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Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 00:33 GMT

#2458

On January 19 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad, I'm trying to wrap my brain around what you mean - are you saying C_C was chainsaw defending and is therefor scum? Or are you agreeing with him that people who are attacking you for attacking Sandro are scum? What are you implying here? Passive sentences are a breeding-ground of confusion...

nothing really. I thought it's funny because you could interpret it that way that CC himself is scum which obviously is bullshit because that would mean mentioning chainsaw-defence itself is scummy. It was just something I saw and thought it's funny

I'm not saying CC is scum nor wbg. I think wbg is an overconfident townie atm. Could change if he really wants to get my lynched.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 01:20 GMT

#2472

On January 19 2012 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:

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yeah, I want you lynched.

I also want BM lynched. So, first thing tomorrow = you and BM get my vote.

you still haven't given a single reason why you want me to be lynched.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 01:33 GMT

#2476

might as well give my sandroba.v2 to the thread as well since wbg still wants me to be lynched :p
Again, apparently nobody understoof what I was talking about in that post because it was a big clusterfuck. A lot of people said it's bad for X while X never was a topic in my case so I've took a look at it and think it's more clear about what I'm talking, enjoy:

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Toad's case on Sandroba v.2

Some improvements (getting more into detail what I am talking about + a nice conclusion) however I have nothing included that was not in version 1. This is because I think people got me wrong and I am focusing on trying to get this better for now. I don't think you'll lynch sandroba with everyone attacking me right now so there's no need to include new things, just to make things a little more clear.
Also, there's basicly 4 possible ways to prove someone is scum:
1) You prove he's a bad townie. That's the one thing you can, if at all, only use against vets. Proving someone is a bad townie is the weakest proof possible and it can be wrong.
2) You prove he can't be a townie. That's what people are trying to do with BM. Saving Lanaia is something no townie would do imo. That's what I'm trying here. I will try to show that he can't be a townie because he is dodgy on purpose.
3) You prove he is mafia. That's obviously the strongest proof possible but it's very rare. That's what I'd call scumslips. That won't happen a lot.
4) Metaanalysis. If you know the style of player A differs wether he plays mafia or town.
Again. I'm aiming for a combination of 1) and 2)

I'll just quote something sandroba said, it's going to be big:

On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia.

##Vote: GGQ

EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. In fact the post I quoted is the only one that really explains something. If you're a clever townie you don't believe a word I say, because I'm doing the same thing he accuses GGQ to do and I am accusing him to do. I'm only posting some thoughts, maybe a little explanation but that could very well be bullshit. Now let's look into some posts he did to back up what I just said:
This is important. It's the very essence of what I am talking about. It is not about sandroba trolling, it is not about the lack of contribution early on it is about the fact that he is using several things to dodge discussion, not explain his thoughts at all. Just what he blames GGQ to do! So basicly everything I'm quoting beneath this line has something to do with sandrobas post I quoted above! Here we go:

On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote:
Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass.
So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them.

[b]-tagged what is most funny / important imo."You don't have to worry about this because I'm thankfully town". He's trying to be funny, nothing bad but he does that A LOT and everytime he does that he's lacking an explanation. We can argue about how useful mayor campaigns are because like a lot of people already said they're pretty much the same and you it's hard to prove you're town in your very first post. Still I quoted it for completeness and examples.
Also, he hasn't scumhunted, has he? But that's just a sign of a bad townie.

On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:

1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.

2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.

3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.

1) is what I call troll-Sandroba. Not explaining at all. using the term "fuck yes I like it" and not dropping anything that makes it possible to analyse it. He tells us cyri is his top candidate (which is he know to do so as mafia as well, look up XLVIII for reference)
2) is not bad at all, no troll but no explanation again, however I don't need to see an explanation in such a statement.
3) nothing bad but take a look at his mass-caps post about that later on

On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote:
Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons:

1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows.

2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons.

3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great.

here we go. Finally something he explains, however, as many people already pointed out that's incredible easy for mafia. I think BC or someone else told us that this is a common topic and there's talk about this even outside games because it's controversial. No problem to share thoughts on that one as a mafia.
Again, quoted for completeness. It's a good post but on a topic mafias have no problems to do make goods posts about.

On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote:
MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE.

Another post of what I call Troll-Sandroba. Mass caps to make it even more ridiculous. Not explaining a thing and I guess he's using mass caps to make people laugh so that I ignore the fact that he's not explaining shit at all.
Also this reminds me of his other mass caps post from last game. Again, he was mafia that game and tried to confuse people with his trolls.

On January 14 2012 15:38 sandroba wrote:
OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period. We will lynch a baddie and if he flips town what the fuck ever. Town vets are going to get slaughtered/medic'ed soon and we will be able to make a much more informed decisionon their alignment. I'm going to still lynch ciryandor cuz he is ugly and smells bad. No one is going to lynch palmar/bc/whoever has a name because these guys are going to die or be scum which will make our lives easier. Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace.

He is contradicting himself a lot. I'll quote again "OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period." and goes on to suggest that lynching palmar is a good thing. I talked about this with him. He told me that he thought 5 our of 5 lynchoptions bc suggested are complete bullshit and only after one specific post palmar did thought that 4 out of 5 lynchoptions bc suggested are complete bullshit and palmar is okayish. It's another topic but why did he do that? I'd simply vote someone else into office. I wouldn't trust someone that gives me 4 lynchoptions I have a townread on to be town at all.
He is contradicting himself and again gives no explanation but " Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace." which is again, pretty trollish to (imo) make people laugh instead of think about what he's leaving out.

On January 14 2012 15:40 sandroba wrote:
@palmar fuck you start playing properly already

nothing really. People already called him out multiple times to start playing serious and he does the same. Easy to do for mafia. Not saying that it makes him look mafia but it's not something that makes him look green. It's just a null.
Again quoted for completness.

On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote:

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Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows.

same as above. Quoted for completeness (i seriously have to copy and past that word every time because I don't know how it's written

)

On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting.

Another troll of sandroba. Nothing important. Posting something that is literally nothing and gets away with it.

On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote:

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I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows.

Another troll. He's asked about his reasons, yet he REFUSES to talk about them. Why? Give me a single reason Town-sandroba would do that?

On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote:

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I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss.

After trolling himself CC is answering with irony to get him talking. Still nothing sandroba is doing. Sure he was literally asked this time to troll but you could have catched the drift to just start explaining his thoughts.

On January 15 2012 05:54 sandroba wrote:
K people I have a problem that I don't have anyone I can vote on because I don't like any of the lynch candidates. I'd vote protact if he changed back to ciryandor or BC if he change off of protactinum. I need to go out in about 30 min and won't be here for the lynch so unless fw can let me delay the lynch for like 6 hours I can't be mayor. Make sure I get sheriff though.
Fuck i need to decide fast.

nothing at all. No explanation and again saying mayor candidates look bad is easy to do for mafia. Same as above, not scummy but not townish as well

On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner.
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler

I already said something about this one: "we're not going to lynch a vet. Period." => "yeah let's lynch palmar". It seems like he uses his "we're not going to lynch vets" - argument how it pleases him depending on wether it's good for him or not because clearly this is not making sense at all

On January 15 2012 14:10 sandroba wrote:
Yo I'm back. I didn't even know there was a separate voting thread, so i voted here. My bad, won't happen again. Thanks for not modkilling me =)

He can't keep up with the thread / doesn't even know the rules. Isn't that something that, according to his own words, tell us he's scum? I'll just quote what I'm talking about from his mayoral campaign

On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote:
Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. [...]

On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote:
What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it.

calling out a new guy. I don't mind him callimg jayjay out at all. But "nice try scum" is just bullshit after jj's post imo.
Supersoft called me out last game for doing shit like that and he was right as well. Scum need to get some reason to call people out. Vet's won't call new players mafia after one post that sucks because they know new players do stupid things from time to time. This looks like sandroba desperatly trying to get some +points because again I can see him calling JJ out as a town player. I hower can NOT see him calling him mafia just because of one little post.

On January 17 2012 03:00 sandroba wrote:
Well if I could be sure vigis would shoot this dude sure. But lurking or not I'm pretty sure he is scum because of the way he is operating and lynching scum, lurker or not, generates a lot of good info.

wat? circular reasoning.

On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote:
I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm.

I'm going to be honest here: I disagree with him but it is at least an explanation. The only one he did on topics that are not easily discussible for mafias.

On January 17 2012 03:31 sandroba wrote:
One thing that tipped me off is him comparing my play to the game we played together as scum, which he should be able to do better and realize that's not the same.

Easy thing to do. Not providing examples. Just saying something.

big fancy conclusion:
Sandroba is not only lacking explanation in everything he said, he also activly refuses to give reasons to why he thinks the way he does. Imo he is using humour / troll-posts to distract from the fact that he is not giving a shit at all and everytime he did some fancy "fuck this, this is awesome" post or whatever else he could have easily just typed 1 or 2 lines to explain why he thinks the way he does. Furthermore, as already pointed out, he refuses do talk about is thoughts even when directly asked and dodges topics that are not easy to discuss as mafia.
I don't see him doing that as a townie.

So would finally someone tell me why it is retarded and I'm not taking "because it's retarded" or "Toad, that's retarded" for an answer. Just tell me why and I'll happy.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 01:56 GMT

#2483

I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 01:58 GMT

#2484

On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually be willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people who are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p

EBWOP: it's every time the same when I try posting at 3am... corrections withing my quote

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 02:50 GMT

#2495

On January 19 2012 11:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Toad is on there for being super annoying and disruptive, while constantly using

faces and in general having no balls or valuable opinions.

#1 You're telling me I'm on that list for being disruptive. I'd atually say you're the one being disruptive trying to lynch me for days WITHOUT a thing you said about me. That's the very first thing you said about me

#2

#3 yeah I'm not having balls. Are you referring to the fact that I gave up on my sandroba read ? ... oh wait

#4 I'm having EXACTLY the same reas/thoughts about scummy players you have and am agreeing with pretty much everyone on that list we had earlier, except for palmar and Sandroba. Everyone you think is scummy is on my scummy list is as well. So you're telling me the fact that I thought Palmar ist TOWN, while you thought he is mafia and the fact that I think Sandroba is mafia while you think he is Town is enough reason to lynch me. Because that's what it comes down to.

So if you don't try again with a little more effort I'm going to ignore you from now on because you're just wrong all the time and talking bullshit + Show Spoiler +

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:05 GMT

#2508

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
GGQ is cool.

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Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?

Here's the new list of mafias.

L
kingjames
BM
Toadesstern
SANDROBA
Jackal
bumatlarge
opz
chaosquo

Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start.

Brief explanations on the new people on the list:

BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.

Toadesstern

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Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here?

Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.

Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.

bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.

And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust.

wtf are you thinking about me. My case = My case about sandroba. I never had a case about GGQ (as you pointed out). I've got a post a couple of pages back that is called something like "Toads case V2" or something like that... you keep misunderstanding me. Also I already explained why your "Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes" is wrong and can't even in any possible case, no matter how ridiculous be true, you're still going with that. Just drop it, and think for a moment. I am the guy who wants to lynch sandroba...

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:06 GMT

#2510

On January 19 2012 12:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Adam4167 the Vigilante has been killed.

Maxella and rtgICEMAN the Townies have been modkilled.

Just to get this straight: I said I think adam looks townie. I think some people (wbg?) said he looks to be mafia. Boom next time I was right.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:10 GMT

#2517

As there's actually some people who are willing to lynch sandroba I'm going to try it again and prove my innocence. I'll vote for GGQ and sandroba. I said several times yesterday that I think BM is scummy and weird but I'd much rather not lynch into an office that early but given that noone was listening to me or willing to lynch sandroba I was accepting to lynch BM. That apparently has changed:

##Vote GGQ
##Vote Sandroba

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:11 GMT

#2519

I am a VET. I was shot. GG no re

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:13 GMT

#2522

btw, since so many people pushed for me I don't actually know if I was masoned by a townie or by mafia. I don't really see mafia shooting me unless I'm horribly right on sandroba.
But since there's only 2 kills I guess it was mafia?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:19 GMT

#2531

On January 19 2012 12:16 Protactinium wrote:

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Sorry, but sandroba flipping red doesn't help you at all, given your hilarious slipup yesterday (you certainly do remember, right?). You clearly saw my post, and yet conveniently ignore that GGQ is town. We are just going to lynch down my list today.

##Vote BM
##Vote kingjames

I just told you I'm a VET and I was shot tonight. Just believe me god damn it.
I did not make a slip. READ that part again PLEASE. Look for a post where I was like "sry guys it's 3 am in the morning and I'm going to bed now" I think the important part is one above that. I'm going to look for it myself and quote it. It explains exactly why it can't be a slip no matter how strange you believe it to be. Nah I only looked for the red part (flashy flashy), asnwered, opened my pm and still haven't read the past about GGQ in your post (or anyone else but me). I'm going to do that right after I found the post I'm looking up for you right now.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:22 GMT

#2535

protact, read it:

On January 17 2012 13:07 Toadesstern wrote:
idk VE, to me it looked like he's talking about probabilites but seems like noone's trusting me today so you probably don't want me to talk about it.
But yeah I don't know what to think about BM as well right now

I don't like sheriffing lanaia at all.
It's just a lot that sounds weird to some people (like what you mentioned). Don't know if that's a coincidence.

However I still can't forget what Protactiniumt asked me earlier:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote:

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On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content.
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[13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james
[13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me
[13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl
[13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr
[13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good

[13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed
[13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there?
[13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up
[13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am
[13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed
[13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up
[13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26
[13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic
[13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw?
[13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion
[13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games
[13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games
[13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months
[13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most
[13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh
[13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia
[13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do
[13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not
[13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_-
[13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh
[13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign
[13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar
[13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well
[13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now
[13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read
[13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself
[13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb
[13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet
[13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it
[13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread
[13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however
[13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness
[13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc...
[13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets
[13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post
[13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to
[13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly
[13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me?
[13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post
[13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post
[13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it
[13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm
[13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs
[13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs
[13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks
[13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people
[13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim
[13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op
[13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be
[13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs
[13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in
[13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total?
[13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba
[13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game
[13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan
[13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good
[13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs
[13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however
[13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not
[13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me
[13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia
[13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit
[13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do
[13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue
[13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go
[13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die"
[13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows
[13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool
[13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring
[13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most
[13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red
[13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now
[13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected
[13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover
[13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player
[13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are
[13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me
[13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure
[13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing
[13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more
[13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup
[13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think
[13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly
[13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others
[13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues
[13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game
[13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early
[13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree
[13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night
[13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you
[13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole
[13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player
[13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing
[13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work
[13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it
[13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep
[13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion
[13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key
[13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it
[13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up
[13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james:

its an annoying read
[13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours
[13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit
[13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim
[13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies
[13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny
[13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town
[13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use
[13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes
[13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason
[13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us
[13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times
[13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool
[13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance
[13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits
[13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town
[13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies
[13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well?
[13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role
[13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all
[13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form
[13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia
[13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue
[13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest
[13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks
[13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt
[13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think
[13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role
[13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected?
[13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated
[13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont
[13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl
[13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said
[13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you
[13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason"
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol
[13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red
[13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people
[13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself
[13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently
[13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over?
[13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight
[13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town
[13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way
[13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia
[13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also
[13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese
[13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad
[13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck
[13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my
[13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim
[13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for
[13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case
[13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too
[13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more
[13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red
[13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play
[13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him
[13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad
[13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible
[13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach
[13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic
[13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie
[13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact
[13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree
[13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up
[13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him
[13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town
[13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true
[13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb
[13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit
[13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do
[13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw
[13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons
[13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP
[13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec
[13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that
[13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose
[13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1
[13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd
[13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though
[13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it
[13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly
[13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon
[13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone
[13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to
[13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more
[13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night
[13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like
[13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it
[13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid
[13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town
[13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake?
[13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies
[13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers
[13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1
[13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game
[13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot'
[13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well
[13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game
[13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong
[13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game
[13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads
[13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1
[13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool
[13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play
[13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides
[13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere
[13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through
[13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes
[13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now
[13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha
[13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently
[14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here?
[14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now
[14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up
[14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40
[14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk
[14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow
[14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum
[14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia?
[14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow
[14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not
[14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac
[14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though
[14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious
[14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because
[14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though
[14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord
[14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell
[14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second
[14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me
[14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog
[14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town
[14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no
[14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean
[14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him
[14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game
[14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it
[14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia
[14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms
[14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid
[14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw
[14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I
[14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general
[14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons
[14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1
[14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah
[14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog
[14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just
[14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that
[14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway
[14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out
[14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit
[14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also
[14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast
[14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam
[14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg
[14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac
[14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor
[14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no
[14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link
[14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact
[14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds
[14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well
[14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog
[14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker
[14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm
[14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia
[14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively
[14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken
[14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts
[14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now
[14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog
[14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck
[14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view
[14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms
[14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\
[14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post
[14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it
[14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post?
[14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense
[14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening
[14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun
[14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw?
[14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time
[14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time
[14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now
[14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior
[14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful
[14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy
[14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb
[14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy
[14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs
[14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you
[14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz
[14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs
[14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me
[14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha
[14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye
[14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l
[14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good?
[14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't
[14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything
[14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet
[14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town
[14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia
[14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is
[14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup
[14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red
[14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is
[14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted
[14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be?
[14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L
[14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far
[14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3?
[14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia
[14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages]
[14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him
[14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game
[14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms
[14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl
[14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters
[14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play
[14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members
[14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it
[14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation?
[14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up
[14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets
[14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii
[14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it
[14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia
[14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red
[14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good
[14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving
[14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red
[14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning
[14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good!
[14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once
[14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice
[14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin
[14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes
[14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard"
[14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_-
[14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than
[14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op
[14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that
[14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception
[14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like
[14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P
[14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right?
[14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used
[14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently
[14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people?
[14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game
[14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post
[14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart
[14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia
[14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you
[14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden
[14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =)
[14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red
[14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno
[14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town
[14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good
[14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does
[14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience
[14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town
[14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red
[14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor
[14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's
[14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\
[14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay
[14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good
[14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome
[14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me
[14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched
[14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die
[14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always
[14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia
[14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck
[14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think
[14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy
[14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously
[14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me
[14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba
[14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote
[14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed
[14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread
[14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me
[14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office
[14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls
[14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort
[14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm
[14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed
[14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere
[14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol
[14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb
[14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing
[14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more
[14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss
[14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =)
[14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man
[14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long
[14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia
[14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game
[14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason
[14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game
[14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all
[14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch
[14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players?
[14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope
[14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now
[14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo
[14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo?
[14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6
[14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this
[14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint
[14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl
[14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac
[14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of?
[14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl
[14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up
[14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here?
[14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack
[14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck
[14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved
[14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =(
[14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night
[14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk
[14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind
[14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal?
[14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka
[14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw
[14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later
[14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog
[14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread
[14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then
[14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you
[14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts
[14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me
[14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man
[14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons
[14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck
[14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly
[14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people
[14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on
[14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1
[14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account
[14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure
[14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely
[14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive?
[14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted
[14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake
[14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power
[14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate?
[14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so
[14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly
[14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim
[14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you
[14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia
[14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly
[14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys
[14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason
[14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are
[14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known
[14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly
[14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though
[14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names
[14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too
[14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends
[14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha
[14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1
[14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me
[14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap
[14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling
[14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does
[14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him
[14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all
[14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia
[14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him
[14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by
[14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez
[14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes
[14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll
[14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town
[14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets
[14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry
[14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town
[14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point
[14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances
[14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot
[14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo
[14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who?
[14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis?
[14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later
[14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc
[14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway
[14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what
[14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58
[14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting
[14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce?
[14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works
[14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact
[14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see
[14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him
[14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people
[14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P
[14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch
[14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh
[14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me
[14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit
[14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world
[14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's
[14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully
[14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it
[14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made
[14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game
[14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented?
[14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell
[14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog
[14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better
[14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then
[14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him
[14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support
[14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of
[14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc"
[14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do
[14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1
[14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes
[14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad
[14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive
[14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1
[14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend?
[14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker?
[14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of
[14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs
[14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor
[14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread
[14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time
[14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll
[14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone
[14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: ....................
[14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't
[14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg
[14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten
[14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen
[14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT
[14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie
[14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh
[14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that
[14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like
[14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead
[14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post
[14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline
[14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not
[14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me
[14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results
[14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure
[14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere
[14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die
[14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan
[14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know
[14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know
[14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s
[14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik
[14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol*
[14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man
[14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100%
[14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info
[14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs
[14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb
[14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious
[14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to
[14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you
[14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him?
[14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town
[14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz
[14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red
[14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red
[14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red
[14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive
[14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red
[14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are
[14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless
[14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds
[14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case
[14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out
[14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected
[14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch
[14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough
[14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right?
[14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check
[14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi
[14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also
[14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me
[14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm
[14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%?
[14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no
[14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles
[14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets
[14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those
[14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont
[14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember
[14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar
[14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd
[14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red
[14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done
[14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts
[14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all
[14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote
[14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that
[14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll
[14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar
[14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum
[14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later
[12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back
[12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched
[12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller
[12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think
[12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that
[12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/
[12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread
[12:12:23 AM] james: lol
[12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread
[12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked
[12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man
[12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller
[12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad
[12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll
[12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia
[12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still
[12:14:14 AM] james: on incog
[12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game
[12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town
[12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop
[12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason
[12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[12:15:09 AM] james: from me
[12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else?
[12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that
[12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town
[12:15:23 AM] james: nah
[12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run
[12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia
[12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam
[12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me
[12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh
[12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion
[12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player
[12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia
[12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are
[12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad"
[12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in
[12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat
[12:16:14 AM] james: lol
[12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can
[12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off
[12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral
[12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way
[12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not
[12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair
[12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment
[12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be
[12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play
[12:17:38 AM] james: as red
[12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories
[12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx
[12:18:22 AM] james: lol
[12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong
[12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth
[12:18:52 AM] james: usually
[12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players
[12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah
[12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play
[12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up
[12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't
[12:19:15 AM] james: ace does
[12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying
[12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace
[12:19:31 AM] james: lol
[12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit
[12:19:36 AM] james: in the open
[12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia
[12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him

[12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there
[12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience
[12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him
[12:20:13 AM] james: hard
[12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean
[12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right
[12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ
[12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too
[12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed
[12:20:28 AM] james: lol
[12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot
[12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot
[12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep
[12:22:16 AM] james: haha
[12:22:17 AM] james: then crash
[12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today
[12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie
[12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man
[11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk?
[11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day?
[11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over.
[11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks.
[5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes

Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread.

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But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba.

Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it.

There is still no possibility for this OMGUS to be true.

1) He states that he does not believe that I am able to read what I said out of what Sandroba posted (important!)
2) He says he does not think I am bussing my mafia buddy
3) !!!Assumption of my own!!!: I don't think that he thinks BC is mafia

How in the world am I supposed to get that information I should not possess? Because you think that makes me look strange.
If I am a mafia and asked my mafia buddy to give me the logs (eitehr BC or Sandroba) this makes sense, because I could read the logs and therefor know what's inside the logs. However he said that's bullshit and said I'm bullshitting a townie into death. So impossible according to him.
Furthermore he tells me that I'm not having that good intuition to read that out of sandroba. Guess what when I am mafia and sandroba is town (because you don't think I'm bussing him) he's not going to give me his logs. Asking would be against the rules in the first place unless I'm another mason (sandroba do me a favor and tell him I did not mason or somehow contact you outside this game, BC the same)

Yeah I know you did not want to talk about it and maybe I know why but please, give me just one single plausible solution to this problem: How did I get that information I am not supposed to possess if you don't think I have the same alignment as sandroba.
Did I ask Santa to give me the logs?

If my logic is flawed somewhere tell me but I don't think what you're telling me is possible, AT ALL.
Now reading your post.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:25 GMT

#2537

yeah what you posted about GGQ makes a lot of sense. I unvoted GGQ and voted kingjames HOWEVER I still don't feel like voting into an office until I got more time to think about it. Give me another 24hours and more opinions from vets and I'll consider that. Won't unvote yet.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:32 GMT

#2539

On January 19 2012 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree 100% with Protact's list.

Also Toad apparently makes a living off of pointing out how many times I'm wrong. It's cute.

yeah I guess. let's summarize my thoughts (only those who flipped):

I thought Palmar is green (you did not), I thought Wiggles+kita are green when I said i like their campaigns, I said Cyri is red, I said Mattchew ist green (duh... I was wrong there), I said Sheth is a townie, I said I like Adam somewhere and I said L probably is mafia.

Yeah I totally get your point from your last post about me: My opinion really has no value what so ever and you probably should lynch me

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:44 GMT

#2543

On January 19 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Something doesn't feel right.

BM didn't incarcerate L.
Toad got shot.
I got shot.

Bill needs to get in here and tell us who he incarcerated. I'm totally not ruling out the possibility that a vig tried to shoot Toad, but that means that there are only 3 Mafia KP...which means that Bill incarcerated scum last night.

I don't know...something smells fishy.

I actually got the same feeling. Sheth said yesterday he thinks I'm mafia and he flipped [blue]vigi{/blue]. Could be his shot but idk. If there's noone else claiming a shot it was mafia.

What about asking vigis to claim a shot if someone shot me? Let's assume for a second we have another vigi that is not dead. If he would claim he shot me would that cause any harm? Worst case would be giving a mafia towncred because he can just claim he vig'ed me because he knows there was no vig. Something I'm missing?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:54 GMT

#2551

Could you please tell us if we got doublelynches? According to votes we got 25 people voting which is enough, but nothing was mentioned in your day/night-post. Usually something like "Doublelynch has been activated" is written within a mod-post to show that it was successful but I can't find that

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 03:57 GMT

#2556

On January 19 2012 12:55 flamewheel wrote:

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Reading comprehension.

man that's so complicated. Who's supposed to know THAT.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 04:20 GMT

#2584

On January 19 2012 13:16 p4NDemik wrote:
I want town to remember this page when supersoft flips scum. Remember the names of these fools who are mindlessly spamming.

that's what I keep telling myself ALL THE TIME when someone talks about how sandroba is a green.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 19 2012 04:21 GMT

#2588

On January 19 2012 13:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
:eyeroll:

Yeah, because if I were scum, I'd be SO concerned about protecting supersoft from the analysis of someone who went AWAL for a whole cycle. I'll remember this page all right - I'll remember it as the very first time I became suspicious of p4NDemik.

didn't you just say you wanted to stop with that wbg-style? You don't really have the same attitude.

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