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On January 24 2012 03:47 Cwave wrote:Since Bill Murray went loco and "outed"the names he pm'd to me i will ask this to BloodyCobbler one last time. Bill Murray "outs" Brownbear as a BG. This is also one of the same names Bill Murray gave to me and Jitsu. + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2012 01:22 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone. Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this: brownbear kitaman BC donzo Before, BloodyCobbler assures that Bill Murray gave false names which directs the heat away. + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote:
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.
based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them But here you list him as lynchtarget. + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 04:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:
oh also I'd like to hear some names from you BC. Just shout out who you want to lynch BC right now. preferable after the night-/day switch as well. currently based on reading via filter. BM, WBG, and Meapak in that order of preference. After that insert Glurio, Evantrees, Munk-e, opz, kenpachi, brownbear. As there are 6 mafia left, some of those are obviously at this point not correct, but they all seem intelligent choices based on the play of each one of the. Does not compute. Is Bill Murray really a pathological liar and can i just straight out ignore him for now on and for all of eternity? Or did you infact list one of the bodyguards on your own lynch-list?
why not, there's a good chance that scum changed at least one bg if town managed to get the mayor in...
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On January 24 2012 04:01 Bill Murray wrote:
Und: Benehmt euch! ?????? =?
are we allowed to speak in other languages? German? Really?
yay for german two word secret language.
it means "behave". geeez.
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On January 24 2012 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:
hahahaha 
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On January 24 2012 05:21 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 05:17 glurio wrote:On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote:
With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote.
BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe. what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. I'll make a post later this evening before i go to sleep, got some things to attend to right now. Weekly scum meeting?
man they don't invite me any since the cow incident. IT WAS ONE TIME! CAN WE MOVE ON ALREADY?
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hey kita / opz. any chance you can post that log?
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On January 24 2012 06:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so here's how I see this. Six scum left. I have Glurio and opz down as scum due to glurio's slip that there are two masons and opz's scummy play makes him the best candidate for that second scum mason.
I have hiro as scum for a lot of reasons. He screwed up the format on his check, he claimed a check on someone who was almost assured to die, he didn't die last night, he refuses to release the name of his other check, he claimed roleblocked when the only other person to claim rb was the gf, his reads are waaaaay to good especially when compared to townie hiro, and he refuses to cooperate here in the thread. All of this has convinced me that he's scum.
These are my most assured reads, however that leaves three people left.
I feel good about a BM lynch. I hear all those who are making meta arguments against him, however he's just acted far too anti-town for me to justify a meta argument. He's lied more times then I can count. He hasn't jailed high priority targets, his reads have been all over the place. At this point he's become a distraction that's hurting the town and all he has going for him are meta arguments.
Two more people, I think the last two scum will be in the: bum, bb, nisani201, munk-e, and kenpachi crowd. I'll need to take a closer look at these people and weed out the scum from there.
Also people need to vote DL, we have a lot of scum to kill and I think between opz, glurio, and hiro we have enough targets to justify a dl. Right now we really need to lower scum kp and the dl will do it.
nice. someone to chat with. I don't think I ever talked to you whole game...
glurio slipped? can you elaborate? maybe it's obvious, but I don't see it. because he's mason?
you and opz have a little feud going on. I am not sure about both of you yet. OPz crushed sheth's case. But the case against you seemed kinda weak too. really want to see the logs or hear what kita says.
I don't know agree with the whole hiro thing. He has one hero post where he mentiones 3 scum. You really think that's scummy? He only really pushes for sandro though.
I already addressed that if he was scum who wanted to look town he could have easily provided sandros role and a second name (given that he already outed like half of his team).
scum has a roleblocker, dunno why it wasn't used that much, but there is def one:
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power will be determined when the game begins. You also must choose the Godfather, Roleblocker, Jack, and/or Framer from among yourselves.
I feel his play doesn't make sense from a scum point of view...
munk-e lurks hardcore, but he at least presents some points against bm, if bm flips red, he's prob town
bb yeah, might be replacable scum goon bodyguard.
nisani feels towny to me in his few posts.
Kenpachi is the only one who pushed a little for bum and you. Makes him stand out a little. Not in a good way. Feels random, there were so many better target when he was around.
I'm not sure about bum...
BM lynch is good either way. His play was beyond bad and I feel town will be more focussed when he's gone.
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. Do you think I faked logs day 1? Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself? Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious. If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him? You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases. Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler
calm down, look at the context, it's supposed to say "mafia mason"
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I still believe that no sane man would fake a log like that.
Keep also in mind that the second log (with Opz) looked completely different (I know WIFOM).
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On January 24 2012 08:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
hey kita / opz. any chance you can post that log? Page 171. BrownBear, any reason you haven't said anything this game? You have 15 out of 4000 posts and that's counting the spam and /ins. The things you do decide to comment on are strange, considering all the more important topics. Are you just waiting until you have to argue out of a lynch or do you actually plan to start playing 250 hours into the game?
must have missed it. thanks bro.
at least he claimed BG
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On January 24 2012 08:35 jaj22 wrote:Oh, I forgot about the Kita/OpZ logs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13236558Some evasive stuff from OpZ. Dodges questions on Bill Murray and L, doesn't volunteer any theories on nightkills. Does that "Quid pro quo, Clarice" thing but doesn't ask any questions himself. Not sure there's any reason for a townie to be that tight-lipped.
Tbh Kita was very reserved.
While reading them, I noticed the same thing as you did. When asked about BM, he goes offline. No reasoning why he didn't mason L, who he voted for.
This is especially interesting considering he answered all the other questions. hmm.
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On January 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
hiro protagonist, WBG, BrownBear, BM, Foolishness, risk.nuke
That's where I'm at guys. If BM flips town, BC goes where he's at. Foolish and risk I'm less sure on.
I'll be putting this list on every page that occurs between now and tomorrow morning. So don't bother spamming it out of sight scum, it's useless.
I'm missing glurio. Where did foolishness come from? I checked your filter you made one tiny post about him in the last 4 days or so. Is there even a case against him?
BB might be the ideal scum bodyguard, you might be right here.
Hiro stays town until proven otherwise. Setup reasonings are NOT valid.
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On January 24 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
JayJay - it's not based on setup alone - it's based on the timing of his claim, the information he's provided and meta. The setup discussion is just a means to get people to look at the REST of my case, which admittedly is spread out over the course of a few posts. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why townHiro would refuse to out his reports the night after he claims loudly in-thread?
I'm not interested in lynching glurio. He seems newish town to me.
yea, I read all of your posts on that topic and I always respond the same:
why wouldn't he provide the additional information and reports if he was scum. As scum you seek towncred, which means if you gonna falseclaim, get something for you out of it. He doesn't. He could easily name a confirmed townie or so as the second report and he could have easily said sandros role as scum. To me, not posting these things is actually a towntell with a reason we don't know yet. Oh and the RB might have been a jack action.
=> his play seems even worse from a scum point of view.
also, according to some posts in this game, glurio is a VET and great bluehunter. So, I guess newish town doesn't work here.
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glurio is not a VET but a vet. a good experienced player, sorry I think I confused the capturing. (btw how stupid is to call experienced player the same as a common role. call them silverbacks or so)
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On January 24 2012 09:15 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I meant that if BM flips town, then BC belongs where BM is at on my list because I believe that one of them is scum. So answer me this. If BM is town how does that make BC scummy? Cause I'm pretty sure the safer bet is if BM is scum so is BC. We have no dead bodyguards. If BM is red and BC is green we would have at least one dead one by now if the body guards are town. The only thing with anycertainty I can get out of this lynch is that whatever BM is BC and his body guards are the same.
if both are scum, why would they switch the bodyguards? There is no benefit. I'd keep them blue and kill one at some point.
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On January 24 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
If he is scum, he doesn't want to get the role information wrong, obviously, or it would out him as scum. He doesn't want to give the reports because then everyone will KNOW THAT HE'S SCUM! This isn't that hard.
As scum he HAS the role information and would never get them wrong. Because he is freaking scum. You said this point before and it makes ZEEERO sense. If he's a DT he has the full role information, if he's scum he has them too. And he also could provide right reports, because as scum OR DT he has a right report ready. Think a little.
"As scum you seek towncred, which means if you gonna falseclaim, get something for you out of it. He doesn't."
He doesn't need to! Look at you, all in here defending him taking NO action! He doesn't need 'town-cred' by 'outing reports' because he's got all he needs from calling out an obvious scum who was about to get lynched as scum. So you're literally saying that him possibly rendering his other reports completely useless by dying overnight WITHOUT OUTING HIS OTHER REPORTS as a "town-tell" huh? Really? Really really? How'd you come upon this conclusion Jay, I gots ta know. This is getting ridiculous.
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I am saying he doesn't really care what people think of him and to me (and may just to me) this is a towntell. Yes. He'd act differently as scum imo. And please be more aggressive.
But until then, why is the lack of one of your suspects suspicious to you? Why are you even mentioning it?
Maybe, just maybe, I wanted to add and improve your list. Without accusations. Bouncing ideas doesn't mean I call you suspicious.
It's odd and actually suspicious that you defend yourself here.
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On January 24 2012 09:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 09:15 Jackal58 wrote:On January 24 2012 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I meant that if BM flips town, then BC belongs where BM is at on my list because I believe that one of them is scum. So answer me this. If BM is town how does that make BC scummy? Cause I'm pretty sure the safer bet is if BM is scum so is BC. We have no dead bodyguards. If BM is red and BC is green we would have at least one dead one by now if the body guards are town. The only thing with anycertainty I can get out of this lynch is that whatever BM is BC and his body guards are the same. if both are scum, why would they switch the bodyguards? There is no benefit. I'd keep them blue and kill one at some point. Yes. Goes to my point that what BM is BC is most likely as well
yup, we agree them. was just correcting this part: "BM is BC and his body guards are the same". I'd be uncomfortable lynching BB if both flipped red.
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On January 24 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
If he is scum, he doesn't want to get the role information wrong, obviously, or it would out him as scum. He doesn't want to give the reports because then everyone will KNOW THAT HE'S SCUM! This isn't that hard.
As scum he HAS the role information and would never get them wrong. Because he is freaking scum. You said this point before and it makes ZEEERO sense. If he's a DT he has the full role information, if he's scum he has them too. And he also could provide right reports, because as scum OR DT he has a right report ready. Think a little. I am saying he doesn't really care what people think of him and to me (and may just to me) this is a towntell. Yes. He'd act differently as scum imo. And please be more aggressive. Wait wait, you're saying that scum have Role information? That's what you're assuming? That scum have everyone's role IN ADDITION to their alignment? Seriously? This is what you're arguing with me right now? That scum know the roles of everyone in the game, and would never be wrong by faking a DT claim? That would be broken as fuck guy! Scum don't know who are vets and who are DTs and who are masons! What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Oh, I misunderstood you.
You were arguing earlier about not telling sandro's role which he obviously knew either way.
Now you are refering to the role of the second person. I got that wrong. Sorry chief.
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I was assuming you continuing in the tone of those posts here:
On January 21 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 10:09 Toadesstern wrote:wat? Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player. you get the ROLE according to our op oO Holy crap Toad. Does the detective get role, alignment, or role and alignment in his checks?
On January 22 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also Hiro, why did you leave off the role information from your report? That information is just as important as the alignment because it gives us more information as to the topography of powers the scumteam has. Why did you just say "red check"?
which were very stupid, because he'd new sandros exact role either way.
Applied on the green report the argument makes more sense.
I am not backpaddeling. Stop being so stupidly aggressive and paranoid.
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why am I making mistakes like knew <=> new. I guess 1:30 pm isn't really a good time.
I'll wait your answer and make a final night night post.
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On January 24 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
As scum he HAS the role information and would never get them wrong.
This is what you're saying - I said that he wouldn't want to out his reports fully because he's afraid of getting the role wrong and your response was Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
As scum he HAS the role information and would never get them wrong.
Do you believe that's true or not?
wow. I am talking against a wall here.
let me try this again. I was assuming that you were saying, hiro is scum because he left out sandros role. which both dt and scum have.
get it?
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