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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 03:27 GMT
#1470
watching Palmar try to play scum is really hilarious.

about as funny as this shit:

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 03:33 GMT
#1481
wowowowowowow.

Alright, I was wrong. Fuck.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 07:48 GMT
#1508
lol. I'm not scum.

Palmar played exactly to his scum meta. That's not my fault. Sure, in hindsight you can blame me for the lynch. I'll take responsibility for it. Being wrong doesn't make me scum, however. It just makes me vocally wrong.

At any rate, if you can find reasons to call me scum, go ahead and do it. I'll respond to any accusations that are put up.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 07:48 GMT
#1509
the problem for me now, of course, is that no one is going to listen to me.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 08:53 GMT
#1519
On January 15 2012 16:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
lol. I'm not scum.

Palmar played exactly to his scum meta. That's not my fault. Sure, in hindsight you can blame me for the lynch. I'll take responsibility for it. Being wrong doesn't make me scum, however. It just makes me vocally wrong.

At any rate, if you can find reasons to call me scum, go ahead and do it. I'll respond to any accusations that are put up.


The part that is your fault is that you only considered meta.
I don't think a scum member would have pushed someone so hard with such a weak argument, so I'm not really holding it against you yet.


I didn't only consider meta. I summed it up as a mostly meta argument, which for Palmar is normally very strong.

At any rate, it's irrelevant now to finding the remaining scum. Unfortunately, since he flipped town.

I still suspect opz and Protact.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 10:52 GMT
#1537
On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
@GiygaS

I listen to you bro. Remember that game where you and Palmar fucked me up as mafia? His play was spectacular that game...he really convinced me he was a townie when I was calling for his HEAD D2. You played the fallguy to a T, not outting him at all. I was thoroughly impressed, and I'm not the only one.

Palmar doesn't do shit like that anymore. When you left, Palmar's play took a SHARP turn for the worse, and he's lucky to live past D2 these days. I thought he was scum all game too...especially when he still vouched for me for office.

I guess my point is, I think you're barking up the wrong tree where WBG is concerned. Here's how you handle that guy.

@WBG
Would you link to the most recent game where you were town and Palmar was scum?

@Cyber_Cheese
Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar?





The last game where I was town and Palmar scum was XLV, that was actually the only game I've been town when Palmar was scum. It was also like my third game (and by far my worst)

However, I caught him being scum in Responsibility when I was scum based on one thing he said. He said he agreed with what prplhz said about BC (which town Palmar would never do...he just doesn't agree with people he thinks are dumb) and I changed our team's shot last minute off Palmar.

As for Palmar's post content, even that singular post he made came after I pressured him to hell. Palmar's play just wasn't satisfactory for me. Can't change that now, but perhaps I should've spent my time on other people.

Anyway, as soon as I can I will make a short summary of why I find both opz and Protact to be scummy. For now, I'll be sleeping.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 20:37 GMT
#1607
On January 16 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Townies read this.

If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way.

If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion.

If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing.
Have I Quoted?
Have I explained my views clearly?
Have I pointed out or marked key parts.
Hae my train of thoughts been clear?

If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder.


I like how you don't do this.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 20:49 GMT
#1609
On January 16 2012 05:43 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Townies read this.

If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way.

If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion.

If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing.
Have I Quoted?
Have I explained my views clearly?
Have I pointed out or marked key parts.
Hae my train of thoughts been clear?

If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder.


I like how you don't do this.

I have three drinks, which one should I drink?


probably the one that kills you.

Or that Polish vodka, that shit is strong.

You scum this game btw?

Sandro where are you? Foolish where are you?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 21:01 GMT
#1611
On January 16 2012 05:56 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:43 Kurumi wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Townies read this.

If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way.

If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion.

If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing.
Have I Quoted?
Have I explained my views clearly?
Have I pointed out or marked key parts.
Hae my train of thoughts been clear?

If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder.


I like how you don't do this.

I have three drinks, which one should I drink?


probably the one that kills you.

Or that Polish vodka, that shit is strong.

You scum this game btw?

Sandro where are you? Foolish where are you?

Not drinking alcohol till 18, I am Town as I mentioned earlier. Why You want me dead?


I'm just kidding, I don't actually want you dead.

What do you think of sandroba? BC? Protact?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 21:22 GMT
#1616
@ Toadesstern:

Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy.

Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 23:42 GMT
#1633
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 15 2012 23:47 GMT
#1637
On January 16 2012 08:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 08:36 Nisani201 wrote:
The problem is that it's not a town circle. Once a single mafia gets in the circle, it becomes anti-town, because the entire mafia will have information that certain townies will not.

That doesn't matter. It does not become anti-town if a mafia enters the circle. The masons shouldn't trust each other to begin with, but it will very hard for any mafia to actually keep up a facade of being pro-town and contributory for long. This means the other masons in the circle will be able to sniff out and reveal any scum among them. This also forces all claimed masons to actually play the game and contribute, as they will be forced to perform in the mason circle.

Have you ever played in a game with PMs or a mason circle?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Neighbor

Read that.


it does if it's someone like BC or L.

If I were scum in this game I would love your plan. I would infiltrate the fuck out of that circle and seed whatever bs I could come up with.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 00:26 GMT
#1641
On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?



well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch.
BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors.
So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes.

What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view.


sandro is probable scum unless he does something tomorrow. He's so far been useless and his idea about the mass mason claim was stupid.

Protac I think is scum based on how he switched lynch targets. He/they switched as it was convenient, to macpo.

Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind.

BC, I'm leaning pretty town. The only thing that's unsettling is how little he said about Palmar before lynching him, but I'm fine with the lynch and I wasn't really set off about anything else BC has done.

The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII.

At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 03:32 GMT
#1698
4 KP and right after deadline, Protac says "sandro is innocent because Ciryandor flipped scum"

Sup scum gambit?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 04:55 GMT
#1724
On January 16 2012 12:45 Scamp wrote:
I was expecting a rash of modkills. I'm highly disappointed. Though the death of Ciryandor is nice.

Not really sure why WBG thinks he should still be talking right now.


lol

you've done a lot too this game, eh?

I might have been wrong but I'm not as useless as you are.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 09:16 GMT
#1746
On January 16 2012 17:12 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 16:11 Lanaia wrote:
49. Scamp - I'm neutral-leaning-scum on this guy.
On January 16 2012 12:45 Scamp wrote:
I was expecting a rash of modkills. I'm highly disappointed. Though the death of Ciryandor is nice.

Not really sure why WBG thinks he should still be talking right now.


I don't like that he was expecting it and was highly disappointed in it. Proportionately, it was more likely to see a lot of town in there. Him saying that ciry's death was nice felt a bit... unnatural. Also, is that bitterness I see towards WBG? Care to reiterate what you mean by the last line, scamp? How is he playing that is so bad to you?


Were you not expecting a bunch of modkills? I thought that everyone was expecting them.

And yes I have bitterness toward WBG. I don't like the way he plays. As for clarifying the last line, how about I let WBG do it himself.

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
the problem for me now, of course, is that no one is going to listen to me.


And later...

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII.


He neglects to mention himself in all of this.

I'm not ready to make a full-blown case out of this but if you look at WBG's post history it would make a lot of sense if both he and BC are scum.


In what twisted world would I say that I look bad after the Palmar lynch? No shit I look bad after the Palmar lynch, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out, nor do I have to say it to make it obvious. It just is.

Also, since I know I'm town, why would I even entertain the idea that I could "look bad" (aka look like scum) after the lynch? My goal is to find scum, not talk about how bad I look after Palmar flipped town. This isn't the game of "feel bad about yourself after you're wrong and stroke your ego when you're right." It's about finding scum. Obviously I failed yesterday, doesn't mean I'm scum.

Obviously you don't give a shit about finding scum, you just don't like my play. This is, of course, why you have never actually outright called me scum. You're just pussyfooting around the issue and saying you dislike my play instead of putting in a real opinion.

If you had any interest in town affairs you'd probably comment with something that helps us achieve our goal of killing mafia.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 09:18 GMT
#1747
and yes, I am calling you scum for that. inb4 omgus
##vote Scamp
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 09:30 GMT
#1749
On January 16 2012 18:26 Scamp wrote:
It's called accountability, and it's also called playing the game well. Since you have no interest in either of those things, it makes perfect sense that you would vote for me as a knee-jerk reaction.

I expect you to try to find scum when you're done crying.


How am I supposed to be accountable for Palmar getting lynched?

Bring him back to life?

Quit?

Stop playing?

I am finding scum. You're a pretty good bet for it IMO.

Oh also, I laughed at this:


On January 14 2012 15:02 Scamp wrote:
Sheth, if we've not given Palmar enough time yet, then how much time is needed? More importantly, who have we given enough time to instead?


While you pretty much had no opinion on the Palmar issue day 1, you said this. I guess you were on my side of that issue, eh? Didn't want to cut Palmar too much slack?

So what happened when Palmar flipped? You immediately attacked me. Sure, I lead the lynch. Meanwhile, day 1, you did jack shit.

I have something to own up to. I have something to take responsibility for. You don't, because you haven't done anything. Bet it feels nice to be useless, eh?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 09:46 GMT
#1751
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:

Sandro: you have still not responded to me man, what's going on in there? What are your thoughts on the game? Same question to Foolishness. You both have so far been incredibly lazy. If you are town you need to start talking to me (and town in general) now, else you will probably receive the majority of the votes for today. I'd be glad to jump on the incoming scumdroba bandwagon if this continues, as it certainly seems like that is beginning to take off.

BC: Who are you looking at lynching today? I'm not sure about kingjames being scum. From what I understand he's a friend of yours; can you explain why you chose to target him instead of someone else? Do you find anyone else scummy? What do you think of the late votes that went on BM yesterday, in response to the votes you received?

Lanaia: Name two people you would, without a doubt, lynch today.

L: why do you have such a low profile in this game? I barely realized you were playing. Why are you not more vocal and active? Scared? Scum? Bored?

Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum?

VE: Where was that kill?

supersoft: Like sandro and Foolishness, I would like to see more activity from you too, from what I recall you are generally rather proactive with town affairs. What are your opinions?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 16 2012 23:33 GMT
#1886
##vote Protactinium

On my phone; in short, massive slip. When the "day 1 summary" was posted by Protactinium, it suggested that there was pre-knowledge that the chaos was town-induced.
Note how Protactinium never questions that the people who pushed Palmar for lynch (WBG and other hardliners) were anything but town. It's not possible to make absolute generalizations like Protactinium is doing unless there's knowledge that those generalizations are true. That knowledge is only available to scum.

I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access.
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