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BloodyC0bbler

Canada7876 Posts

January 15 2012 03:40 GMT

#1486

On January 15 2012 12:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Palmar was channeling his inner-traitor. I didn't think he was scum

I started to doubt myself near the end of the day, but I think we can learn alot from that. BC, just curious, who were you saying would be your other lynch?

brownbear. His typical scum play is lurk hard and only post when required to. had he appeared to vote i would have selected him, but as he was a non voter i figured he was most likely a townie with 0 time and aimed for palmar.

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7876 Posts

January 15 2012 22:25 GMT

#1620

Still waiting on the hosts to give me the bg names, however I will be using a cipher to encrypt their names and handing the seperate pieces out tonight provided I am able to(ie i get them before day post). I will also be analyzing them heavily to get solid reads on them, I hope BM will do the same.

Catching up on the thread now.

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7876 Posts

January 16 2012 02:38 GMT

#1661

On January 16 2012 10:13 kingjames01 wrote:
Town: I propose to you, that at least one of BC/BM is mafia.

Why do I think this?
There was a lot of chaos during Day 1. It started out with some decent speculation and debate as to who should be elected and why. Although there were a large number of candidates, certain candidates were becoming clear leaders in the race.

After BC's mason plan and claim, the environment of the thread quickly spiralled out of control. From a focussed discussion of who to elect, we observed multiple mason claims, several nonsensical posts and a drop in the useful posts-to-noise ratio.

Either the level of Town play is low (which I don't believe, based on the experience of the player list involved) or the mafia arrived in earnest.

At the end of the day, there was a surge in votes cementing BC as Mayor over BM, who was elected as sheriff. It is WIFOM to discuss which role is more desirable for the current mafia family so I will stop here.

Instead of constantly looking for scumslips in every vote. Step back and think about the day's events.
What did the players ATTEMPT to do?
What did the players ACCOMPLISH?

For Day 2, we ABSOLUTELY need to get back on track. There's going to be a lot of discussion I'm sure due to the night actions but don't lose sight of what we learned in Day 1.

Finally, the degree to which we hold BC and BM accountable should increase!

BC claimed Mason.
BC proposed a mass Mason claim.
BC claimed to Mason sandroba.
BC and sandroba reached 'a compromise'.
BC used his Mayoral right to choose the Day 1 lynch and chose Palmar.
We can no longer check BC's role and/or alignment.

If BC's mass Mason claim was so pro-town, what did it actually accomplish? It wasn't very well thought out. Even if he is Town-aligned, it injected so much chaos into this game, that players are struggling to keep up. Weaker mafia can slip in a few posts here and there and we'll never even notice if they mess up.

BC: tell us what you think your plan accomplished? Why did you suggest a plan that inherently would cause the Town to go in circles?

Also, BM previously supported my idea to reveal the Bodyguards. Do you support this proposal? Will you give up their names after the night is over?

hi kingjames

It is so glad to know the mafia are reallllllllly angry with me right now as it makes it really obvious when you guys leap out at me. I say this because people who should have been far more active during this game cycle and risked modkills are suddenly "spurred" into playing a game and instantly doing exactly what I would expect you to. Jump at me instantly. Why do you ask that I expect this? Because I did the most town move throughout the entirety of day 1.

From what I remember day 1 about the elections was very much what you would see in a game with no real movement. Everyone was discussing the candidates but most of it came down to experience in the players to narrow down the running. Before my claim and even after my claim up until the last 4-6 hour mark I had been solidly in the lead via votes. The "swinging" of votes towards me to give me mayor over bm was not a surge. I gained 3 votes near end of deadline. In the last 4 hours bm lost 3-4 votes then gained like 6-7. Protact who had near no solid voter base till the last 4 hours went from a very low amount of votes to just missing an elected spot. Those two had voter surges, I did not.

All the reasoning for those 3 people voting me near the end of the day were all posted within the thread as well.

You are right that we cannot forget what we learned day 1 and into night 1. Mafia is pissed at the mason situation. Town is moderately so, however you can immediately tell a player like wiggles is town based on how he is aiming to fix the situation. Not only that he is attempting to turn it into a group of scumhunters that the mafia has to risk infiltrating to fuck with (thus potentially losing one or more of their own members) or give up the idea of infilitrating it and letting town have an exclusive spot to talk.

Are their issues with wiggles plan? Yes, however it is clearly more pro town than players saying "lets trust people with near no experience with pms to use them properly"

Forcing people who can do damage or make massive gains for the town accountable for their actions and able to be analyzed properly is far more pro town than letting people work around in the dark with no guidance or real "negative" to fucking up in pm's. By forcing people to operate in the public eye with a far more insidious role than most hinders mafia, benefits town, and also created a topic of discussion day 1 that is not rehashing old games. This is a polarizing discussion. Through it, regardless of what some people may try to convince you, a ton of information was placed upon a large majority of the active player base. Did some players skirt by without posting? Why yes they did, you are one of them who did dick all day 1.

However, every game possess; players who will skirt by doing the bare minimum who will never join in on a discussion unless near forced to by mods, or by being actively called out / put up for lynch or vig shot. That is the nature of the game. However, the "active" players who comment badly on major topics but do near nothing else in the thread are typically scum being told to join in on a discussion. Is this always true? no, but it is a good starting ground.

Everyone can look back at day 1 and realize that the mason discussion did in fact take up most of the day, however near everyone should also see how many people actively sharing opinions that gave a huge amount of information that we would otherwise not have had.

You can argue that had I not done what I had that the same amount or more information would be garnered, but till my claim how much solid information had been produced on any player aside from "x is good, but if hes elected and mafia it could be bad, etc..."

Day 1 mafia games need elections to kickstart discussion, however it is near down to a formula that catching reds is far harder unless one slips up hard. By forcing people to participate in a discussion that opinions will clearly show a mafia or town bias, the chances of slipping up are far higher.

people can argue till the town comes home if I made the right move or not and that is fine however what is done is done and their is now a ton of information people can use as a starting ground to work with.

Now onto current shite.

BG names were encrypted and given out into seperate pieces. In the case both bgs are red and Myself / bm or myself on my own or bm on his own die, you will now have people able to give the bg names out to get them killed.

If people are afraid that it was possible I was linked to two reds, if the bgs both die instantly you will have 4 people who will have known the information. either myself or bm as red, or both people I gave the encrypted info to.

However in the case both bgs die, it is far more likely that the reds are the two people I gave information to than myself or bm. Why? Because if either of us is red, or if both of us are red, town bgs protect us and we would have no reason to off them fast. This is obviously wifom, but you get the idea.

Veteran well known players need to shape up, now. Palmar was lynched because of his play. If you join a game this size and intend on trolling or contributing very little useful information chances are you are going to be pegged as scum and dealt with as such. Vets should know better than to create an atmosphere that mafia can hide in, palmar was doing just that. Kurumi is also guilty of this, regardless of if he does it frequently or not.

All people that fw chose to not replace who are not modkilled, post. Kingjames is posting now and has yet to inform us as to where he was for 48 hours without posting, why he didnt vote, and why he is solely centered on continuing the mason debate while ignoring almost every other event that happened in the thread?

I will quote a few posts of kingjames to give everyone an idea of why he would make an excellent lynch target for this coming day

On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:

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