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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 05:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:26 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea.  just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. yeah I'm so confused right now. I've been bitchslapped left and right. People called my case on sandroba retarded and I think I was the first one who said he might be scum although I was not the first who did the job to build a case although I think my case is the best :3 And now out of nowhere protact wants to lynch sandroba and BC / foolish follow him? I have no idea what's going on. I'm gonna take this post as a good opportunity to talk about sandroba as well. So I defended him a lot yesterday. I felt like he was an extremely poor lynch choice especially with the other options at hand (GGQ  ). People like Toad who were pushing for sand's death (yes toad I know you're not the only one) did not have a very strong case (I felt) and it seemed to me like scum trying to run a mislynch with protact/sandroba rather than the obviscum GGQ. Later in the day, there was a shift to macpo and the three previous candidates were largely forgotten. Now since macpo flipped red I can't fault this shift as scum. Fast forward to today. The big three (protact/foolishness/BC) now think that sandroba is scum. Similarly they've exonerated GGQ. Quite frankly I'm baffled. There was one brief dismissive post made by foolishness(?) about how GGQ was cleared and that was never revisited. Meanwhile, the case made on sandroba is extremely unclear, at some point he just switches to being scum in their eyes. When I do see them make a case, like Toad said, it really just rehashes the stuff that was said yesterday. It's not like something new happened that made them think sandroba was scum, they just suddenly changed their mind. So here's where I stand. I independantly was becoming suspicious of sandroba because of how he's lurked when the pressure was off of him. However the shift towards him by the three, seemingly without any new information, gave me pause. So I'd like to take this oppertunity to clear some things up BC/Foolishness/Incog: Why is Sandroba scum? Why is GGQ not? Where along the line did these things change? You guys have collectively delivered three scum and that's great, but you can't fault me for being a little weary when your positions change seemingly out of the blue. I'm gonna echo P4ndemik a little here and I'm going to ask you to fully explain why you're thinking what you're thinking.
It's more about choosing who's the best to lynch given the circumstances, and less about who has the highest/lowest chance to be mafia, if that makes any sense.
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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 06:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote:On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.
Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this. I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this. Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01. Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba? In a word, no. I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular. I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best. I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2. I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways.
It is BM though, a lot of his actions can be explained with, "dude it's BM". Besides, at the rate Incog is going at if the mafia don't kill him at night then he's just going to continue steam rolling them, and I'm perfectly fine with that lol. If Incog dies at night then Bill Murray is an easy lynch.
I agree that he (BM) is likely mafia, but we're not in a situation where we need to be taking chances. We got plenty of lynch targets, we can afford to play it cool for now.
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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.
Cause the best scumhunter in this game who has already found 3 mafia might die. Why would you want to take that chance?
How many mafia have you found?
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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.
I certainly ain't trusting you to lead the town to victory.
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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 06:50 vaderseven wrote:
Come on foolishness. Isnt the fact that he claims a bomb on a good scum hunter more reason to lynch him than not.
You are acting like protact is a for sure goonee when BM is lynched and there is no resonable reason to think that.
Why would you take the chance? If the town was in a desperate situation I'd totally agree, but right now we have the game under control.
On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote:
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.
Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good.
I have plenty of faith in myself. I also have more faith in the person who has caught 30% of the mafia team so far.
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Foolishness
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On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses.
I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this.
Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well.
Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No
If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol
This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother?
Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch.
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Foolishness
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Update
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally
Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second
Macpo
Toadesstern
rgTheSchworz
Jackal58
GiygaS
Munk-E
EchelonTee
Nisani201
Mr. Wiggles
Ciryandor
kitaman27
Votes for kitaman27 (1)
evantrees
Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks
Lanaia
glurio
Cyber_Cheese
Foolishness
supersoft
wherebugsgo
VisceraEyes
sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread)
Votes for Protactinium (10)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Cwave
Liquid`Sheth
Jayjay54
Jitsu
p4NDemik
bumatlarge
blahz0r
Votes for supersoft (1)
Bill Murray
Votes for L (2)
~OpZ~
Scamp
Votes for wherebugsgo (2)
Kenpachi
Slardar
Votes for VisceraEyes (1)
L
Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1)
BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff.
There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves...
kingjames01
BrownBear
igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why)
Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why)
Protactinium
rtgICEMAN
Maxella
Reminder to myself to update this in the future. Someone update it if I die tonight.
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Foolishness
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Mafia list has to be something like:
Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.
Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town.
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Foolishness
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As a notice I will be out all day Sunday so I won't be able to post until the second half of the (game) day. I think it should be obvious who to vote for today, and of course I'll be around later to discuss further.
##Vote: Bill Murray
##Vote: Double lynch
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Foolishness
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And stop fighting with p4ndemik (mostly talking to BC here, but others as well). That's terrible for town atmosphere and he's running us in circles.
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 08:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Foolish only playing the game exclusively outside the thread is scummy as hell - but that could be just me.
I've been masoned twice, and anything that has been said between me and those two people (Mattchew and BC) has been said in the thread. So I'm very confused on what "outside the thread" means considering I've only been in the thread @.@
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
also: Foolishness
What
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 12:08 Foolishness wrote:On January 24 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
also: Foolishness What what was all that BM bullshit on day 1? Just trolling us?
If you look through my posts you'll see that I wanted to kill BM from very early in the game (maybe even as early as end of day 1 I may have said that).
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Foolishness
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Good call on Bum being mafia BC
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On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:56 Ciryandor wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 flamewheel wrote:
But really, the Mafia were really uncoordinated. They have very few posts in their QT, there were only ever one or two people online in their IRC channel, and BM messaged me I think last night asking "who are our kills?" This I also think was a major failing on the scumteam's part, I was quite disappointed that I wasn't hearing anyone in the scum team really establish a base-line to attack Proact/Foolish/WBG; and that even though we had a veteran core and we had a couple of "throwaway" plays in me and Macpo early on, the team just felt too disjointed and didn't want to take risks in going for an advantage over town. I also keep playing a scum-like game, somebody PM me on how I should be approaching D1 discussion in these big games because I'll probably end up always reacting like scum simply because I'm the sort to fish for reactions, not solicit accusations. As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_-
I'm phil btw in case somebody is confused by BC's post lol
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 15:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 14:56 Ciryandor wrote:On January 24 2012 14:47 flamewheel wrote:
But really, the Mafia were really uncoordinated. They have very few posts in their QT, there were only ever one or two people online in their IRC channel, and BM messaged me I think last night asking "who are our kills?" This I also think was a major failing on the scumteam's part, I was quite disappointed that I wasn't hearing anyone in the scum team really establish a base-line to attack Proact/Foolish/WBG; and that even though we had a veteran core and we had a couple of "throwaway" plays in me and Macpo early on, the team just felt too disjointed and didn't want to take risks in going for an advantage over town. I also keep playing a scum-like game, somebody PM me on how I should be approaching D1 discussion in these big games because I'll probably end up always reacting like scum simply because I'm the sort to fish for reactions, not solicit accusations. As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- Phil? Also...You made it shitty for us because I was scared to mason someone that I deemed a low level player. "oh hai guys, I talked to OpZ yesterday, here's da logz!"
Me! That's why I made my post above! Do you not read the thread?
+ Show Spoiler [~OpZ~] +29) You are ~OpZ~ and you have the desire to post. What do you do?a) Respond to every post one by one and get banned by Plexa for spamming a few dozen posts in a row. Ignore his five warnings because you still had to respond to the next 5 pages of posts before seeing the warnings.
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Foolishness
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On January 24 2012 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To sum up this game
*turn on pokemon battle music*
Incog is sent out.
Incog uses Analysis
Its super effective
Mafia uses sacrifical lamb
It isn't very effective
Incog swaps out, BC sent in
BC is given Incogs analysis
BC uses push agenda
Its super effective
Mafia use fake claim
it misses
A wild foolishness appears
Analysis was approved.
Foolishness uses chain vote
All previous players vote with foolishness
Its super effective
gold
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