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On January 24 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
JayJay - it's not based on setup alone - it's based on the timing of his claim, the information he's provided and meta. The setup discussion is just a means to get people to look at the REST of my case, which admittedly is spread out over the course of a few posts. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why townHiro would refuse to out his reports the night after he claims loudly in-thread?
Foolishness is new - but the longer he stays alive, the more suspicious he becomes because he's a strong vet. Same with BC. At the moment, my read on Foolish is based on the fact that he's playing the game almost exclusively out-of-thread and the fact that he put BM up for mayor. My read on him is pretty dependent on other factors, because I have almost nothing to base it off in-thread.
I'm not interested in lynching glurio. He seems newish town to me.
I'll try to convince you. Not right now, but I'll take the challenge. Albeit, there isn't much to analyse, but I will do what I can.
Also, Toad is rising on the red-ranking.
The Anti-BC talk is going pretty strong, and I think his last post really hit a note for me. Toad talks about how BC would be on the chopping block if Bill flips town.
RE: Toad
Why would he be on the chopping block? Do you want to lynch him in an eye-for-an-eye? What happens if BC flips green, do we kill you too? You don't lynch a player because they call out another player, analyse their posts/play, push for a lynch, and then they flip green. That's stupid reasoning. That player handles one Vote. Don't blame that one person for everyone else derping around the thread and not being able to come up with their own logical reasoning for voting for someone, and just sheeping onto a bandwagon. To reiterate, we're in the business of killing red, not killing sub-par green play.
That being said, I think Jayjay? said it before. I don't see what bonus we get for taking 90% of the day to talk about one player when we end up not doing anything at the end of the day. It makes no sense that we would spend so much time talking about the alignment of a player and than make no action to kill him at the end of the day, especially after so much smoke has been blown in our face regarding so many different parts of this game already.
I ran into Munk-E on the ladder yesterday. Not sure if he is going to come back. He said he had "shit to do" so he was pretty non-committal about this game.
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On January 24 2012 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second
Macpo
Toadesstern
rgTheSchworz
Jackal58
GiygaS
Munk-E
EchelonTee
Nisani201
Mr. Wiggles
Ciryandor
kitaman27
lul
the rest of the names don't look particularly good either. Maybe at least one more red in there.
Just helps solidify my take on Toad.
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On January 24 2012 12:07 Toadesstern wrote:
LOOL
Nervous giggle.
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On January 24 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:10 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:07 Toadesstern wrote:
LOOL Nervous giggle. you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM.
Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced.
Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please.
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On January 24 2012 12:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 12:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Strongest 3 reads going into the next day.
Opz, glurio.
If I die, obviously both my bgs are red and their names have already been outed.
However, based on how bm was playing and comments made throughout this thread I believe that chances are fairly good that at least 1 of my bgs is red.
Also, awesome modkills, and fu BM
BC that's two reads, not 3... lul also I agree with you. The third I'd say is a toss up between like, Brownbear, Echelontee, vaderseven, and Toad. Ofc I'm only including Toad in there now because it's been fun trolling him for the past day when I actually haven't even believed he's scum. oh come on screw you. People like VE and Jitsu are actually believing what you're saying... You think it's going to be helpful when we try to get opz lynched tomorrow and CC, VE and jitsu are voting me instead?
Nervous aggression.
I think OpZ is mafia too. Infact, the three reds I have are Glurio, OpZ, and you.
We also have a double lynch tomorrow.
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On January 24 2012 12:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:22 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 12:10 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:07 Toadesstern wrote:
LOOL Nervous giggle. you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM. Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced. Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please. This is 100% true though, Toad. It's actually almost entirely the reason you look shifty. At this point ofc I seriously doubt you're scum, since by process of elimination there are like 5 or 6 people who are more worthy of a lynch than you. Anyway Jitsu, of the players remaining which 3 are most likely scum to you? I feel like opz and BB are like almost 100% scum. Kenpachi probably is too cause BM was like "wtf did I say Kitaman? I meant kenpachi!"
Too be honest, BrownBear would probably be a decent enough lynch as well. I think i'm a biased opinion right now due to BrownBear being mafia because of Bill Murray telling me he was a Bodyguard, so trying to look at it from an objective standpoint is hard to do since i've been looking at it from a subjective standpoint this entire game.
I posted my three reds right now. I still think Glurio is mafia, for reasons listed prior. I think OpZ is mafia, but that's part bandwagon and part gut feeling. There's been a lot of analysis on him and I think it's all pretty good case analysis. I still think Toad is mafia. It's a tunnel, but I think it's red.
I don't see how the fact that Super was telling you to continue tunneling BC clears you of anything, Toad. Looking back, I don't really see that much presence on a BC bandwagon except for you "faking" it. You could just use that whole conversation between you and Super as a Get Out Of Lynch card. He was the one talking, you were the one agreeing.
If anything, you could have told you're Mafia buddies to not jump on the wagon in you're QT to prevent yourself or your friends from getting snagged - that at least explains why no one really got that wagon moving.
Definitely not Occam's Razor theory. You're still leaning red, in my viewpoint.
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On January 24 2012 12:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Have any scum masons flipped?
Perhaps it's mason hunting season?
It's possible that the Mafia Mason never shot his ability out. I think before we start Mason hunting, we should look heavily at Glurio and OpZ. It doesn't specify that only one person on the Mafia team could be a Mason.
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On January 24 2012 12:41 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 24 2012 12:24 hiro protagonist wrote:On January 24 2012 12:13 kitaman27 wrote:On January 24 2012 12:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Props to BM for earning himself an extra day of life and causing a mislynch with his silly claim :p
It should be noted that if mafia doesn't have a roleblocker, it is very likely the rb was on hiro, if he is indeed our dt. Err by rb, I mean sheriff jail. nope, I asked FW about this, If someone is jailed, they get a message saying they are incarcerated. They get a message that they where roleblocked if they are roleblocked. So mafia still has a roleblocker, as I was told I was roleblocked, not incarcerated. Is your night two check still alive? Yes.
Who did you check all game, and what did they return as.
You're here. Answer it.
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On January 24 2012 12:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:38 Slardar wrote:Mason hunting.. well technically with how it's worded Mafia could have 0 masons, that is if they hypothetically can choose not to have any Roleblockers...considering most of the scum have claimed RB. So can Mafia type out GG if they want to and throw in the towel?Well this more than exonerates BC in my eyes, I was pretty much wrong on every call! Time to do the exact opposite of what I'm thinking. I'm Arsonist, you're all fucked.  Something about that suggests he's mafia wanting to GG to me. The way it's posed more as a question than a statement.
I thought the same thing, C_C.
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On January 24 2012 13:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:38 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 24 2012 12:22 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2012 12:10 Jitsu wrote:On January 24 2012 12:07 Toadesstern wrote:
LOOL Nervous giggle. you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM. Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced. Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please. This is 100% true though, Toad. It's actually almost entirely the reason you look shifty. At this point ofc I seriously doubt you're scum, since by process of elimination there are like 5 or 6 people who are more worthy of a lynch than you. Anyway Jitsu, of the players remaining which 3 are most likely scum to you? I feel like opz and BB are like almost 100% scum. Kenpachi probably is too cause BM was like "wtf did I say Kitaman? I meant kenpachi!" I don't see how the fact that Super was telling you to continue tunneling BC clears you of anything, Toad. Looking back, I don't really see that much presence on a BC bandwagon except for you "faking" it. You could just use that whole conversation between you and Super as a Get Out Of Lynch card. He was the one talking, you were the one agreeing. Oh and because I did answer that one: I think "confirming" 3 people is pretty good. meapak should be pretty green giving what he sad, same with BC and slardar only looks worse than he did before.
We're in the business of finding and lynching scum. Not finding people we think are town. The only reason I would look for town players is process of elimination scum.
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Just caught up. Good game guys.
1. Bill Murray fucking owned me in the Mason PM's. He mind raped me so hardcore that I actually thought BC was mafia for a bit when he said Brownbear was on his lynch list. Than I mason'd with BC and I got my head straight. That was why I was so reluctant to lynch Bill. Than after I saw him flip Red and looked back on all the PM's...well, hindsight is 20/20...Fuck me.
2. It's hard as shit to keep up with every single person in a 50 player game. There are so many posts that's is damn near impossible to remember what everyone is saying all the time, thank God for filters. That being said, I think I still played like absolute shit save saying I was suspicious of Macpo early on in the game. Other than that, I was pretty convinced of OpZ, and I had Bum leaning slightly null-red. But none of that matters.
3. I thought that my gambit with Bill was a good idea in theory, and, in fact, I was looking at mason'ing BC a day early to confirm that the two names BM gave me we're correct. I ended up mason'ing with Cwave and doing the same thing, after I noticed Brownbear in BC's lynch candidates. That is the reason for doing that.
If anyone has any opinions/things I could improve on, please let me know and feel free to critique it in the thread. Sorry for being a sucky-Mason town. I did what I could.
Thanks a lot to Flamewheel and jcarlson for hosting the game. Was a lot of fun!
Also, @Flame, I thought that if we mason'd with someone, we were able to talk to them for the two days and night cycle, and not have to mason someone different at the switch of each. It actually confused the shit out of me, that's why I didn't mason at night and only mason'd in the day-time. Sorry about that, mang.
GG guys. Critique as much as you want!
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On January 24 2012 15:54 Incognito wrote:
Over thinking things is a symptom of mafia.
That's for sure.
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On January 24 2012 19:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Wow. Game is over and I'm alive. That doesn't happen unless I'm scum. GG all.
Scum slip. Vig this fool.
@Meapek, really liked how you broke down the roles people play in the meta-game and how they work. Really interesting.
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