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On January 21 2012 05:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2012 05:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea.  just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed. quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor? How is he supposed to know? Ask Sandroba... This is why it's hard to 'gain traction' with whatever lynches you have going, every 5 posts someone asks the leading townies a question and puts their decisions back into the spotlight.
yeah but I'd like to hear bc's opinion on that one. We discussed the post I am referring to a lot and a lot of people said I'm scummy because of that. That's what I'm talking about:
On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner.
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
I'd just like to know if BC thinks sandroba will vote a town mayor (as a mafia) just to get palmar lynched when supersoft and wbg already did the half the job. If he's a townie and thinks sandroba would push for a mafia mayor there's no way BC should vote sandroba over BC unless both BC and BM are town.
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On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote:On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you. On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it. Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two? Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel. On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread. Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered. + Show Spoiler +To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? So there really isn't anything i can post yet. Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post? So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now. Ok. Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff. I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed. I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order. I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore. Can we end the bullshit now? Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio?
Asking bm to tell you the names of the bodyguards is fine and is good. In fact both a mafia and a town mason should do that imo. A mafia obviously wants to know the name and a town mason is a danger for mafia. The only question really is if the mayor should tell you the names. Nothing else is in question.
But telling town that YOU know the names is not a useful talent toi have.
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On January 21 2012 05:48 p4NDemik wrote:
You guys have done very little talk in the thread about sandroba recently and if this is what you've suddenly come to why are you just dropping the case against BM like this? How is sandroba magically a better lynch now at this point in the game? How is kingjames a better lynch?
This triumvirate's actions are just puzzling and I simply can't fathom why you guys are acting this way as town. Surely you aren't all mafia but someone here is rotten. I dk this is driving me up a wall atm I need to get out of the house for a moment and do something else. I'll be back shortly in like 30 minutes to an hour.
as far as I get it bc and foolish are both "sheeping" protact because they trust him. Protact said he thinks sandroba is a good lynch as well yesterday.
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On January 21 2012 05:59 Jitsu wrote:@Toad Quoted from C_C Show nested quote +So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now. I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question. That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me. Enough.
yeah I know I was not fosing you. I actually don't recall how it came to the situation in the first place. I know you claimed mason but I don't know if BM asked you (specifically) to mason him to tell you the names or if someone else was like "so... BM told two masons the name of the BGs. Who are those 2 masons?" and therefore you went ahead and told everyone it's you.
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it's really funny. If those 3 would not push for sandroba I'd be all over him but I have still no idea how this happened so fast :p
It's not about if he's scummy or not. I'm pretty sure most people think he is at least scummy but the fashion in which we're switching is just so weird. Like everyone says white all the time and 10 secs later everyone's on "yeah black it is".
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On January 21 2012 08:27 supersoft wrote:
lol sandroba dude. I've been in Skype for like 40 hours now...
did he show up?
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On January 21 2012 08:56 Bill Murray wrote:
tonight I'm going to move my bomb to risk.nuke, since you all don't like it being on my top suspect
would you all be adverse to me putting my 2nd bomb out first? I'd rather have a bomb on incog and a bomb on risk.nuke, before I think about moving my bomb off incog, to keep my utility
The reason I claimed 1 bomb now is because I can move my 2nd bomb out tonight
If you all want me to move my 1 bomb tonight, I can't maximize having both bombs out tonight. What if I'm roleblocked? This is all a bunch of shit. I don't see why I had to be pressured today, this really hurt our play TREMENDOUSLY.
I was thinking about the Risk.Nuke situation when I was showering, and he really sucks. OMGUS all over the place, considering his tunneling started after I put him as #3 on my scumspects list. He's defending scummy Sandroba now? He can hang next.
I would either put my 2nd bomb or move my bomb on GGQQ, but it seems like he's going to get lynched, and I don't want to lose it.
you're immune to RB as far as I know. Quit whining about the possibility to be roleblocked :p
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actually I was wrong. You're only protected against kills, not against rb oO
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you are allowed to posts vote lists outside the vote thread. So what you did is np even if it's wrong p4N (did not check).
Also BM you said early on that you trust me to be town right? I won't say I trust risk to be town but I don't think he's scum.
What about a bomb on evantrees?
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how the fuck did GGQ get 9 votes oO
I am no longer scared to lynch sandro + KJ.
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On January 21 2012 09:14 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 09:09 p4NDemik wrote:Really hope its ok to post this in here at least as flamewheel isn't around atm I fear. Or he's too absorbed in DotA -_- + Show Spoiler [Unofficial Vote Count] +Day 3 Double Lynch Vote Tally
Votes for Bill Murray (11)
Cyber_Cheese
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
p4NDemik
Nisani201
Jackal58
Cwave
glurio
risk.nuke
VisceraEyes
rgTheSchworz
Votes for sandroba (15)
Toadesstern
Bill Murray
hiro protagonist
Nisani201
Protactinium
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Toadesstern
Jackal58
Bill Murray
Jayjay54
VisceraEyes
jaj22
Votes for GGQ (9)
Meapak_Ziphh
Jayjay54
Lanaia
Scamp
Cyber_Cheese
Slardar
vaderseven
kitaman27
Jitsu
Votes for kingjames01 (15)
Foolishness
hiro protagonist
Protactinium
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Scamp
Toadesstern
glurio
vaderseven
Slardar
jaj22
Bill Murray
supersoft
rgTheSchworz
Votes for Toadesstern (1)
wherebugsgo
Votes for supersoft (2)
p4NDemik
BrownBear
Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (2)
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Votes for p4NDemik (1)
kingjames01
Votes for Kenpachi (1)
BrownBear
Votes for bumatlarge (1)
Kenpachi
Votes for Slardar (1)
Lanaia
Votes for ~OpZ~ (2)
kitaman27
supersoft
Votes for Double Lynch (3/20)
Protactinium
Cyber_Cheese
jaj22 I don't know how these ghosts of days past are gaining momentum but this makes no sense. We've had no analysis on these people. GGQ should not be close to kingjames at all. I've been successfully relegated to the "he's pro town, but his analysis is bad" zone -_- Disappointing to see that so many are following sheepishly in this election. For the love of everything that is holy lets rally town. sandroba/GGQ are 2 day old theories that are stale and hollow, without significant analysis today. kingjames, BM, and supersoft have FRESH argumentation, logic, and activity/defenses to judge them on. They are mafia and we cannot let them off the hook lets go! +2 votes for kingjames, +1 for OpZ, and +1 for BillMurray in this, votes were added as I was tabulating
I like that you trust me but I'm not actually half a mayor. I can only vote 2 people and I most certainly can't vote sandroba twice :p
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On January 21 2012 09:34 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote:On January 21 2012 09:05 supersoft wrote:
who replaced erandorr btw? (or am I completely wrong right now?) I did Funny that erandorr refuses to play games when he rolls scum... :-(
he was mafia in that 80 player game. I made a case about him early on (like d2?), placed a fos on him, telling him to start playing. Still remember it because I was really pissed later on that I did not push for his lynch :p
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On January 21 2012 09:47 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 09:44 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2012 09:34 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote:On January 21 2012 09:05 supersoft wrote:
who replaced erandorr btw? (or am I completely wrong right now?) I did Funny that erandorr refuses to play games when he rolls scum... :-( he was mafia in that 80 player game. I made a case about him early on (like d2?), placed a fos on him, telling him to start playing. Still remember it because I was really pissed later on that I did not push for his lynch :p I need your read on sandroba now!!! :D sorry. I need to gather some informations. I might mason you tomorrow. Discussing this game in german is much easier. Otherwise I'll have to take jayjay. :-/
as mentioned if this sandroba switch would not have happened so fast I'd be all over him. I think sandroba is as scummy as someone can get but I'm quite scared about those 3 switching so "orchestrated".
I already said it somewhere earlier it's like everyone in this thread was like "yeah white sounds good" and 10 seconds later it's "yeah, black it is". Just a complete change within seconds and that bothers me.
However now that GGQ has caught up as well I'm pretty comfortable lynching sandroba.
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On January 21 2012 09:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
yes toad, you need to put your vote where you read is and vote Sandroba plz ^__^
I got to go, let me leave you with this thought:
If Bill is telling the truth, then mafia would get the chance of a life time if they could Mislynch him. They Kill an elected townie, and His Bomb goes off on the best scumhunter in the game, whom they know is town. Its win win for them and there is plenty of reasons to take big risks to getting him mislynched. Just look at some of the players that came out of the woodwork in the last hour to put there vote on BM. Mafia is taking the risk and its obvious.
Please, vote for who you think is scum, but dont lynch BM. that is all.
According to p4N I already voted Sandroba twice. Want me to place a 3rd vote on him? :D
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On January 21 2012 09:54 risk.nuke wrote:Let me tell you what happend. Scum decided BM was doomed, and decided to just go along with it to avoid suspicion. Which caused a few townies unease because everyone were agreeing on BM (aka seemed to easy). Combination with BM's bullshit-claim, which is just the worlds worst dumbest lie. Because you don't let yourself get elected mayor as a Mad Hatter to begin with. It's like getting elected when you're a veteran... ONLY MUCH WORSE. The only reason he bloody said it was fearmongering that we might loose protact who was looking pro-town. Comeon If he actually were a mad hatter why on earth would he even had set a bomb on protect. And do you think he would had missed the damn second night action if he had an that important role? LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES, + Show Spoiler +And 15 votes on sandroba. What? Where is the reasoning and logic to support 15 votes. the guy is leading jesus. and you're worried about reds wagoning BM!! + Show Spoiler +Townies, get of Sandroba or start singing why? Because if sandroba flips town I'll be going after sandroba voters with apocalyptic fury. TLDR: Get the damn votes back on BM & get your damn votes off sandroba or give me a satisfying reason to lynch him.
getting mayor as mad hatter is actually pretty awesome if this claim really is true.
Mayors tend to die pretty soon in general as far as I can see. It's hard to judge them so eventuall you will die as mayor mid-gamish. Mayor is not something that makes you survive the game. Mayor is somethign that is most likely going to make you survive like something from 2 up to 4 days. That's pretty nice as hatter especially giving that it's a game with 50 people and only 4 KP mafia has. That's a slow game isn't it?
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wat?
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player.
you get the ROLE according to our op oO
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am I understanding this wrong or is this a scumslip?
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On January 21 2012 10:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
fuck I just read the vote tally from flamewheel... far to many votes on BM
OK, I dont know if this is the right move, but I dont want to risk losing Protac:
I Am A Detective. obviously I got a red check on Sandroba night one. Some scum will try to argue that he was framed or miller bullshit. but his check matchs with his actions.
Now go vote Sandro and NOT BM for now!!!!!
With that Im late to work. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!
GUYS, this is important. Am I misunderstanding the op or is this a scumslip?
OP:
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player.
As I understand it: you don't get to know if someone is red or green but you get to know the role. Like if he's a vigi you get a pm "He's a vigi" and because there's no red vigis this game you know he's blue. HOWEVER hiro claimed that sandroba might be a miller or framed. How is that working in this setup?
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ok I take everything back. The problem is framers and millers
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from our op
Framer
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like framed. When framing somebody, you can make them show up as any role that you would like to Detective checks. You may not frame the same person twice. You cannot frame yourself.
So the framer is not changing red / green but changing roles this game. Makes sense I guess.
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