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On January 15 2012 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
May I ask why you believe him to be lying?
Well as I still want to know whats up with VE because I thought he's town early on and now I'm suspicious but still think he's town I might as well just ask him:
VE, you are (according to your claim) a joat. If i remember correctly from our most recent game as scum buddies we all were sitting in our irc chat. Remember when V7 came in and dayvigged someone? Everyone was like "ah nah, that's a lie" but suddenly annul got online and told us that it's not. He explained that the kill command / format / pattern usually is ++shoot (+ = #, trying to not screw with hosts ctrl+F ) but in this game however it was ++kill instead and V7 used that very pattern instead of shoot or vice versa. I don't recall it by heart right now.
You however came along with this
++Daykill: Cyber_Cheese
Now that's odd. Where do you take that pattern from if you're not a joat? In our joat-describtion there's no pattern to kill someone (according to page 1), yet that specific pattern is weird imo.
Furthermore, even if you ARE a joat that only has a night-vig, why should you have a pattern to dayvig someone send via pm from a host when it's a night-vig.
I'm trying to imagine this situation right now:
"herpederp, I'm going to shoot CC with my awesome dayvig powers, just checking my pm to check the format, ah right it was '++daykill: X'. Oh snap I am not a dayvig?"
If you're not a dayvig you can't have a pattern to dayvig someone in your pm so you made it up. Explain where I am wrong or tell me why you did that.
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also because someone mentioned it (think jayjay) if VE WOULD be a dayvig, shooting CC would be an awesome move.
This election is hard because we don't have flips and there's a lot of possibilities. I think sandro is pretty scumm atm for example. However, I'd like to see some flips that are in some way related to him or see himself flip to back that up.
If I got a flip that somehow tells me I am wrong about sandroba that'd be a huge deal.
Shooting d1 is dangerous but in this situation very much a good thing for town because of information gain imo.
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On January 15 2012 07:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
May I ask why you believe him to be lying? Well as I still want to know whats up with VE because I thought he's town early on and now I'm suspicious but still think he's town I might as well just ask him: VE, you are (according to your claim) a joat. If i remember correctly from our most recent game as scum buddies we all were sitting in our irc chat. Remember when V7 came in and dayvigged someone? Everyone was like "ah nah, that's a lie" but suddenly annul got online and told us that it's not. He explained that the kill command / format / pattern usually is ++shoot (+ = #, trying to not screw with hosts ctrl+F ) but in this game however it was ++kill instead and V7 used that very pattern instead of shoot or vice versa. I don't recall it by heart right now. You however came along with this Now that's odd. Where do you take that pattern from if you're not a joat? In our joat-describtion there's no pattern to kill someone (according to page 1), yet that specific pattern is weird imo. Furthermore, even if you ARE a joat that only has a night-vig, why should you have a pattern to dayvig someone send via pm from a host when it's a night-vig. I'm trying to imagine this situation right now: "herpederp, I'm going to shoot CC with my awesome dayvig powers, just checking my pm to check the format, ah right it was '++daykill: X'. Oh snap I am not a dayvig?" If you're not a dayvig you can't have a pattern to dayvig someone in your pm so you made it up. Explain where I am wrong or tell me why you did that.
I'm quoting myself because I still want an answer. If someone sees a mistake I did please tell me but that's the reason why I want to know what VE is up to.
I am not perfect so I could very well be wrong but I don't see it, so please VE, I want to know that.
you made your last post at 7:08 and I made my post at 7:08, just a mention :p
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you people need to realize that we need to get 2 or 3 people high on votes. We want to make it as hard as possible for mafia to screw this poll. If we end up having a lot of people who have 4 votes mafia can EASILY rig this election. So please, if you don't think the guy you're voting for has a fair chance at winning this election please try and conside voting someone else.
Sure that's a bad thing because from your point of view guy X is way better than guy Y, so why risk getting guy X into office when Y is way better.
However, if your vote turns out to be useless that's a vote that's helping scum because they need less people to rig this.
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On January 15 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Toad, the fact of the matter is that I acted rashly and did NOT check my role. I assumed about the day-kill command. I know you're disappointed about how stupid I am, but the fact of the matter is that it was a really REALLY stupid move on my part. I've endangered myself and weakened town as a result.
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I don't take that for a reason. I can think of 3 possible reasons right now. 1 of them is being red and since it's best for you to not talk about it in all 3 scenarios I'm ok with it. However I won't vote you and I don't want anyone else voting you because I still think you lied for whatever reason.
So that explains why I posted what I posted. I don't see think it has to be a red move yet, but I don't want you to be our mayor.
Do you know who you're going to vote for?
I'd also like to know who you'd lynch if you had to lynch someone else than CC and (perhaps?) Palmar.
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On January 15 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected?
Who are you looking at voting for?
I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office.
(this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain)
you think sandroba is town?
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I'm all up for a sandroba lynch. So that means I'm still sticking my vote on BM.
Cyri would be fine as well.
However I feel BC is a coinflip for me. I don't want him to be mayor at all and I still don't want to lynch palmar right now.
Conclusion: Bill murras is the way to go for me and I will try to make you unvote BC :p
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On January 15 2012 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 11:04 Nisani201 wrote:
ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i pressed post by accident...
Anyways, WBG, a case based entirely on meta IS invalid. If Palmar acts like this in D2, we can treat him like a lurker. We should all expect scumhunting from him tomorrow, but until then, the case on him is stupid. no, it isn't. It's not even completely based on meta. CC and Palmar just keep asserting that it's completely based on meta on the fact that I summed it up with one word, saying meta. The reason I summed it up was to bait to see if Palmar would spin that I had no case. He did exactly that. You don't find it weird that he wants VE in office despite calling VE bad over and over? What's the use of electing someone bad to an office that protects them? What's the use if VE would never get shot? Why would Palmar not run for office if he's town? Why would Palmar suddenly support Protact and provide no reason for it? Why is Palmar not scumhunting? Why is Palmar focusing so much on defending himself when it's only me who is attacking him? He focused on defending himself so much, in fact, that he's literally commented on nothing else. Which is not that shocking, I suppose, since he hasn't done anything to begin with. Why do Palmar's only two non-one-liner posts contain almost 100% fluff? None of these are meta reasons to kill Palmar, yet no one cares.
you think VE did a good job most recently? Because you're telling me to vote VE but I don't think he's up to the task.
To get this straight. I'm either spot on with my analysis because those 2 + BM are the 3 people I am considering to vote or I'm horribly wrong and am leading town to another lose because of townidiots (in this case I'd be one).
I think all 3 are probably town right now. But I think BM's better than VE in an office and I am horribly scared to vote Protact.
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On January 15 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 11:16 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 15 2012 11:04 Nisani201 wrote:
ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i pressed post by accident...
Anyways, WBG, a case based entirely on meta IS invalid. If Palmar acts like this in D2, we can treat him like a lurker. We should all expect scumhunting from him tomorrow, but until then, the case on him is stupid. no, it isn't. It's not even completely based on meta. CC and Palmar just keep asserting that it's completely based on meta on the fact that I summed it up with one word, saying meta. The reason I summed it up was to bait to see if Palmar would spin that I had no case. He did exactly that. You don't find it weird that he wants VE in office despite calling VE bad over and over? What's the use of electing someone bad to an office that protects them? What's the use if VE would never get shot? Why would Palmar not run for office if he's town? Why would Palmar suddenly support Protact and provide no reason for it? Why is Palmar not scumhunting? Why is Palmar focusing so much on defending himself when it's only me who is attacking him? He focused on defending himself so much, in fact, that he's literally commented on nothing else. Which is not that shocking, I suppose, since he hasn't done anything to begin with. Why do Palmar's only two non-one-liner posts contain almost 100% fluff? None of these are meta reasons to kill Palmar, yet no one cares. you think VE did a good job most recently? Because you're telling me to vote VE but I don't think he's up to the task. To get this straight. I'm either spot on with my analysis because those 2 + BM are the 3 people I am considering to vote or I'm horribly wrong and am leading town to another lose because of townidiots (in this case I'd be one). I think all 3 are probably town right now. But I think BM's better than VE in an office and I am horribly scared to vote Protact. where did I say I want people to vote VE? all the candidates suck right now, that's why I haven't voted yet. I almost wish I could abstain. I want to kill Palmar+Protact+opz. Probably kill VE too. BC is probably the safest bet at this point for office but I'm not feeling great about him either. I wish Foolishness would be a bit more active so I could actually talk to him, but w/e. Sandro why are you not doing anything? Who do you want lynched? Who do you think is scum?
oh it was OFF VE and protac :p
Yeah I get the feeling of not knowing who to vote as well. As mentioned VE is not going to get my vote, neither is protac although I got a slight townread on him, everyone else is even worse imo 
So BM is the only one left that has a chance I don't think lynching sandroba is bad at this point although it's a vet.
I'm not sure about VE yet. I'm giving him a 60/40 to end up being town but I definatly don't like his "oh guys I am so sry, I screwed this big time" talk.
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On January 15 2012 11:35 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected?
Who are you looking at voting for?
I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office.
(this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) The amount of people who voted you so quickly within such a short period of time bothered me. I know it wasn't enough to swing the vote, but it really rubbed me the wrong way. Dammit, I wish I'd not waffled so much in regards to switching my vote. Now, it's kinda too late. I really can't tell if this is my being paranoid or not.
if that's going to help you: even more people switched to protac shortly after people switched to wbg.
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On January 15 2012 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 11:42 Lanaia wrote:
Is protac in the lead, do we know?
ugh, there's no way WBG is going to win at this point. :/
In order to get someone into mayorship who I'm not going to be all paranoid about, I'd have to vote Bill Murray. I'm not 100% sure that is the best for us, though. Then again, I really don't know much about him.
I'm actually fighting so hard with myself here.
WBG, who do you think would be our best bet right now? I'm not seeing your vote in the vote thread for some reason (unless you haven't voted which would make sense). I haven't voted. I'm thinking about voting BC. As I've said repeatedly, I don't like any of the candidacies. Bill Murray is a bad candidate. Who is he even going to lynch? None of the proposed lynch candidates are any good. None of the reasons for mayorship are good either. I'd like to vote BC because he looks the most townie of the people who have run and he's the most likely to get shot as well. I would vote for Foolishness if he actually had a chance at becoming mayor. Although, at this point, as usual he has done very little so his alignment is still unknown. Mafia will definitely shoot him n1 if he's town, though.
as mentioned earlier I don't really vote into that triangle-of-I-don't-know, namly: Bum + BC + Sandroba
My guess is that 1 or maybe even two out of those are scum.
As far as I know bum said he likes sandroba and Palmar first, voted kita next and his next vote was on BM.
Sandroba buddies with palmar and bc and voted bc.
Bc said he wants either BM, bum or meapak as sheriff early on and just voted for meapak.
As I said, I'm not really able to figure this out yet
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On January 15 2012 12:10 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Sorry guys, the OP has the incorrect deadline and I was catching up on the thread thinking I would have more time. I'm around page 62, but I'm voting BM because he is the strongest town read I have at the moment of the post. I'll try to post when I finish reading.
Can the OP be updated with the correct deadline? Ah yeah sorry actual deadline was posted with day post will change OP accordingly.
could we get another election update?
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On January 15 2012 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
All mayoral candidates must PM both flamewheel and myself the person that you will lynch should you be elected. One hour left in the day.
just a mention
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no matter how this ends up you all want to have an eye on supersoft, cyri, wbg, VE and probably kita.
supersoft voted 3 mins before deadline, cyri 2 mins, wbg 2 mins, VE 1 min, kita exactly at the deadline. Nothing bad but could be. Keep that in mind
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why are you awake at 3:30 am in the morning? I thought you don't care about the election?
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On January 15 2012 12:27 Toadesstern wrote:
why are you awake at 3:30 am in the morning? I thought you don't care about the election?
that was directed towards palmar, sry
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On January 15 2012 12:28 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:27 Toadesstern wrote:
why are you awake at 3:30 am in the morning? I thought you don't care about the election? dude it's 4:30 here...
i know. But I don't have shit to do and I DO care about the election. Palmar however said he does not, yet he stays up until 3:30?
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So a miller is a townie right? Awesome, made 2 calls and everyone else said I'm wrong, yet I ended up being right. At least I don't have to replace the green color I did for palmar with something else.
Screw you guys I'm going to bed.
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hey there, Not having a lot of time today but luckily it's only night and noone wants to post anyway. Just shouting it out:
BC masoned Sandroba. Those are the 2 most scummy people in this game for me right now, even prior to the palmar lynch.
The point is, that I think only one of them is mafia and I doubt that BOTH are mafia. Not impossible but pretty unlikly imo. Either bc is a scum mason or BC is a town mason and sandroba is the mafia in here. Remember that Sandroba made BC lynch palmar instead of his originial read (whatever that was at that time) via pm?
I don't know how likely it is for BC to be manipulated that early but I don't like it.
However, given that BC is in an office I'd much rather lynch in to Sandroba to find out which one of is scum and leave BC alive as long as possible. Because if I am / we are really wrong on that we're killing ourselves big time.
I would love to see those pm's between sandroba and BC.
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oh before I leave. WBG is obviously another plausible red name for me. Look up the last game he co-hosted with someone (incog i think?). Look up the first couple of posts palmar did in that game, look up what wbg said postgame.
I'm going to take a look but it's either him being incredible overconfident or he knew palmar was town..
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