town. I had written a 10,000 word essay directed at Ph3nom to try to explain to him why he was wrong. Every other word was "suck" or "fuck" so I just deleted it and went to bed. | ||
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