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Cheers, Lanaia.
One last thing before I hit the sack.
The Mafia had four KP last night when the hits took effect. Targets were, supposedly, Sheth, Adam, VE, and Toad.
What is keeping them from doublestacking Sheth, one on Adam, VE, and having Toad come out to "pretend" he was target'd, but was saved due to Veteran.
I don't know why the Mafia would target him for a hit, especially since he was under such heavy scrutiny in the first place. Again, from a mafia point of view, just let him live and take a lynch with them.
This is fairly WIFOM induced, but it's a gut feeling I can't get rid of. That, coupled with the fact he's claiming accurate reads all game and that everything he has done was right, just irks me. It's like he's buying town credit by feinging correct calls. Anyone else feel the same?
Sound off. I'll be back in the morning.
Outtie.
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On January 20 2012 11:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote:
Home from class. Just read thread. Interesting to see Supersoft flip scum as well.
Toad, I have a question. Hypothetical question; you are the Mad Hatter. You have two bombs. Who would you plant them on right now and why? One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate.
From a town point of view: I could give less of a shit who gets credit for a kill in a game as long as the mafia player is dead. I was suspicious of Macpo pretty damn early, but everyone assumed there was a slew of over players involved in it, so I gave zero fucks.
From a Mafia point of view: "Hmmmm, if I can accuse alot of people early, than I can look more town if they eventually do get lynched! Yeah!"
Do you think this reasoning if flawed? Do you think you are acting opposite of this?
Also, BC - did you use you're mason ability yet? I really need to talk to you, but I already blew mine.
can't sleep so I'm back \o/ Yeah makes sense, however take into consideration that pretty much everyone keeps telling me my reads are of no use this game, I'm bad and I'm useless. I want to prove that I'm not. Easy as that. That's not a town tell, it's not a scum tell, it's a ego-tell if you want :p I want to prove that I'm not useless, that's what I'm trying.
I have just as big ego, if not bigger, than you do. But there is a big difference between telling people you are good at scum-hunting, and actually being good at scum-hunting.
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The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.
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On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you.
On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two?
Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel.
On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread. Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered. + Show Spoiler +To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? So there really isn't anything i can post yet.
Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post?
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1. Guy clearly lurks. He's got, what, 5 posts in the entire thread? Doesn't even come in to explain why he voted on a player. Literally every one of his posts is apologizing for being busy in real life (which really isn't needed) and how he promises to participate (which he never does).
2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter.
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On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote:On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you. On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two? Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel. On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread. Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered. + Show Spoiler +To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? So there really isn't anything i can post yet. Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post? So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.
Ok.
Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff.
I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed.
I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order.
I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore.
Can we end the bullshit now?
Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio?
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@Toad
Quoted from C_C
So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.
I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question.
That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me.
Enough.
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@C_C,
Since when is the length of time it takes me to post an indication of my Alignment?
The PM's are really staggered. Below are the pertinent ones that involve me explaining the idea. Some are under different Subjects, but below are the ones that gave him my idea, him responding. Bill can confirm it as well.
RE: Vader
No, he never claimed it.
RE: Lynches
I don't know to vote for for the lynch. I'm starting to get into the mindset that GGQ might be scum, and I really want to put my other vote on glurio. It might be an unwarranted tunnel, but I have a red tint to his gameplay.
+ Show Spoiler +(From me to BM)
Let me give you my plan. It my help you make you're decision.
You have the name of the two Bodyguard's that we're ordered to protect you.
In short, I want you to give me those names.
Let me explain:
I will know the names of the two Bodyguards. If they are both town, they do their job and protect you. If they are mafia, obviously both you and BC will die together, the two people that know their identities. We [read: Town] will have no idea who they are and they will disappear, and we will lose our two elected positions.
However, if you give me the names, I can bring their identities out at that time, and they will be lynched.
What is preventing you from thinking I am Mafia? Nothing. Save you're analysis. If you deem me town, I urge you to think of this.
Say the two Bodyguard's are killed the next day; it would lean stronger to the fact that I might be Mafia, but I urge you to consider my history/ect. I am not Mafia. I am Town. I thought about this plan and I think it's a beneficial play that the Mason's could do, instead of being "totally useless to town."
Please think about this plan, logically, and get back to me. Don't immediately think this is a Mafia ploy to kill the two Bodyguard's. If it was, it's trading two for one. Not a very good trade, Mafia-wise.
Think. About. It.
~Jitsu
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(From BM to Me)
I already messaged the other mason them
the fact he hasn't messaged me, after masoning me, makes him clearly town to me
He hasn't outted AT ALL that I've seen
I trust him more than you, sorry.
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(From me to BM)
That's fine. Doesn't matter whether it's me or him, as long as you have him under a stronger town-read.
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**From this point, I gain his trust by trying to figure out if BC/OpZ are Jack's instead of Mason's. Bill says I townslipped because of Jackhunting, and that I must be town. Than he sends me a message of the BG's.**
Bill can also confirm this.
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Agreed with C_C.
And you're directing blues.
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On January 21 2012 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 12:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.
With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.
Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility. Why not take a look into risk.nuke if people who defended Sand are on your radar? He HARD defended Sand in one of his LAST posts. Did you miss that one? Why bum with his soft defend? cause soft-defending is more indicative of scum than hard defending. If you hard defend someone you get a fuck ton of attention when you're wrong. Bum is just kinda sliding around doing nothing. Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.
With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.
Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility. You voted for KJ because he was playing the way he was in a game where he was town? You get RIGHT out of town bro. You GET OUT! GET OUT OF TOWN WBG!! he was dead either way, I wanted to ensure he flipped because I've been wrong quite a bit this game. At any rate I reassured myself that my meta reads aren't all shit, so at least that's good. We should definitely look into the people who voted KJ through the day for bad reasons, though. This group is bound to have scum in it because they could have been trying to keep sandro alive.
Could it be possible Mafia was pushing it as well to waste out double lynch? Maybe we were onto a second solid candidate and they wanted that bandwagon to roll because they A. knew he wasn't coming back and B. wanted us to not have a decent second vote.
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On January 21 2012 23:11 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 13:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Proactinium is scum. If we have any vigs left shoot him. Drunk Jackal apparently has different reads than sober Jackal.
LOL.
I actually laughed at this line.
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On January 22 2012 12:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 22 2012 12:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2012 12:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 22 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass?
After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine.
I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? HAHAHA trolled you biatch! I see what the scumteam is doing. They're trying to lock down the lynch on Meapak today. so far noone said a thing about meapak except for you and me. Was that a scumslip of yours or are yu still obsessed about me?
I'm still obsessed about you. I still don't see you as town.
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He's not lying. I contacted Cwave late yesterday and brought it up to him. We were both given the same names of BG's from BM, which are apparently wrong.
Also, I don't know why you are trying to get the names of any of anything p4NDemik. Outing any of the Bodyguard's is a bad idea. We've been over this.
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On January 23 2012 01:34 p4NDemik wrote:
Jitsu we are most likely going to kill one of our elected officials today anyways. Moreover Cwave claims BC declared one of his bg's as possible mafia and you confirm this fact. If he thinks this bodyguard is possible mafia he should want him dead and should give up is name. This is strong logic, this is not bluehunting. This is scumhunting. Don't be confused.
We didn't say anything about the BG's being mafia. We said that BM gave us fake BG names. Or am I not following you.
On January 23 2012 01:46 supersoft wrote:
We should lynch glurio today. I posted a case on him earlier. He is definetely scum.
+ after that pandemic will stop to annoy me :-)
I agree with this, although he thinks I am scum. If not today, soon.
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What Cwave said. The information we KNOW:
The names Bill Murray gave us were the same.
One of the names that was posted by BloodyCobbler was one of the "Bodyguards" Bill Murray gave us.
From that point, only assumptions can be made, because the idea of complete knowledge lies only with the people that 100% know the identity of the real Bodyguard's. This whole thing is fishy, though.
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On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
jitsu asked?
BM, i want all your pm traffic.
censor the bg names please.
We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.
Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense.
My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny.
I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either.
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On January 24 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote:
“We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.“
actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me.
Cool. What's your reasoning behind it?
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On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote:
With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote.
BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe. what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to.
And he's gone.
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote:
and about solid reasons about BC:
Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang.
What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it?
What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does.
What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred?
Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown?
I'm confused. Are you saying you want to kill him because he was wrong about lynches and is not playing well, or because you think he is scum?
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