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On January 23 2012 01:32 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:04 jaj22 wrote:
Google translate is fine, really. They're talking about whether I should be an orange read for flopping on Macpo and Sandroba at the end. To which I'd reply:
1. Macpo had something like 16 votes on him and was basically dead when I defended him. That would be some seriously dumb scum play. I eventually voted for him because he quit playing, like I said in the thread. I suspect scum had a lot more warning about that than I did.
2. I read a lot of Sandroba's games during day 3 to check his meta and came to the conclusion that he was at least plausible scum. Then he posted one drunken line in three days so I guessed he'd quit playing too.
I'm happier with those votes that my KingJames one, because I have a bad habit of reading people as scum just because they're abusive. I'd have voted GGQ otherwise in the situation though, and I'm pissed off at him for not trying even after Protact switched his read.
I'll check the macpo 16 vote thing later... you're orange that means don't lynch right now.
hey, thanks for including me <3
unfortunately, I got an application to finish today, it's a lot of work. I'll be rewarded with an internship at MAN hopefully  real life stuff is more important 
So I just scanned through your log real quick and will provide my opinions to it late tonight or tomorrow...
but the quick scan revealed that you didn't talk about BC/BM at all. Why is that?
Be back in some hours...
Go TOWN!
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On January 23 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote:
am I the only one thinking that claiming bullshit joat + not shooting + not being roleblocked + still alive d4 looks werd?
just stopping by. he claimed to be shot same day as you did iirc. and shots were missing indeed. no time to check myself...got to finish application
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Quick post before I go back to work. maybe you werent RB because you were going to shoot CC and n3 they knew you were out of actions?
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Qp: Because they know he's DT and can easily RB him. Also, if he was scum he'd knew the exact role of sandro, too. So he knew either way and just choosed not to...
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On January 23 2012 17:56 Bill Murray wrote:
BC + OpZ both look bad for the d1 action with sandroba
I'm completely fine lynching there, he's on my scumlist
I'm going to retract my mad hatter claim. I should have already done it, but I don't want to go out as a liar, even if I have lied this game, so I want to come clean.
I only did it because to me, I was protecting a pro-town power role.
I have 2 jailkeeps left that I can use to lower mafia KP
Mafia wanted the 3 votes, they didn't want a crummy jailkeeper ability when they have a jack, mason, framer, and roleblocker
Mafia wanted the Politician. They wanted the Floridian. Do you guys want a recount?
I don't.
Sorry man. Thats just too much. You are done here. Even if you are town (and I highly doubt it), your play has been everything but helping town. Actions like you did deserve to be punished. My vote will rest on you till your done.
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On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm a doctor
I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness
say goodbye to your protection folks
I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched
adios
a) you can do both, protect and jail
b) why didnt you claim medic in the first place?
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This is your last day here sheriff. Pack your stuff and get out
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On January 23 2012 22:55 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 21:47 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm a doctor
I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness
say goodbye to your protection folks
I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched
adios a) you can do both, protect and jail b) why didnt you claim medic in the first place? . This is your last day here sheriff. Pack your stuff and get out are you joking? I could have been saving, and trying to snipe mafia PRs? I am glad that I have saved 2 jailkeeps, then, I can keep 2 confirmed town alive in late game why the hell are you all lynching me?!
So you just absolutely wasted one jail n1 then when it matters n2 you miss it. You make no sense at all. And why did you claim mad hatter instead of medic? why did you lie about the BG? This is bullshit and you know it. Maybe tomorrow you are a VET and survived a shot and claim that both BGs are scum. You cant be trusted and your play hurts town a lot. Thats why you are lynched and rightfully so.
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On January 23 2012 23:07 supersoft wrote:
how is lying hurting the town?
i hate these general rules that don't fit to the individual case!
go cwawe, tell me how his lying hurted the town?
Yea you're totally right, you are threatened so you falseclaim mad hatter and take the best player in the game hostage to stay alive isnt spreading discord and confusion at all. Totally helpful for town. If you cant convince them, blackmail them...
Lying itself is not scum yet. Its kinda normal I guess. But this BS here is just too much to be helpful. If he stays in the game hoe can you trust him and the discussions about him will continue to shroud real efforts. He has to go.
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On January 24 2012 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone. Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. If both BGs are scum, scum can kill the mayor.
still makes no sense. he doesn't need to be scum for mafia to do so. It would work the same way if he was green. substitute BGs, kill BC.
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On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Woe is me, a scumtell, indeed? I think not. I am sad that we couldn't reconcile our differences. Every case on me has involved some other person. Noone can have anything real on me, it's all just a fake twisting of my words. I have tried to step up, and lead, and it is really not my style this game. I don't know what to do. I'm not a "mechanics breaking" player, and I don't know if I can trust players like hiro.protaganist or Foolishness, and I know I couldn't trust trusted scumhunters BC and Inognito/Mystlore hydra because which of them did the mafia run?
You are kidding me right?
First of all, most cases involve interacting with other people. Why? Because it's the freaking game.
And no one had to twist your words. Your jail actions, you calls, you lies everything made no sense from a town point of view. All you did was nourish confusion which is something scum people do. It's ridiculous that you accuse people who made cases on you, because you played poorly.
@toad: I am finally back home on my pc, will read and comment the log within the next hours. Thanks for your patience
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On January 24 2012 01:13 Jackal58 wrote:
No shit.
for some reason, he thought this was an arguement, dunno why.
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On January 24 2012 01:27 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone. Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to. If both BGs are scum, scum can kill the mayor. or, you know, them considering i have the list of two of them and ive outted them in thread if i was mafia i could just PM my mates
isn't that what you did to cwave?
also, did you place a large bet against yourself with your "too scummy to be scum" arguement? wtf?
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About the german log (reading it from the top and typing some comments on my way):
VE: yea, he’s hard to read. He’s overaggressive and I’ve no idea why. He pushes his own agenda really hard, I’m not sure if he wants to overcompensate, if you know what I mean. Might be scum.
Kita: uncontest shot n1. Clear Town.
Jayjay: yup that guy is clear town. He also posts awesome.
P4n: kind of had a townread on him, then he went on a little rampage yesterday or so. Still have a town read, but I’m not that sure anymore.
WBG: Null read. He’s very vocal. I feel I don’t know him enough to judge him…sorry
Nuke: yup, you’re right.
<3
Nisani: lurks a lot, but if he posts, posts towny => Town to me.
Lanaia: town, with little activity. Speak up girl . Und: Benehmt euch!
Jaj21: that particular post was a little unfortunate, but I got a town vibe from him. He seems to be constructive.
Zeks: hardcore lurker. Coinflip I guess….
that's it...Really want to read the rest.
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btw: are you guys sure about the double lynch? What are we gonna do with it? hit some lurkers?
I feel like there is some serious sheeping going on.
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On January 24 2012 02:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:37 Jayjay54 wrote:About the german log (reading it from the top and typing some comments on my way): VE: yea, he’s hard to read. He’s overaggressive and I’ve no idea why. He pushes his own agenda really hard, I’m not sure if he wants to overcompensate, if you know what I mean. Might be scum. Kita: uncontest shot n1. Clear Town. Jayjay: yup that guy is clear town. He also posts awesome. P4n: kind of had a townread on him, then he went on a little rampage yesterday or so. Still have a town read, but I’m not that sure anymore. WBG: Null read. He’s very vocal. I feel I don’t know him enough to judge him…sorry Nuke: yup, you’re right. <3 Nisani: lurks a lot, but if he posts, posts towny => Town to me. Lanaia: town, with little activity. Speak up girl . Und: Benehmt euch! Jaj21: that particular post was a little unfortunate, but I got a town vibe from him. He seems to be constructive. Zeks: hardcore lurker. Coinflip I guess…. that's it...Really want to read the rest. Hab den part über sie in englisch zensiert. Everything's fine! :p And yeah jaj21 is pretty much the only one ss and I have different opinion on. He said he wants him yellow, I said fine and later on I thought fuck it and made him light green again. I'd really say he's a townie. But Supersoft thinks otherwise. And as mentioned the rest will be delivered at the deadline before mafia kills people. We already gave out to much information and the only reason I translated it is because it's not exactly hard to ctrl+f a name and search for either "Mafia" or "town" after that particular name. So mafia probably knows what we're thinking and posting that log early on was shitty.
yea, you shouldn't have posted that as early. Google translator also works.
it's not as bad though. most of the people you discussed are not as controversial.
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On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks.
I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it!
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On January 24 2012 03:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:22 supersoft wrote:On January 24 2012 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any. this is the paranoia talking. Hiro is quite obviously fake-claiming DT. OBVIOUSLY bro. There's no town-oriented motivation to do that - especially since his vote is on BM today.
I probably shouldn't start this discussion, but it's pretty slow right now, so why the hell not.
how is he obviously fake claiming?
because he didn't provide the second name? scum could have provided it, too. because he didn't say sandro's role? scum could have said it, too. Do you have other indicators?
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:25 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 24 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also unvoted for Double-Lynch: I feel like we're all pulling in different directions and scum are going to take advantage of that tomorrow to kill 2 townies. No effin thanks. I don't agree with the hero thing, VE. But you're damn right about the DL! people need to unvote it! Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better.
hmm. I feel like the DL will be easily influencable by scum and it will be hard to see, because so many players have so many different reads.
So imo the DL will end up split at best and a green lynch isn't all that much information, if scum spreads votes well which will be fairly easy considering we have like 7 candidates.
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On January 24 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro is starting to be pretty beast at town guys - check him out if you're bored JayJay...his play is really starting to stand out.
His play since the reveal of his "role" has not been indicative of "good play". It's been indicative of hiding something: of playing for the other team. Like, take for example his reluctance to answer the question I was asking over and over until he finally answered me. He kept ignoring my request for his reasoning until he HAD to, and he pointed me to a post that says "I forgot"....while simultaneously pointing a finger of suspicion at me for "not reading the thread". Like, really? Honestly?
Add to that his obviously anti-town play - such as holding back his other report. He claims he wants to "breadcrumb" his other report. Why?! Why would he do that as town? He's an outted DT...by all rights he should be dead now, having not released his other reports. He should have outted his other reports IMMEDIATELY, giving the faction he's supposed to win with as much information as possible before he dies.
I understand resistance to lynching a claimed DT...but look at the other factors in play here - a ton of masons, little to no roleblocks...it doesn't all add up guys. Hiro is fucking scum.
Vote Hiro Protagonist for D4 lynch.
yea I checked him out.
but I feel like you jump to conclusions. if he was indeed scump why wouldn't he provide a name (maybe kita or so)? his play doesn't really make sense from a scum point of view either. If he claimed DT as scum, he'd use that to get a lot of towncred, which he currently doesn't really seems to care about.
so maybe there's another solution, maybe he masons, maybe he got a role back.
Right now, I have no reason to believe he is playing a bad scum dt play. it is more likely he plays a blue dt with something we don't know yet...
Finally, I oppose setup based lynches. "But...but...we were supposed to only have one dt". that's bullshit.
Please think about, if his play makes sense from a scum point of view...I feel like it doesn't. The "something which doesnt add up" is more likely a valueable information he doesn't want to give to the mafia yet...
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