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On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me.
I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right.
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On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly.
I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia.
Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes.
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On January 17 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Lanaia + Opz
What are your thoughts on GGQ + Macpo?
@Opz were not lynching Lanaia today because of your "gut". Post what your "gut" is telling you and why.
I done posted my suspcisions,. I haven't directly quoted them, because I'm being lazy. Lanaia doesn't have many posts, click on filter. But i've done posted them, it isn't my fault you don't bother reading. Your still scum in my eyes too.
I haven't read anything from Macpo, so give me a little bit. Same for GGQ.
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On January 17 2012 08:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Meapak I think adding a 4th candidate in Macpo is a good idea. I'm not fine with voting Sandroba off or Protact. I need to think more about GGQ. Protact was one of the first to go after Cyr and Sandroba was as well, I don't know why these two are considered a good lynch for Day 2. Meapak I've been really happy with your play today, are you willing to go for Macpo based on how he has been posting ?
I called you out earlier for voting for protact for no reason, and then now you want to go and defend him saying he was one of the first to go after ciry. You mean until he changed to wanting to lynch BC, when Ciry was obviously more scummy? Looks to me like he was trying to bus a weaker scum. Seems kind of early to me, but go read ciry's posts, or check your inbox. He was obvious mafia.
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On January 17 2012 08:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Lanaia + Opz
What are your thoughts on GGQ + Macpo?
@Opz were not lynching Lanaia today because of your "gut". Post what your "gut" is telling you and why. I done posted my suspcisions,. I haven't directly quoted them, because I'm being lazy. Lanaia doesn't have many posts, click on filter. But i've done posted them, it isn't my fault you don't bother reading. Your still scum in my eyes too. I haven't read anything from Macpo, so give me a little bit. Same for GGQ. Here are some quotes about your "posted suspicions". + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. LanaiaOn January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night People she opposed:Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported:Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Lanaia
Mafia a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. On January 16 2012 14:16 Lanaia wrote:
Bill, if that were the case, would I have been notified of being killed?
But yeah, I can confirm he did target me.
However, I have no idea why. May I ask why? This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. You say it isn't your fault that I don't bother reading. I in fact have been reading.
Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267
"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style."
L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then.
Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat.
When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves.
Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch.
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Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting.
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On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote:
@BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet?
I masoned someone.
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Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now.
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On January 17 2012 14:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Foolishness -_-
While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"
But I gives a shit as of right now. to be fair to sheth, he actually supported protrac right from the beginning pretty much on a stance along the lines of "where everyone else says they are going to do things, protrac actually is as such he gets my support" or something along those lines.
That was only after repeated prodding by me BC. I remember because I had to ask multiple times for him to even give a reason for voting protact.
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On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L
...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying.
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On January 17 2012 15:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L ...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying. Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives.
I disagree. Makes more sense to protect, than to roleblock.
"Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. "
But again, this is extraneous, and we should not continue arguing about it. I already know the downsides of one or the other. I just don't like your reasoning on it.
Actually. I have an aside here. I'm confused by the Jack role now.
"Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. "
Doesn't the first bolded part contradict the second bolded part?
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On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos?
*Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz.
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On January 18 2012 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch?
I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum.
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On January 18 2012 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch? I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum. I have read your posts. You had a scum read on Lanaia and on BM as well. You reprimanded foolishness for suspecting you. However, I don't recall you putting your vote in this thread. I'm on my phone right now, so I'm too lazy to change threads and try to hunt through pages to find your vote. I also donMt particularly care, for reasons that should slowly become apparent to people who are reading this right now.
You ignored my issues with protactinum. Which I'm starting to get fed up with tbh.
Again. I'm going to say it. He claimed to have provided the thread with direction with only having four posts, two of which were EXTREMELY unsubstantial, changed his lynch target (if elected) from someone now confirmed as mafia, to BC, who I view with my strongest town read. Not to mention all the random early votes he received with absolutely no reasoning. But hey, who cares what I say.
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On January 18 2012 06:47 hiro protagonist wrote:
I care about what you say ~OpZ~ <3
what do you think of sandro?
You care what I say, but don't say if you agree with it or not?
I feel like I'm just questioning sheth about why he voted for protag again. Another four posts just to get a response on what I've said.
Half the people in this thread can't seem to get Sandro's story straight, or are confused he claimed mason. I've facepalmed repeatedly about this, but maybe it's because I've actually read BC's posts. So I haven't given him much thought. Care to give me some time to look at him so I can give a better opinion? So far all my notes say are that he shouldn't post while drunk. And this one interesting note when I was reading him and BC's chatlogs, he was actually pressing Ciryandor. So I'm going with he's more likely town than protactinum.
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On January 18 2012 07:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch? I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum. I have read your posts. You had a scum read on Lanaia and on BM as well. You reprimanded foolishness for suspecting you. However, I don't recall you putting your vote in this thread. I'm on my phone right now, so I'm too lazy to change threads and try to hunt through pages to find your vote. I also donMt particularly care, for reasons that should slowly become apparent to people who are reading this right now. You ignored my issues with protactinum. Which I'm starting to get fed up with tbh. Again. I'm going to say it. He claimed to have provided the thread with direction with only having four posts, two of which were EXTREMELY unsubstantial, changed his lynch target (if elected) from someone now confirmed as mafia, to BC, who I view with my strongest town read. Not to mention all the random early votes he received with absolutely no reasoning. But hey, who cares what I say. Nah, just forgot. You like jumping to conclusions, don't you? Now I think here's where I jump to the conclusion that you ignored how I hated on Protac too. Oh but wait, that's your job, not mine. Sorry, I'm bad at this roleplaying shit.
Yet my vote rests on protact and yours doesn't. I'm supporting my case with what action the only action I can.
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On January 18 2012 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 07:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 06:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch? I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum. I have read your posts. You had a scum read on Lanaia and on BM as well. You reprimanded foolishness for suspecting you. However, I don't recall you putting your vote in this thread. I'm on my phone right now, so I'm too lazy to change threads and try to hunt through pages to find your vote. I also donMt particularly care, for reasons that should slowly become apparent to people who are reading this right now. You ignored my issues with protactinum. Which I'm starting to get fed up with tbh. Again. I'm going to say it. He claimed to have provided the thread with direction with only having four posts, two of which were EXTREMELY unsubstantial, changed his lynch target (if elected) from someone now confirmed as mafia, to BC, who I view with my strongest town read. Not to mention all the random early votes he received with absolutely no reasoning. But hey, who cares what I say. Nah, just forgot. You like jumping to conclusions, don't you? Now I think here's where I jump to the conclusion that you ignored how I hated on Protac too. Oh but wait, that's your job, not mine. Sorry, I'm bad at this roleplaying shit. Yet my vote rests on protact and yours doesn't. I'm supporting my case with what action the only action I can. It was on Protact. I'd rather vote someone who actually has a chance of being lynched today. So far there is no indication that a Protactinium lynch will succeed.
And this passive attitude is what sheep are made of.
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On January 18 2012 07:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
what does everyone think of hiro?
I'm rather curious.
He's tunnelled against Sandroba. Bases much of his argument on meta, which I don't attach much note to. He subbed in so not much to go on yet. His case against sandroba might be pretty legit rereading his post, but I've also noticed he provided no contrast to how Sandroba plays as town so he isn't showing a difference. Very one sided argument someone on the mafia team would use. But I'm going with a null read as of the moment.
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On January 18 2012 09:06 Liquid`Sheth wrote:We have a few hours left till lynch and the majority is definitely on Macpo for now. I'm fine with this as I still think theres a good chance hes red . At the start of the day remember that Meapak brought up that we want to keep the candidate pool small. He provided Sandroba / Protactinium / GGQ as our "primary targets". I then added Macpo to that list thanks to primarily my re-read and thoughts on Protactiniums post that Macpo is red . As this day has went on, the two lurkers here GGQ + Macpo haven't posted much and this has led people to worry that perhaps they are just lynching a lurker and the lack of opposition to it makes them think that it will be a town flip. However I would like to point out that it would be practically impossible to "defend" macpo or GGQ based on their posts so far, so it makes sense that no one has went out in his defense solidly yet. I still believe our logic for lynching him is good and would like to get a red out of this lynch. If you haven't voted for a double lynch tomorrow please do. On to someone else who I really feel is red. I feel like we have lots of good candidates from this post here : + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd like to add my case against OpZ here as well. His first post is as follows : + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!!I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far... His second post : + Show Spoiler +
The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
Starts off by saying that Mason is a weak roll. And that people should be worried the mason is mafia (after BC claimed). And then suggests ignoring PM's as an idea. Mason however isn't a weak roll at all. Thirdly and weirdly : + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
Doesn't know about mass mason claim suggests the roll is bland, which I can understand. Doesn't want to feel like sheep. However eventually says that he is Mason #2 and that BC won't talk to him. Nothing honestly too weird here. 4th Post : + Show Spoiler +Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. Wants to ignore PMS again. Its not highly logical at all, its actually the opposite. It removes all logic. However after this he says that hes still going to PM Bill. Really contradictory about the Mason roll. He then flip flops entirely within 2 posts : First he says Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate.
Then : Show nested quote + I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him.
Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around.
And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player
So he at first suggests lynching Palmar then doesn't want to go after him because he is a "power player" if I'm correct in understanding this. Also HERE IS A HUGE MISTAKE. When he says that he just asked about Protact because "I just wanted some discussion on a player". Why would you say this? You don't want just discussion on a player. You want to find out what the player and the poster thinks in depth and why. You were so against Protact and then say this its horrible. You just want their opinion and discussion... you should want to know if they are Mafia or not. Next post : Completely unhelpful to town players : Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote:On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote:
foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe. With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. He is VERY sure Mattchew is blue : Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. However at this point there was no reason to think he was blue, at least no real reason any better then to think BC or even Opz is blue. All he had done was claim Mason. Its somewhat a good point for you that you wanted to vote for him, however at this point it was not completely obvious. THEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS VERY SURE ABOUT MATTCHEW; He changes his vote to L!!!! Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. No reason for this!! Only reason would be because he knows Mattchew is blue, so he just wanted to post that he thought he wasn't guilty and then to possibly go on to someone that is mafia. (Good chance L is mafia if OpZ flips red or at least slightly better chance) Going to post this now, because I don't want it to get too long. The rest of his posts are calling out Lanaia for being scum. When pressured why he thinks this by me he suggests that hes already posted the why. However he hadn't. He then posts the why which basically is "shes not posting much interesting information". Its not because she looks scummy or has acted scummy, its simply because shes not posting much to help town. Which may seem like a good reason, but I really feel its not that great. This is his complete evidence for why Lanaia is mafia : + Show Spoiler +Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch. So, if I do happen to die this night, I'd like this case to be top priority for tomorrow and I'm bringing it up early as I think he is red . ~OpZ~ the Mafia
most awful, and utter bull shit. Mattchew was modkilled for by the time I posted that, that which I had not known. WHY I WAS CERTAIN, was because of why he was modkilled. You could see his pms were only from Foolishness as opposed to if he was mafia, he would ALMOST CERTAINLY have atleast a pm from another person.
"Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far..."
What did you do? Just click my filter and read my posts out of context?
The portion was dedicated to Kita and Wiggles, FOR AS TO WHY I would say Foolishness would push BM as a candidate, not with regards to Kita and Wiggles reading BM. Has Wiggles even played a game with BM, (or am I confusing him with Meapak)?
Masons are terribly weak in this game in my opinion BESIDES in mafia hands. Sure, I can bounce ideas off one person in PM, OR I CAN BOUNCE THEM OFF THE ENTIRE THREAD. I believe this is something me and BC were in agreement about.
Then you point out me asking you about protact?!
Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once.
The portion about voting L instead of Mattchew, because I knew he was blue? MATTCHEW WAS DEAD, by the point. Jesus fucking christ. Learn to build a case proper.
You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact?
So lets note, everything you have as a case against me is:
A) wrong
B) out of context
C) a lie
While me pointing you out for voting for protact for no reason still stands, with the amazing defense of, "You didn't point anyone else out for voting for protact!!"
On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter.
In this post: He makes no mention of his reason for voting Protactinum, blatantly ignoring my question.
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On January 18 2012 10:09 jaj22 wrote:
@OpZ: Given that you think BM is easy to read, what do you reckon about his play so far?
For Foolishness maybe. I can't read BM like that. I like him, and used to PM him regularly. I've always said I'd cohost a game with him. He's prone to bouts of tyranny when he has power or a power role (see -TL maf 30, where he was Ninja [i don't know if its in thread, but it might be in the post game discussion, he threatened our town circle repeatedly because he wanted us to give up the other Ninja, whom was BC], and games he has hosted), so it makes his use of his sheriff power on Lanaia somewhat understandable. If Bill Murray has a power he will use it. As for his direction, and all that jazz? His posts are what he's thinking at any given time, and he distrusts atleast one of us masons. Other than that I haven't seen anything blatant from him.
What's your take on Protactinum?
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