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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 16 2012 17:32 GMT
#1786
The interesting timing continues...
Jayjay, What's your opinion on Chaosquo? and on GGQ?

NK's usually have a lot of WIFOM, I hardly feel like that's something to base a whole argument on. And how did you manage to include math in that?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 16 2012 17:37 GMT
#1790
On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:
I know that I am against BC basically since he claimed his role, but based solely on the NKs there are quite a lot indicators that point against him. Also against sandro but he was masoned, maybe he was talked into that stuff. But I def feel that a Sandro lynch will help us out a lot. Case has been made. He doesn’t provide anything. He masoned BC. Even if he flips town, we would learn a lot about BC imo. There is no better choice right now.


When did Sandro mason BC? why are you willing to lynch someone who could very well be a townie? Why are you trying to stop conversation with 'the best choice right now' when we have a chance to find someone better?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 16 2012 17:40 GMT
#1791
Furthermore, exactly how much do you think lynching Sandroba will really tell us about BC's alignment?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#2133
after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 10:49 GMT
#2135
Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch
poor guy

But alright-
##Unvote
##Vote Macpo
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 11:47 GMT
#2143
On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:

-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech?


VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter.
Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT.
Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like.

You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 16:26 GMT
#2160
On January 18 2012 00:31 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 20:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:

-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech?


VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter.
Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT.
Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like.

You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet.


Show nested quote +
Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch
poor guy

But alright-
##Unvote
##Vote Macpo


What? Are you willing to vote to lynch a person you think is townie?

wat
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 16:30 GMT
#2162
I just realised, you conveniently left out the context. No wonder I don't remember thinking Macpo was town.

On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose.

The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 16:33 GMT
#2164
On January 18 2012 01:31 Jitsu wrote:
C_C, you said in you're post:

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 19:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch
poor guy

But alright-
##Unvote
##Vote Macpo


I might have read it wrong. Can you elaborate?

On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose.

[/QUOTE]
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 16:47 GMT
#2170
On January 18 2012 01:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Votes for Macpo (15)
Protactinium
Foolishness
Bill Murray
Scamp
Jitsu
Meapak_Ziphh
evantrees
Lanaia
bumatlarge
rgTheSchworz
Adam4167
Cyber_Cheese
Toadesstern
glurio
rtgICEMAN

Votes for sandroba (2)
hiro protagonist
Kenpachi

Votes for GGQ (1)
sandroba

Votes for Protactinium (3)
Nisani201
risk.nuke
~OpZ~

Votes for Bill Murray (1)
wherebugsgo

Votes for Kenpachi (1)
BrownBear

Votes for Jackal58 (2)
bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler

Votes for L (2)
kitaman27
kingjames01

Hey good, we’re finally agreeing on something.

Is it though?

There has never been so much agreement in a mafia game ever. It is the best bandwagon ever. And so convenient. He made some newbie posts and everybody is pointing at him. Mafia is just leaning back and letting us lynch the noob. There is no interference whatsoever. Either mafia has chosen to let him just die or he’s freaking newb townie! This will simply be mislynch.

Even worse, we’ll get ZERO information from a possible mislynch. Nada. “Hey everybody was agreeing. Yay. Let’s lynch him”. We’ll be as smart as we were before.

I realize that, I won’t get my BC vote…and not even sandrobar. But if we take a “lesser” player, let’s pick GGQ or chaos. If we mislynch here, we get information regarding sandros and chaos alignment.

Wake the fuck up, tow!

##Vote: GGQ


For now….if there is someone else gathering more votes, I’ll reconsider, because I think that mac is the wrong choice. No gain, mislynch and no information at all.

I have two problems with this.
1) Mafia could be bussing.
2) You pointing it out is a defence

However, what you say could carry weight, and at any rate he hasn't posted since page 80 so he might be eligible for a modkill today, and that really would be a waste of a lynch.
If people are up for Chaosquo lynch, I will swap back. I'd rather give GGQ longer and hope he comes back, or vig him.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 19:25 GMT
#2199
Everyone voting macpo, unvote, choose someone else. If he comes back aka avoids modkill, you can vote him again. In the meantime, ++ discussion.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 19:51 GMT
#2204
##Unvote
Had a few thoughts, will share once I organize them mentally.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 20:14 GMT
#2208
Adam4167 (Filter link)

On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote:
This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be:

Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Bodyguard
You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.


Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles.

Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic.

Nobody picked up on this. Not sure why it never garnered more discussion. It's fear mongering, to try and not protect the best scum-hunters what?
There were, and still are, a ton of options for dealing with this, which could leave town with trading 2 for 2 if both are replaced.

There seems to be a huge lack of content. This is his best post to date:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 15 2012 20:01 Adam4167 wrote:
Filter problems:
-glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s.
-Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s.

Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy?
- Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta).
- As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too.

Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this?
-Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy.

BM/BC being the elected pair?
-Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place.

Who would you look into lynching next and why?
-Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight.
-I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations.
-I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk.

Double Lynch tomorrow?
-Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing.

On another note:
-I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure.


But it only spawned because I specifically asked him about it.

On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:

-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech?


Why do you want my opinion on you?
If we were both town, How would that help us in any way shape or form?
It seems like an 'Am I hiding well?' type question.

On January 17 2012 19:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose.


Oh come on, that was fun ^^

Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date.

##Vote: Macpo

Shutting down discussion on candidates other than Macpo? My vote is definitely not necessary if we want Macpo lynched.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 20:21 GMT
#2211
I'm beginning to think Macpo is town. JayJay is right in that there is an abundance of candidates scum could mislynch today, being settled on one so soon feels off.
Again, I refer back to Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini.

And a couple of brief points on L:
-He mentions that there are a lot of candidates, and few votes on the leaders, so to fix it, he adds himself as another candidate? Those 'cloaked kingmakers' aren't necessarily bad, it's town trying to sort the candidates for the most part.
-Asking VE if he was going to shoot me, scum was probably already talking about NK's at that point. If I was being shot, they wouldn't need to shoot me.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#2213
I need sleep, just in case I oversleep, I'm happy with watching this guy bleed red.
##Vote Chaosquo
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 20:31 GMT
#2221
Wait, I feel like I just put two and two together. Maybe I should listen more.
Here's a train of thought;

BM calls Lanaia is scum.
BM protects Lanaia to 'reduce mafia KP', even though it didn't, nor could it have.

So what did it achieve?
It saved her from kp.

There were plenty of options, why Lanaia specifically?
Why does BM want to protect someone he has a scum read on?
I see scum buddies or blue hunting as possible reasons.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 20:35 GMT
#2225
I'd rather see what came of this than Chaosquo at this point, and I have bad feelings about both, so...
##Unvote
##Vote Bill Murray
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 21:03 GMT
#2242
On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else.

So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ.

Did you just completely dismiss the case on BM?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 17 2012 21:07 GMT
#2244
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2. Cwave replaced Refallen
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17. ~OpZ~
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26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia
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The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
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Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 02:18 GMT
#2329
On January 18 2012 10:57 Kenpachi wrote:
Alright, lets not vote double lynch.
BM still holds a strong role. I dont want you guys to make a stupid rash move as to lynching a potential townie in a highly favorable position

In other words, you're happy to see that the sheriff is scum eh?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
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