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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 20:15 GMT
#2954
I'm going to have to agree to disagree with your view of the game in that respect Proact, Foolish, and BC.

I stand firm that my logic is solid and that it can carry weight, and most importantly that a supersoft lynch looks to get a red as well as a sure tell on our mayor which is valuable. Join me town.

##vote Bill Murray and ##vote supersoft
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 20:31 GMT
#2967
On January 21 2012 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:15 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm going to have to agree to disagree with your view of the game in that respect Proact, Foolish, and BC.

I stand firm that my logic is solid and that it can carry weight, and most importantly that a supersoft lynch looks to get a red as well as a sure tell on our mayor which is valuable. Join me town.

##vote Bill Murray and ##vote supersoft

I can respect that but at least vote for kingjames instead of Bill Murray lol

You have my ear, but I'm not sure I'm exactly following. I don't have any familiarity with BM's style of play but his defense is so absurd I cannot see why it is better to vote kingjames over him. kingjames has been overzealous and has been attacking me based on absurd arguments but I still feel BM is the better lynch. I've been trying hard not to come down on him simply because he is so critical of me and that is why I haven't voted for him over the other two yet but maybe I'm overcompensating and he deserves it more than BM. What's the argument for kingjames > BM?
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 20:36 GMT
#2973
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 20:48 GMT
#2981
You guys have done very little talk in the thread about sandroba recently and if this is what you've suddenly come to why are you just dropping the case against BM like this? How is sandroba magically a better lynch now at this point in the game? How is kingjames a better lynch?

This triumvirate's actions are just puzzling and I simply can't fathom why you guys are acting this way as town. Surely you aren't all mafia but someone here is rotten. I dk this is driving me up a wall atm I need to get out of the house for a moment and do something else. I'll be back shortly in like 30 minutes to an hour.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:41 GMT
#2992
Very well put Jackal. Their reasoning is "well we don't want to risk the mad hatter claim being true" is just bogus because they put together a very solid case against BM and now they are acting irrationally in response to yet another irrational BM defense ploy. This all is oddly contrived.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:46 GMT
#2994
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:50 GMT
#2999
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.

Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:51 GMT
#3000
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 22:00 GMT
#3005
why would bill be actively trolling us like this? your argument for not voting for him is defining his play as anti-town but you qualify it by saying he is actual town that is trolling us? why are you ignoring the much more likely probability that he is mafia and his anti-town actions are anti-town because he is MAFIA?

seriously I don't have this mad history with BM is he capable of ruining games like this? I know he's been banned but is this really the more likely possibility right now?
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 22:03 GMT
#3008
I don't care how many mafia they caught I'm gonna call a fishy play fishy. I'm not calling for their lynch yet or anything. Cool your jets, but don't act like they are beyond questioning their motives.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 22:10 GMT
#3014
His only actual ban has been a 2 day that plexa gave him because of a mafia incident but I don't have any context as to what it is. Mafia matters are mostly carried out through mafia and I don't know any of what Bill's transgressions are. This is so frustrating that his bad history is coming into play like this to try to discredit a perfectly good lynch. If he acts like this as town he shouldn't be allowed back into games this is idiotic. If he is town won't he just get another ban immediately? If he cared enough to come back into this game why does he have motive to be an idiot again?

I'm not seeing this BM is a troll town case and this is feels like a cop out.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 23:14 GMT
#3052
flamewheel we could really really use a recount atm.

I'm pretty sure sandroba is actually going to be lynched as the current votes stand just by eyeballing it. Please the people who are saying "either sandroba is mafia or BC is mafia" go back and look at my filter and arguments for the supersoft lynch. If supersoft is mafia, (of which I'm like 99% on) then BC is ALSO mafia. Please don't hedge your bets by going for the either-or scenario when we can go 2/2 today and then have a solid follow-up lynch tomorrow. And don't let BM off the hook. He's putting on the charm now in the most crucial time but he's been anti town for ages now and this is a cheap ruse after all the shit he's pulled.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 00:09 GMT
#3076
Really hope its ok to post this in here at least as flamewheel isn't around atm I fear. Or he's too absorbed in DotA -_-

+ Show Spoiler [Unofficial Vote Count] +
Day 3 Double Lynch Vote Tally

Votes for Bill Murray (10)
Cyber_Cheese
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
p4NDemik
Nisani201
Jackal58
Cwave
glurio
risk.nuke
VisceraEyes

Votes for sandroba (15)
Toadesstern
Bill Murray
hiro protagonist
Nisani201
Protactinium
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Toadesstern
Jackal58
Bill Murray
Jayjay54
VisceraEyes
jaj22

Votes for GGQ (9)
Meapak_Ziphh
Jayjay54
Lanaia
Scamp
Cyber_Cheese
Slardar
vaderseven
kitaman27
Jitsu

Votes for kingjames01 (13)
Foolishness
hiro protagonist
Protactinium
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Scamp
Toadesstern
glurio
vaderseven
Slardar
jaj22
Bill Murray

Votes for Toadesstern (1)
wherebugsgo

Votes for supersoft (2)
p4NDemik
BrownBear

Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (2)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi

Votes for p4NDemik (1)
kingjames01

Votes for Kenpachi (1)
BrownBear

Votes for bumatlarge (1)
Kenpachi

Votes for Slardar (1)
Lanaia

Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
kitaman27

Votes for Double Lynch (3/20)
Protactinium
Cyber_Cheese
jaj22

I don't know how these ghosts of days past are gaining momentum but this makes no sense. We've had no analysis on these people. GGQ should not be close to kingjames at all. I've been successfully relegated to the "he's pro town, but his analysis is bad" zone -_-

Disappointing to see that so many are following sheepishly in this election. For the love of everything that is holy lets rally town. sandroba/GGQ are 2 day old theories that are stale and hollow, without significant analysis today. kingjames, BM, and supersoft have FRESH argumentation, logic, and activity/defenses to judge them on. They are mafia and we cannot let them off the hook lets go!
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 00:14 GMT
#3080
On January 21 2012 09:09 p4NDemik wrote:
Really hope its ok to post this in here at least as flamewheel isn't around atm I fear. Or he's too absorbed in DotA -_-

+ Show Spoiler [Unofficial Vote Count] +
Day 3 Double Lynch Vote Tally

Votes for Bill Murray (11)
Cyber_Cheese
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
p4NDemik
Nisani201
Jackal58
Cwave
glurio
risk.nuke
VisceraEyes
rgTheSchworz

Votes for sandroba (15)
Toadesstern
Bill Murray
hiro protagonist
Nisani201
Protactinium
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Toadesstern
Jackal58
Bill Murray
Jayjay54
VisceraEyes
jaj22

Votes for GGQ (9)
Meapak_Ziphh
Jayjay54
Lanaia
Scamp
Cyber_Cheese
Slardar
vaderseven
kitaman27
Jitsu

Votes for kingjames01 (15)
Foolishness
hiro protagonist
Protactinium
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Scamp
Toadesstern
glurio
vaderseven
Slardar
jaj22
Bill Murray
supersoft
rgTheSchworz

Votes for Toadesstern (1)
wherebugsgo

Votes for supersoft (2)
p4NDemik
BrownBear

Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (2)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi

Votes for p4NDemik (1)
kingjames01

Votes for Kenpachi (1)
BrownBear

Votes for bumatlarge (1)
Kenpachi

Votes for Slardar (1)
Lanaia

Votes for ~OpZ~ (2)
kitaman27
supersoft

Votes for Double Lynch (3/20)
Protactinium
Cyber_Cheese
jaj22

I don't know how these ghosts of days past are gaining momentum but this makes no sense. We've had no analysis on these people. GGQ should not be close to kingjames at all. I've been successfully relegated to the "he's pro town, but his analysis is bad" zone -_-

Disappointing to see that so many are following sheepishly in this election. For the love of everything that is holy lets rally town. sandroba/GGQ are 2 day old theories that are stale and hollow, without significant analysis today. kingjames, BM, and supersoft have FRESH argumentation, logic, and activity/defenses to judge them on. They are mafia and we cannot let them off the hook lets go!

+2 votes for kingjames, +1 for OpZ, and +1 for BillMurray in this, votes were added as I was tabulating
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 00:19 GMT
#3087
There are actually something like 15 votes that haven't been cast yet. we're at like 61 and there are 78 total votes. A lot can change. People we need to consolidate on KJ and BM here. They have been the strongest cases all day long and going for yesterday's 2nd best lynch on the whim of proact (even if he has a good track record) is not a wise move. Stay the course and vote BM out.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 00:23 GMT
#3089
Don't lynch lurkers over people we have made enormous headway in analyzing today.

BM gave up on this game at two different points, and had been expressing an incredible amount of apathy and irrational thought processes up until this play to go for sandroba. This is the last ditch effort of someone who decided he finally wanted to give a shit. Not the defense of genuine town. Throwing this away in favor of going for a lurker sandroba is irresponsible and can give a mafia BM another day to do as he pleases with immunity. Don't allow him this luxury. He has NOT earned it.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 01:29 GMT
#3151
On January 21 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
from our op
Show nested quote +
Framer
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like framed. When framing somebody, you can make them show up as any role that you would like to Detective checks. You may not frame the same person twice. You cannot frame yourself.


So the framer is not changing red / green but changing roles this game. Makes sense I guess.

I just played a game with the same rules where I was dt. Framer can alter both the role and the alignment of his target. He can make a green townie look like a Mafia Roleblocker and vice versa.

Millers just make the person show up as a Mafia Goon.

Hiro you've been a very green read for me all game and I trust what you are saying but I am still wary of miller/framer possibilities. Information on what his exact role was would be helpful.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 01:32 GMT
#3155
Yeah bum I think you missed a recent development.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 01:43 GMT
#3160
I really think it is far fetched that hiro is mafia. If he is they have been keeping this as a back up from the very beginning and I find that unlikely. He voted and made very firm posts against sandroba starting the night after he investigated him. He wasted absolutely no time today to put his vote on him today. Very unlikely they foresaw this scenario imo.

fuuuu why did he have to run to work without saying his role though T-T
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 01:54 GMT
#3163
Seriously guys if you are going to come out and you are a blue role like dt you need to give us all of your checks and details like roles. This is sloppy =/

Regardless, I can't see the merit of voting BM over sandroba in light of this information. I just wish we had all of the information. So much of this is riding on previous green read of you though since this outing post is less that 100% satisfactory. Whatever.

gonna ##unvote kingjames01, ##vote sandroba, and ##vote supersoft

I will continue to keep my vote for supersoft for reasons stated previously as kingjames is still in no danger or getting out of the gallows.
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