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Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 02:40 GMT

#2008

On January 17 2012 11:15 Foolishness wrote:

Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game.

In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these...

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...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game.

Hey Incog, I found another mafia!

this guy wants to lynch GGQ, someone incog thinks to be scum as well. So one of those 2 got to be wrong?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 02:46 GMT

#2011

On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
2 people who are masons are mafia together
the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information

I don't know if I like that
You're supporting a sandroba lynch, that's nice but what you're posting is not

could you give a little more explanation why you think a sandroba lynch is giving us information? I think so too but I'd like to hear it from you.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 02:59 GMT

#2022

On January 17 2012 11:55 Protactinium wrote:

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What is your point. Care to give any analysis? (other than sandroba, we've already heard enough of that).

you two say meapak is scum and you say GGQ is scum. Meapak wants GGQ to die. Something's wrong there unless meapak is know to do this.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 03:12 GMT

#2031

just give me a reason why you think my case on sandroba is retarded beyond belief.
So far some people said that be noone told me why without lying or misinterpreting what I said

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 03:13 GMT

#2033

On January 17 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote:
just give me a reason why you think my case on sandroba is retarded beyond belief.
So far some people said that but noone told me why without lying or misinterpreting what I said

EBWOP

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 03:33 GMT

#2055

On January 17 2012 12:27 Protactinium wrote:

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Your case is basically "sandroba is trolling, and he isn't playing like a saint." Doesn't mean he's mafia.

You also ignore the fact that sandroba supported my case on a confirmed mafia. As for the rest, I've already explained why the sandroba case is bad (responding to hiro progatonist's analysis). I really don't need to respond to every analysis on sandroba. Come back only after you've read my posts thoroughly.

see what I'm talking about? Either lies or misinterpreting

No my case is not about trolling it's about the fact that he dodging everything he can. He does not give explanations, he gives only very little reads and used humour to cover his lack of explanation. That's why I am mentioning the trolls because they're in places were you should simply write 2 or 3 lines to explain his thoughts. He refuses to do so.

And no I am not ignoring the case that he supported that case. He did that as well with annul and VE last game I was mafia with him. He is known to do that to screw with peoples reads. If people think he's mafia they think sandrobas reads are wrong => therefore saying a mafia is mafia makes people think his mafia buddy is town because people think he is town. He does that.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 04:07 GMT

#2066

idk VE, to me it looked like he's talking about probabilites but seems like noone's trusting me today so you probably don't want me to talk about it.
But yeah I don't know what to think about BM as well right now

I don't like sheriffing lanaia at all.
It's just a lot that sounds weird to some people (like what you mentioned). Don't know if that's a coincidence.

However I still can't forget what Protactiniumt asked me earlier:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote:

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On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content.
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[13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james
[13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me
[13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl
[13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr
[13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good

[13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed
[13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there?
[13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up
[13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am
[13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed
[13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up
[13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26
[13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic
[13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw?
[13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion
[13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games
[13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games
[13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months
[13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most
[13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh
[13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia
[13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do
[13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not
[13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_-
[13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh
[13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign
[13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar
[13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well
[13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now
[13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read
[13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself
[13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb
[13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet
[13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it
[13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread
[13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however
[13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness
[13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc...
[13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets
[13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post
[13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to
[13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly
[13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me?
[13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post
[13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post
[13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it
[13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm
[13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs
[13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs
[13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks
[13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people
[13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim
[13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op
[13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be
[13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs
[13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in
[13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total?
[13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba
[13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game
[13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan
[13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good
[13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs
[13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however
[13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not
[13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me
[13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia
[13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit
[13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do
[13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue
[13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go
[13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die"
[13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows
[13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool
[13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring
[13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most
[13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red
[13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now
[13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected
[13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover
[13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player
[13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are
[13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me
[13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure
[13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing
[13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more
[13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup
[13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think
[13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly
[13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others
[13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues
[13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game
[13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early
[13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree
[13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night
[13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you
[13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole
[13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player
[13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing
[13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work
[13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it
[13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep
[13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion
[13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key
[13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it
[13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up
[13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james:

its an annoying read
[13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours
[13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit
[13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim
[13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies
[13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny
[13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town
[13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use
[13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes
[13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason
[13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us
[13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times
[13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool
[13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance
[13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits
[13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town
[13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies
[13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well?
[13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role
[13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all
[13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form
[13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia
[13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue
[13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest
[13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks
[13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt
[13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think
[13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role
[13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected?
[13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated
[13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont
[13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl
[13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said
[13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you
[13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason"
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol
[13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red
[13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people
[13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself
[13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently
[13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over?
[13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight
[13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town
[13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way
[13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia
[13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also
[13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese
[13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad
[13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck
[13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my
[13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim
[13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for
[13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case
[13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too
[13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more
[13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red
[13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play
[13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him
[13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad
[13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible
[13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach
[13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic
[13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie
[13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact
[13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree
[13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up
[13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him
[13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town
[13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true
[13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb
[13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit
[13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do
[13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw
[13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons
[13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP
[13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec
[13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that
[13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose
[13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1
[13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd
[13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though
[13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it
[13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly
[13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon
[13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone
[13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to
[13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more
[13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night
[13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like
[13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it
[13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid
[13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town
[13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake?
[13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies
[13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers
[13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1
[13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game
[13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot'
[13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well
[13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game
[13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong
[13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game
[13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads
[13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1
[13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool
[13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play
[13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides
[13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere
[13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through
[13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes
[13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now
[13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha
[13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently
[14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here?
[14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now
[14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up
[14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40
[14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk
[14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow
[14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum
[14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia?
[14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow
[14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not
[14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac
[14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though
[14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious
[14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because
[14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though
[14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord
[14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell
[14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second
[14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me
[14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog
[14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town
[14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no
[14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean
[14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him
[14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game
[14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it
[14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia
[14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms
[14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid
[14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw
[14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I
[14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general
[14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons
[14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1
[14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah
[14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog
[14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just
[14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that
[14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway
[14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out
[14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit
[14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also
[14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast
[14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam
[14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg
[14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac
[14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor
[14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no
[14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link
[14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact
[14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds
[14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well
[14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog
[14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker
[14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm
[14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia
[14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively
[14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken
[14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts
[14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now
[14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog
[14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck
[14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view
[14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms
[14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\
[14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post
[14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it
[14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post?
[14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense
[14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening
[14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun
[14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw?
[14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time
[14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time
[14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now
[14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior
[14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful
[14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy
[14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb
[14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy
[14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs
[14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you
[14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz
[14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs
[14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me
[14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha
[14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye
[14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l
[14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good?
[14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't
[14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything
[14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet
[14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town
[14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia
[14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is
[14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup
[14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red
[14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is
[14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted
[14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be?
[14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L
[14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far
[14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3?
[14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia
[14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages]
[14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him
[14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game
[14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms
[14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl
[14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters
[14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play
[14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members
[14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it
[14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation?
[14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up
[14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets
[14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii
[14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it
[14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia
[14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red
[14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good
[14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving
[14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red
[14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning
[14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good!
[14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once
[14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice
[14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin
[14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes
[14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard"
[14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_-
[14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than
[14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op
[14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that
[14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception
[14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like
[14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P
[14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right?
[14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used
[14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently
[14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people?
[14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game
[14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post
[14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart
[14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia
[14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you
[14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden
[14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =)
[14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red
[14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno
[14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town
[14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good
[14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does
[14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience
[14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town
[14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red
[14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor
[14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's
[14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\
[14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay
[14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good
[14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome
[14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me
[14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched
[14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die
[14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always
[14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia
[14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck
[14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think
[14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy
[14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously
[14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me
[14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba
[14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote
[14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed
[14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread
[14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me
[14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office
[14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls
[14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort
[14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm
[14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed
[14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere
[14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol
[14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb
[14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing
[14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more
[14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss
[14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =)
[14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man
[14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long
[14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia
[14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game
[14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason
[14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game
[14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all
[14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch
[14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players?
[14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope
[14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now
[14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo
[14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo?
[14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6
[14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this
[14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint
[14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl
[14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac
[14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of?
[14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl
[14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up
[14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here?
[14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack
[14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck
[14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved
[14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =(
[14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night
[14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk
[14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind
[14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal?
[14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka
[14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw
[14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later
[14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog
[14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread
[14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then
[14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you
[14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts
[14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me
[14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man
[14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons
[14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck
[14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly
[14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people
[14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on
[14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1
[14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account
[14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure
[14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely
[14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive?
[14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted
[14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake
[14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power
[14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate?
[14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so
[14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly
[14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim
[14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you
[14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia
[14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly
[14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys
[14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason
[14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are
[14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known
[14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly
[14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though
[14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names
[14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too
[14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends
[14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha
[14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1
[14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me
[14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap
[14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling
[14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does
[14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him
[14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all
[14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia
[14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him
[14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by
[14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez
[14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes
[14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll
[14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town
[14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets
[14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry
[14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town
[14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point
[14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances
[14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot
[14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo
[14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who?
[14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis?
[14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later
[14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc
[14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway
[14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what
[14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58
[14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting
[14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce?
[14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works
[14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact
[14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see
[14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him
[14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people
[14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P
[14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch
[14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh
[14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me
[14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit
[14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world
[14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's
[14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully
[14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it
[14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made
[14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game
[14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented?
[14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell
[14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog
[14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better
[14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then
[14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him
[14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support
[14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of
[14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc"
[14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do
[14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1
[14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes
[14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad
[14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive
[14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1
[14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend?
[14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker?
[14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of
[14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs
[14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor
[14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread
[14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time
[14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll
[14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone
[14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: ....................
[14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't
[14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg
[14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten
[14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen
[14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT
[14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie
[14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh
[14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that
[14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like
[14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead
[14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post
[14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline
[14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not
[14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me
[14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results
[14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure
[14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere
[14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die
[14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan
[14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know
[14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know
[14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s
[14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik
[14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol*
[14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man
[14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100%
[14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info
[14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs
[14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb
[14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious
[14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to
[14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you
[14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him?
[14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town
[14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz
[14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red
[14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red
[14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red
[14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive
[14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red
[14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are
[14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless
[14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds
[14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case
[14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out
[14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected
[14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch
[14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough
[14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right?
[14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check
[14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi
[14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also
[14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me
[14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm
[14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%?
[14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no
[14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles
[14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets
[14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those
[14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont
[14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember
[14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar
[14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd
[14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red
[14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done
[14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts
[14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all
[14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote
[14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that
[14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll
[14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar
[14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum
[14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later
[12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back
[12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched
[12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller
[12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think
[12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that
[12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/
[12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread
[12:12:23 AM] james: lol
[12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread
[12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked
[12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man
[12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller
[12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad
[12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll
[12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia
[12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still
[12:14:14 AM] james: on incog
[12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game
[12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town
[12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop
[12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason
[12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[12:15:09 AM] james: from me
[12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else?
[12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that
[12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town
[12:15:23 AM] james: nah
[12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run
[12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia
[12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam
[12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me
[12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh
[12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion
[12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player
[12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia
[12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are
[12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad"
[12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in
[12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat
[12:16:14 AM] james: lol
[12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can
[12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off
[12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral
[12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way
[12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not
[12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair
[12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment
[12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be
[12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play
[12:17:38 AM] james: as red
[12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories
[12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx
[12:18:22 AM] james: lol
[12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong
[12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth
[12:18:52 AM] james: usually
[12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players
[12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah
[12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play
[12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up
[12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't
[12:19:15 AM] james: ace does
[12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying
[12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace
[12:19:31 AM] james: lol
[12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit
[12:19:36 AM] james: in the open
[12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia
[12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him

[12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there
[12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience
[12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him
[12:20:13 AM] james: hard
[12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean
[12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right
[12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ
[12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too
[12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed
[12:20:28 AM] james: lol
[12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot
[12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot
[12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep
[12:22:16 AM] james: haha
[12:22:17 AM] james: then crash
[12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today
[12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie
[12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man
[11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk?
[11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day?
[11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over.
[11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks.
[5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes

Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread.

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But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba.

Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it.

There is still no possibility for this OMGUS to be true.

1) He states that he does not believe that I am able to read what I said out of what Sandroba posted (important!)
2) He says he does not think I am bussing my mafia buddy
3) !!!Assumption of my own!!!: I don't think that he thinks BC is mafia

How in the world am I supposed to get that information I should not possess? Because you think that makes me look strange.
If I am a mafia and asked my mafia buddy to give me the logs (eitehr BC or Sandroba) this makes sense, because I could read the logs and therefor know what's inside the logs. However he said that's bullshit and said I'm bullshitting a townie into death. So impossible according to him.
Furthermore he tells me that I'm not having that good intuition to read that out of sandroba. Guess what when I am mafia and sandroba is town (because you don't think I'm bussing him) he's not going to give me his logs. Asking would be against the rules in the first place unless I'm another mason (sandroba do me a favor and tell him I did not mason or somehow contact you outside this game, BC the same)

Yeah I know you did not want to talk about it and maybe I know why but please, give me just one single plausible solution to this problem: How did I get that information I am not supposed to possess if you don't think I have the same alignment as sandroba.
Did I ask Santa to give me the logs?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 04:17 GMT

#2070

On January 17 2012 12:54 Protactinium wrote:

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Interestingly, you never once mention in your analysis that sandroba is "dodging". If your case isn't about trolling, why do I see a bunch of random sandroba quotes followed by the commentary "troll". You never definitively give a conclusion to your analysis as to what the summary points of your case are, because quite frankly you are all over the place and its hard to get your main points. And yeah, that just means sandroba isn't playing like a saint. Sandroba doesn't explain Ciryandor in much detail, but he doesn't have to. I already analyzed him. No need to repeat the same stuff over and over.

You are also wrong that this is the same case as TL Mafia XLVIII. The important thing is not that he attacks Ciryandor, but HOW he does it. In XLVIII, Sandroba jumps on annul when annul is already a big topic of discussion and he is already getting votes. In this game, Sandroba jumps on Ciryandor when the case is dead and buried. HUGE difference there.

Quit saying that I'm lying and misinterpreting when you don't even properly conclude your "analysis" or attempt to clarify your main points. If all you're going to say about a post is "troll" don't even mention it. It just distracts from your argument.

read the very first part of my case again and when you come back and still tell me what you just posted I'm going to lynch you:

Toads case
I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big:

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EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing.

That is the very beginning of my post except for the little part early on ( "how is it even possible to have so little support for sandroba after we had so many people who said that they'd be all over sandroba the last 2 days?").
Sandroba says

He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit.

Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs".

This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely.

That is what he accuses GGQ to do and I said sandroba does exactly the same. How did I NOT tell I am talking about (let's quote again)

He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 04:26 GMT

#2073

anyways I'm going to bed now. If sandroba has not enough votes tomorrow I'll consider lynching someone else to denie mafia the possibility to screw the election. The moment I see GGQ flip green I'm going to get sandroba lynched as well as everyone else who was trying to protect sandroba (like wbg and Protactinium).
I hope for your good and my sanity that I'm wrong on sandroba and really am a moron. Because if I see sandroba red I'm going to get mad.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 13:34 GMT

#2146

Ok I'm awake / re.

As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 14:04 GMT

#2148

On January 17 2012 23:01 kingjames01 wrote:

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Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia.

FOS: Toadesstern

awesome here we are again. This is not helping at all. Explain why you think so or it will make people think I'm town based of your the fact that your cheap post is looking pretty scummy too.
So if you really think so put at least some effort into it and explain why you think so instead of saying "yeah I think so" which is np to change later on because as soon as you see a flip you can always say "yeah told you so" or "sry I was wrong but it wasn't a strong read at all" because there's nothing into it.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 15:54 GMT

#2153

On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:

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Ok, so let's review.
You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo.

In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright?

Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo.

Because noone else is going to be lynched today. I'm not sure if Macpo is red yet. But what good is there in keep telling you guys to lynch sandroba if noones listening. If you don't want to lynch sandroba although he's mafia it's fine with me at this point. For my point of view I'm either spot on, right and some people here don't want you to believe me or I'm completly wrong.
First thing won't be solved befor we see a lynch, 2nd one is up to me.
What we're going to do? If the guy flips red we're going to lynch the next guy on the list of whoever suggested macpo first-ish.
If he flips green we're going to trust someone else and look exactly at who voted macpo and when.
You think I'm trying to get out of responsibility? I don't think I can get out of responsibility at this point in time and noone will think I am out of responsibilty if (and only if) sandroba flips green, which won't happen.
However, that's not going to be a problem for me. Noone cares about responsibility so far except for when it fits what they want to believe

Why do you want to lynch me if this guy flips green? I'm not even sure he's a red yet (I take it that sounds scummy to you and you don't think about what it could be else?), I even said so earlier and at this point I don't care at all because I simply failed to get you on my side so I might as well join the side I think is most likely green for me.
Now that you speak about responsibilty. What happens with wbg? I am a fairly new guy, yet I was able to tell him that his case on palmar is wrong because what palmar did fit his meta as well, just look at the game wbg co-hosted. WBG pushed a townie-lynch and you don't care about it. Yet you tell me that you want to lynch me because of some flip that has NOTHING to do with me and still has to come?
If I REALLY am a mafia willing to bus someone so easily or just get on a bandwagon I'm not dangerous at all, because I'd be trying to evade a lynch by exactly doing what town wants me to do.
So far wbg was wrong twice and both times a newby like me was able to see that comming before it even happened. He's wrong with me too, but you'll see that soon enough, especially if you really want to lynch me.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 15:58 GMT

#2154

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On January 18 2012 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:

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EBWOP: sry my bad. WBG was wrong once, not twice. He's wrong with his analysis on me, that's the 2nd thing I was referring to but you obviously can't see that. My bad

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 16:12 GMT

#2157

On January 18 2012 01:05 jaj22 wrote:
@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early.

I never said he is town. I'm leaning red on him, however I am sure sandroba is red. That's why I'd prefere a sandroba lynch but that's not going to happen. The point of switching is that it's going to give us less chaos. I want someone I think is at least a little scummy to be lynched and I don't want more people to interfere with it.
I was interfering with it because I think sandroba is the better lynch and noone has given me a single reason why my case is bad or wrong except for "the case is retarded" / "sandroba is a bad lynch". Nothing so far. That's why i kept pushing for it because noone gave me a reason to stop with it. Now I've got a reason to stop because he's not going to be lynched with so many people on someone else. It's pretty much the same as mayor candidates. If you don't get enough votes on someone near deadline you should consider voting someone else and stop running for mayor. I'm doing the same because at this point in time I am interferring with what most people think. That's not helping tow.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 16:17 GMT

#2159

I hoped VE would be shot

I still think he's either a vet/VT trying to be shot or a red :p

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 17:19 GMT

#2178

Has BC already told us who he masoned? I'd like to know if his claim is right. He doesn't have to tell us what he is doing in pm-land but is telling us the name of his "target" something that could backfire something? I can't see how that could do harm at all, but it could tell the rest of us a little bit about him because if the guy he is masoning tells us that's correct that's at least something.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 17:26 GMT

#2181

On January 18 2012 02:20 jaj22 wrote:

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Given the low vote count on the three main candidates (32 votes, 10 scum), it looks implausible that a mafia didn't get elected unless they really weren't trying. It's quite possible that mafia even spread their votes between (scum) BM and (town) BC on the basis that BC was going to lynch Protactinium or Palmar.

I'm going to say if sandroba really flips green (which I don't believe will happen) we fucked up big time because we've got 2 mafias in office.
If sandroba is red I'm willing to believe BM is green and BC is red.
If sandroba is green I'm willing to believe BM is red. But that's not telling us shit about BC at all. Could be mafia or green,

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 17:36 GMT

#2184

On January 18 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote:

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so you actually consider the logs to be faked? that's a metric fuck ton of work, you don't just "chat", you actually have to put a lot of effort in faking it that well.

kind of. I don' think they're faked but the timestamp might be. Remember I asked him early on to show his logs and he refused to do so and only posted them once the night started.
But yeah you're right that's pretty unlikely

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 18:29 GMT

#2190

On January 18 2012 02:42 Jayjay54 wrote:

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To me, the other extreme BC and sandro being green is bullshit as well, because all those plays were not really townfavoured to be developed by two townies => one of them is scum.

BM is a different story. Jitsu masoned with him. Jitsu? You in here? what's your take on BM after talking to him for like 30 hours.

That's what giving me problems. I thought d1 we either got 1 or maybe even 2 mafias out of the circle bum+sandroba+bc. I found it unlikely that it's both bc and sandroba at the same time and since sandroba is scum it's either only sandroba or sandroba + bum for me on d1.
However BM is giving me a red read today and I was on green about BM earlier. I can't judge BC right now without a sandroba lynch and I'd much rather not lynch into an office without having a proper case.
So that's in a nutshell what I'm having problems with today. I still think sandroba is mafia but I don't like the people that joined me at all. VE is still a fakeclaimer for me (I explained that earlier on and EVERYONE ignored it, at that point in time I figured because it's best for town to ignore it to get some wifom for mafia), he voted sandroba early on as well.
BM as mentioned gives me heavy mafia vibes right now and joined sandroba as well. Bum hasn't posted a lot and everyone in this thread says the case on sandroba is retarded without telling me why although I keep asking.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 17 2012 18:32 GMT

#2191

oh and the reason I'd rather lynch someone like sandroba instead of Macpo or GGQ is still that I'm not sure if I'm able to read them right. I never played with them. Are they new? Are they decent? Are they some kind of vets?
I don't think we should be lynching into a wonderbox of new players who are able to screw up as town big time but there's no point in trying to get another lynch now.

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