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I hate post like that. Directing medics is a fucking aweful Idea. This doesn't encourage a medic to protect him, it actually makes him WIFOM if he really should protect him, because mafia is reading this very post. STOP DIRECTING BLUES. Trust them, they've been pretty great so far and know what they're doing. Especially N1: N1 red DT check, N1 medic save. Also 2 great vig shots. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:41 supersoft wrote: wrong. blues are dumb. dont trust them, direct them. don't say something with your own words, if someone else already phrased it with better words. from the general guide to mafia: As a general rule, normal townies should not attempt to direct blue roles or try to find out who is blue and who is not. Town power roles work better if the mafia are uncertain of what the blue roles will do. It is not uncommon for the mafia to have anti-blue roles such as roleblockers, medics, framers, etc. Therefore, if the mafia has a general idea that the medic will protect X, or the DT will check Y, they are free to mess with those actions if they feel it to be necessary. Do not make medic lists, DT lists, or vig lists, as they are generally unhelpful or even detrimental to the town . As long as you are doing a good job of posting constructively and sharing your suspicions, good blue roles who are reading the thread should have the information to know what to do. Don’t direct their actions just because you suspect they are incompetent. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Or, they already had a candidate who would be immune to DT checks anyway Inconsistencies much? haha  I always thought he jailed and bombed on n1 and did nothing n2. That would make sense somehow. Now, that he sticks to a different story, yea. He's a goner. I'll vote him. You can't be that bad when playing town. BC is town, protact certainly acts town, BM is scum. Also, town: he'll 99% claim that he's been roleblocked. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:59 supersoft wrote: the general guide didnt fall from heaven, engraved in stone. This is a opinion of some guy and I have my own. In this individual case, it's fairly obvious that the almost confirmed DT needs some protection. and it will be obvious to the medics as well. but you kind of destroy the shadow of doubt for scum. I don't agree with your call here, sorry. | ||
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On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote: No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection? I don't even.... @supersoft: I just think that without directing blues, the scum target choice will be even harder. whatever. where we agree is that a DT is pretty good, so we should keep him | ||
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On January 21 2012 21:30 jaj22 wrote: @Bill: You seem to be implying that you only have one night action. I don't think this is correct. Also your mayor run makes even less sense from a town perspective if that's what you believed. Plus (if he sticks to that story) a) if he was so sure lanaia or protact or whatever is scum, you'd absolutely use your bomb ability instead of your (a lot weaker) jail ability. b) He was all over BC d2, why place the bomb on protact, who already called 2 scums at that time. His plays make no sense, even if he's town, he's not helpfull whatsoever. There's nothing to make me believe he's town. If he's town, he did nothing to prove it and played terribad. I'll be voting him | ||
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On January 21 2012 22:51 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'm not asking you to jail hiro, I'm asking hiro to claim being jailed regardless of your choice this night. This is to assure we're lynching you, scum. You have escaped lynching yesterday by BS-ing us.I think that's unfair. Stop bending what i say, I believed protact was bussing, I was not 100% sure. Unlikely, now that L has flipped red. you need to start making sense. You want our DT to falseclaim something to force town to vote BM. Are you kidding me? Town will be able to vote. 6 scums left, our votes outnumber theirs by a good margin. We're in a good position. What we shouldn't do is start falseclaiming to push an individual agenda. We need trust and not that bullshit. If you want that town lynches BM, well convice the town. But not pull crap like you suggest. Please stop now, with this nonsense topic. | ||
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On January 21 2012 23:11 Jackal58 wrote: Drunk Jackal apparently has different reads than sober Jackal. drunk jackal is more awesome. can we keep him? also, good job typing drunk! | ||
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On January 22 2012 00:42 Toadesstern wrote: noone is directing blues. I'm just saying (and everyone else) thata I think it could ver well happen that VE or I get shot again. Especially after that sandroba lynch and well hiro is a dt. I'm not telling people to safe us like a mad man and everyone on us. I'm telling people that imo we 3 are all "noobs" and therefore people might not think about us. It's not an advice to protect us but an advice to think about us :p you weren't even involved in this, why are you defending yourself? and yes, that was directing blues. I am confident in our blues, they gonna nail it. that's all on that topic. I am pretty sure the medics know what to do and this is not getting us anyway! So toad, who's next on you lynch list? | ||
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After looking through his filter, I am sure evantree is scum. I was goind to make a case, but after I was halfway done, I realized that this is bullshit, because it is so damn boring. He makes so few moves to argue with that it is really uninteresting. So let me sum it up: a) ZERO contributions. He actually has some posts, but none contribute scumhunting in any way. He never accused anyone. b) He softdefends sandro in this post. Just to move on and do the chameleon move of voting KJ and sandro herehere. Without any real reason. c) Most of his posts are clarification posts. Somebody asks about masons, he's there. Somebody didn't understand DLs he's there. Replacements check? He's always there. The definition of non-contributing contribution. d) his last posts were 4 one liners without any content. e) a) You'll see that his main theme is "contributing without actually contributing". If you don't believe it, go through his filter and see what he did so far. This is why, evantree is scum! Farewell! | ||
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On January 22 2012 06:02 jaj22 wrote: Yeah. Unfortunately this is exactly how he played in Election Mafia. I'd have had him lynched easily if it wasn't for his proven blue claim (it was a very weak role). I even told him after the game that he needed to start accusing people, so his play here has been very disappointing to me. I wouldn't vig him personally because the meta gives him a low chance of being mafia, but if he doesn't step up his play soon I'll get angry. @Evantrees: Three scum reads please. With reasons. uhm, yeah. First game, so no meta reads from me, sorry  Right now, he doesn't do shit for town, maybe he'll step up now! | ||
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On January 22 2012 06:04 p4NDemik wrote: JayJay if you actually read those logs and don't want to lynch Protact right now you are just as red as he is. Did I miss something? Why is your post straight up at me? I read the entire log, there was some noob bashing (I died a little inside  ), but other than that?Can you point out what you exactly mean? | ||
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On January 22 2012 08:40 Cwave wrote: If a bodyguard is killed, will it show that he was a bodyguard? If this is the case, BM lied to me in the pm's. On January 14 2012 07:38 flamewheel wrote: Town flip Bodyguard. Red flips Bodyguard in addition to any role he or she may have otherwise. | ||
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Weird GGQ lynch. Might be a vig kill. Or the WIFOM version: Might be to spread confusion. To me there's only one possible lynch right now: BM. Look at his behaviour and the cases against him. And look at the people voting him d1. He is the scum candidate we are looking for. BC is certified town in my eyes. The idea that he faked that skype log is next to ridiculous. Hydra's dead, that leaves only BM. The bomb is gone, I feel confident to lynch him. Also, when you are town sherriff at the verge of being lynched why wouldn't you jail somebody? I know, I would. All in all, I feel like the choice is easy. So let's not let any confusion distract us from our task today: => ##vote Bill Murray I am not convinced yet that a DL is the right action. Maybe that changes. @ evantrees: sorry about your name. please contribute more in a accusing manner. Someone (jaj?) already pointed out that you played similiarly when you were in a different game as town. So maybe I misread you. But you making it freaking hard to figure out that you're town when you do nothing which gives you some profile. Step it up! Your other post was a step in the right direction, but I feel there's room to grow. | ||
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On January 22 2012 19:04 p4NDemik wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks (now vaderseven) Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear (super super super super lurker atm) sandroba igabod (replaced by jaj22) Erandorr (replaced by hiro protagonist, our claimed detective who has not revealed the rest of his info) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Replacements are being sought after, though I'm sensing modkills. I hope everyone will excuse me putting myself as green. I am not against you guys keeping an open mind at all but I want to show my thought process here. I know I am not mafia thus I will use that in my deductive reasoning. I also now realize I need to clarify BM's lynch candidate now though because I have neglected that thus far and it is a stupid oversight for which I apologize. A look at his filter shows he initially wanted CC dead but renigged on that and decided on the 14th 1 day in that we should kill sandroba. Big town points for BM I'm surprised I've finally found something pro-town. Alas, BM switched off of sandroba on the 14th at roughly 19:00 KST (rather early on at the time of the second vote count I have listed). He wanted OpZ or Mattchew dead at this point. At 21:00 KST he seems to be back on the sandroba death train (albeit not as strongly as before and after a lot of switching now). Up until the end of the election he wanted sandroba to die as evidenced by this post. OK MAJOR townpoints for BM I apologize for not fully realizing this and being to lazy to go fully through your filter because you looked like such an idiot townie and therefor so red. *** PEOPLE THIS IS CRUCIAL BOTH PROCTACT AND BM WANTED MAFIA DEAD IF THEY WERE ELECTED. THIS IS REASON TO KEEP BM ALIVE FOR THE MOMENT AND ATTACK WHO ENDED UP AS MAYOR: BloodyC0bbler *** It is possible BM is still a mafia candidate who they sacked for the best candidate though, but this sheer fact should keep our town idiot alive. Now for more analysis! All of our flipped reds are now present (at least represented in the list as sandroba did not vote). Sandroba not voting makes sense, an active mafioso doesn't vote to help spread the mafia vote - not voting does in a way spread the vote. With the vote as close as it was I have my doubts this was entirely intentional though, but even moreso I doubt they would have any more than 1 fellow mafia that didn't vote in addition to sandroba. Now lets move on to the votes because fuck those people that didn't vote and got mod-killed or played horribly like kj (I don't hate you kj, but COME ON!!  ). Protact I will forgive in honor of his great deeds done for town, that and the other viable candidates look to be at this point very much possible mafia. There very well may not have been another good town candidate left at this point. Jitsu votes early in these last few hours. His vote is pretty cruicial because it tied Protactinium with the suspect mafia candidates. This vote and the ones that followed put a lot of pressure on the mafia. He is unlikely to be mafia by my book, but not exempt of scrutiny as he hasn't done enough during the game to warrant anyone trusting this read too much. Protact is getting major traction at this point. blahz0r, bumat, and I all vote Protact. Bumat and blahz0r both unvote at this point as well and there is only a little over an hour left. Protact has a 3 vote lead! Needless to say my vote at this moment of time makes me look even more green because I was the vote that put Protact in the lead. This is a fortunate coincidence for me at this point in time but honestly after all the effort I've put in for town I hope you guys believed my town-ness before I had to make this point. #1 priority for mafia during the election is to escape the day without any of their crew dying. #2 is getting elected roles. As always is the priority of not being found out. Lets delve farther into the vote though. I'm going to be looking at every vote now because they are getting more and more crucial. Context is important for each vote. We have our top lurker of the game award winning Munk-E showing up to vote BM! Likely mafia voting for likely mafia in my eyes. This vote puts BM at 7 votes to Protacts 11. BC has 8 votes. VisceraEyes unvotes the pointless wherebugsgo campaign and revotes for Protactinium. We'll be seeing more from him later though. Protact now has 12 votes, with BM at 7 and BC at 8. For now this is a townie looking vote with townie motives. Evantrees attempts to vote for VisceraEyes, but fails to unvote. His vote will stay on his initial vote of kitaman27. Don't know what to say about this. Stupid town play, mafia play status is uncertain. We have bigger fish to fry atm lets look to the next vote. Nisani201 has unvoted sandroba and switched to Bill Murray! This could be a very telling vote. His was one that could have been a mafia trying to spread votes earlier, but now their nuts are in a vice, and he is consolidating. Both of his votes have possible mafia motives. Upgrade this guy to orange on our town security scale! Reminder to self: we need to look at his post reasoning in depth when time allows. As well as his entire filter by that measure. Protact has 12, BM has 8, and BC has 8 votes. EchelonTee votes Bill Murray. Also a suspect vote and worth looking into his filter and vote reasons with a close eye for bullshit. He did not unvote and he did not have a previously smelly post so I won't put his priority level above that of Nisani though. Protact has 12 votes, BM 9, and BC 8. Slardar unvotes Protactinium and votes for WBG now. This is a bit of a lateral move in the mafia's eyes. Protact now is at 11 with BM 9 BC 8. Slardar's vote doesn't further their agenda anymore than bringing down Protact's vote count. Still could be mafia yanking support when in a pinch but not as suspect as Nisani again. Could also be mafia spreading their vote. Dk. Protact 11 BM 9 BC 8. Mr Wiggles, townie, votes for BM, fuck our lives right? Oh well he's a townie and Protact is up 11 to BM's 10 and BC's 8. BC votes now. He votes for Meapak, a cadidate that in his works "he at least knows isn't retarded." This doesn't help town, and can possibly be mafia hiding in the woodwork of a candidate who had no prior support. ADDENDUM: BOTH OTHER VIABLE CANDIDATES WANTED SCUM DEAD IN FACT highly suspicious vote highly suspicious reasoning. No town points rewarded for BM and he does not pass go. Protact 11, BM 10, and BC 8. This is where mafia makes their play. Now supersoft, my pet mafia project dejour that I haven't forgotten switches his vote from BM to BC. SUPER SUSPICIOUS. Protact 11, BM 9, BC 9. BC IS RED AND SO IS THIS SCUM. They both need to die ASAP. Sheeping mafia scumbag who BC defended needs to go. Ciryandor votes for BM. Protact 11, BM 10, BC 9. Mafia motives will become more clear with the final votes. wherebugsgo votes for BC. Protact 11, BM 10, BC 10. I previously thought he was just bad town but wherebugsgo could very well be mafia folks. Need to read his filter over again, all I can think off the top of my head is he hasnt' don't much pro-town lately or ever as far as I know but until now I've passed it off as bad play. VisceraEyes UNVOTES Protact and votes BC. Crucial vote puts BC in as mayor. Crucially suspicious. Need to read this guy's filter (this is frustrating because his outbursts made me think he was stupo-town). BC 11, BM 10, Protact 10. Finally kitaman votes Bill Murray. Ties the candidates but BC wins by tiebreaker rules. I dk could be mafia could be town but this guy has been lurking hardcore to my recollection so he warrants a look regardless. Jitsu unsuccessfully tries to withdraw his vote for Protact and vote for BC. Could be a panicked mafia making a mistake before his buddies realized they had won or before they had time to properly talk to him. Could be a lazy townie. I don't know. BUT TL:DR: BloodyC0bbler is DEAD RED and I need your help town to make sure he goes TONIGHT. BM wanted to kill sandroba during the lynch and this should earn him one more day of life. His prior idiocy prevented me from verifying this and made me ignore his I told you so's like the rest of you. Please town! [big]##Vote BloodyC0bbler[/big I really appreciate your efforts. I do. But your analysis has some flaws. a)You fail to mention that BC switches his lynch target some minutes before the deadline. This is crucial here. He switches to Palmar who I believe a lot of people wanted dead. I'd agree that it still looks suspicious as shit. I made a lot of remarks concerning that. But it has to be mentioned. Without this fact, the last minute switches are instant scum. But with a target change, they are a little more justifyable (is that a word?). People who liked BC, but didn't agree with the lynch were likely to hop on now. b) You just mark all the vote hoppers as scum and ignore the fact that the actual confirmed scum voted BM. c) You ignore the fact of the 8-page skype log which would take hours and hours to fake. If you didn't read it, read it. It would be an insane effort to fake a casual conversation about the game that well. This here rules BC as scum out, in my opinion. Your analysis is good, but you jump to conclusions. I made a similiar one on night 1 and made a similiar error (though getting to a scum target ). So town: vote BM and not BC. | ||
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On January 22 2012 19:45 risk.nuke wrote: Actually no jay. Switching target lastminute to one of the best scumhunters in the game just because a few voices wanted it is not a little more justifyable imo. From a scum perspective it's convenient. Still BM needs to die today. I hope I'm right that he is scum and that madman haven't put a bomb on me. ##Vote BM ##Vote DL I agree, that is why I made a huge post calling BC scum at the beginning of n1. But it has to be mentioned nonetheless, because if the target change hadn't occured there would be no town explanation for this. However, there is the possibility of the switches being because of the target. Now that we know sandro is red and see the logs this possibility is a lot more likely to me than BC and sandro sitting at home for 6 hours and faking a conversation log. | ||
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On January 22 2012 19:48 p4NDemik wrote: Ok so IEM Kiev last day is starting and Zenio is still in it so I think I'll stay awake for the moment or at least until Zenio is eliminated. JayJay54 why would sandroba not vote for BC in the vote thread? BC was the only candidate who wasn't going to lynch scum. It looks like an actual mafia mistake. I have not marked all of the vote-hoppers as scum. I list them as suspect. supersoft is the only one I am sure is scum along with BC and Foolishness (almost just as likely as supersoft). I don't think a last minute vote switch is something that is going to garner more town support at all. We saw vote switches stall Protactinium's campaign and indecision and vote switching is sketchier the closer you get to the deadline. The circumstances of this "compromise" made it even more suspect in my eyes. I don't see how this is a good arguing point saying these votes are more likely to be town and BC is more likely to be town. Logs can and have been faked before. I've seen it in games. Other people have attested to seeing it happen in games. Other people in this thread have attested to doing it themselves in games. BC is gutsy mafia. This is something he would do. Again not a reason to ignore my case for BC. Yes, my analysis is good, and BM WANTED SCUM DEAD. Day 1! Why are you voting for him over the more suspect BC? ok, so sandro is a mafia mistake. hmm. Logs may be faked. But there is no reason to fake something that long. I copied it in MS Word and it has 20 pages. You seriously think they made up 20 pages??? And it is well faked. I actually think it would be hard to fake it in one day. It's like a 20 page essay and you have to think of like every line. If you take that Opz log, that would be something which could be fake...but not that huge thing. you excuse BM because he wanted to lynch scum and list foolishness as "sure scum"? have you seen this post? It is freaking on spot: "9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L." Is the first paragraph. L and Macpo listed as scum, GGQ leaning town. Posted January 17th 13:28 KST. It is pretty much the best post yet. And it was pretty early. So no, I absolutely don't think foolishness is scum. And neither is BC. He'd be insane to fake 20 pages. The log didn't even make him green until sandro flipped red. I really think that you genuinely think that, please reconsider. How much benefit he has from faking a 20 page log that well. It's insane. For everyone who missed the log: On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said I would hand out my messages from yesterday I am throwing em up now. As a note the information containing the information for decrypting the message for bgs is obviously going to be missing. Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content. + Show Spoiler + [13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james [13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me [13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl [13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr [13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol [13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good [13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed [13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there? [13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up [13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am [13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed [13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ? [13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up [13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26 [13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic [13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw? [13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion [13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh [13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games [13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games [13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months [13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most [13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh [13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia [13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do [13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not [13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_- [13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh [13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign [13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar [13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol [13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well [13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now [13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read [13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself [13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb [13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet [13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it [13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread [13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however [13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness [13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc... [13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets [13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post [13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to [13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly [13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me? [13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post [13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post [13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it [13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm [13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs [13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs [13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks [13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people [13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim [13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op [13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be [13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs [13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in [13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total? [13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba [13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game [13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan [13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good [13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs [13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however [13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not [13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me [13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia [13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other [13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town [13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit [13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do [13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue [13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go [13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die" [13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows [13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool [13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring [13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most [13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red [13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now [13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected [13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover [13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player [13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are [13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me [13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure [13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing [13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more [13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup [13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think [13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly [13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others [13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues [13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game [13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early [13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree [13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night [13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you [13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole [13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player [13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing [13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work [13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it [13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep [13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion [13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key [13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it [13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up [13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james: its an annoying read[13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours [13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit [13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim [13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies [13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny [13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions [13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it [13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town [13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use [13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes [13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason [13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us [13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times [13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly [13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons [13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool [13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much [13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance [13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits [13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town [13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies [13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well? [13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role [13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all [13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form [13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia [13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue [13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest [13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much [13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks [13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt [13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think [13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role [13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected? [13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated [13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont [13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl [13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said [13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you [13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected [13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason" [13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol [13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red [13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people [13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself [13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently [13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over? [13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight [13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town [13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way [13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia [13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also [13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese [13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad [13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck [13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my [13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim [13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for [13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case [13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too [13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more [13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh [13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red [13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play [13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him [13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad [13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible [13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach [13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic [13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie [13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact [13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree [13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up [13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him [13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town [13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true [13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb [13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit [13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do [13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw [13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons [13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP [13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec [13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that [13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose [13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1 [13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd [13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though [13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it [13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly [13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon [13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone [13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to [13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more [13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night [13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like [13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it [13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid [13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town [13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake? [13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies [13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers [13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1 [13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game [13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot' [13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well [13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game [13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong [13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game [13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads [13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1 [13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool [13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play [13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides [13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere [13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through [13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes [13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now [13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha [13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently [14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo [14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here? [14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now [14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up [14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40 [14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk [14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow [14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum [14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia? [14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow [14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not [14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac [14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though [14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious [14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because [14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though [14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord [14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell [14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second [14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me [14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog [14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town [14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no [14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean [14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm [14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him [14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game [14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it [14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm [14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia [14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself [14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms [14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid [14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw [14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I [14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general [14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons [14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1 [14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah [14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog [14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just [14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself [14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that [14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway [14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out [14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit [14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also [14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast [14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam [14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg [14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac [14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor [14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ? [14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no [14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link [14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact [14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds [14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well [14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog [14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker [14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm [14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia [14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively [14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken [14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts [14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now [14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig [14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs [14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog [14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck [14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ? [14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view [14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms [14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\ [14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post [14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it [14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post? [14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense [14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening [14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously [14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun [14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw? [14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really [14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it [14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time [14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time [14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now [14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior [14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful [14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy [14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit [14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb [14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy [14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs [14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit [14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you [14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz [14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs [14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me [14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha [14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye [14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l [14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good? [14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't [14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything [14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet [14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town [14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia [14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is [14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup [14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms [14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red [14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms [14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is [14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted [14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be? [14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L [14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far [14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to [14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to [14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3? [14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia [14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages] [14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him [14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game [14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms [14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl [14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters [14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play [14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members [14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it [14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation? [14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up [14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets [14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii [14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it [14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad [14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles [14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia [14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red [14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good [14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving [14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red [14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning [14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good! [14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once [14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice [14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin [14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes [14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard" [14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_- [14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than [14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op [14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that [14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception [14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like [14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P [14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right? [14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used [14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently [14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people? [14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game [14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post [14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart [14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia [14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you [14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden [14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =) [14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge [14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red [14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno [14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town [14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge [14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good [14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does [14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience [14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town [14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red [14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor [14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's [14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\ [14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay [14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good [14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome [14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me [14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh [14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched [14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die [14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always [14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia [14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck [14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think [14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy [14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously [14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me [14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba [14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote [14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed [14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread [14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me [14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office [14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls [14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort [14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm [14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed [14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere [14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol [14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb [14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing [14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more [14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss [14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =) [14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man [14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long [14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia [14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game [14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason [14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game [14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all [14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch [14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players? [14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope [14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now [14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo [14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo? [14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6 [14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this [14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint [14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl [14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac [14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of? [14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl [14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up [14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here? [14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_- [14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack [14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled [14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck [14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved [14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =( [14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night [14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk [14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk [14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk [14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind [14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal? [14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P [14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka [14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw [14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later [14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog [14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread [14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then [14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day [14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable [14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you [14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts [14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me [14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man [14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons [14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh [14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness [14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck [14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly [14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2 [14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait [14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people [14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on [14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1 [14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account [14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts [14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable [14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure [14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely [14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive? [14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted [14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake [14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power [14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate? [14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so [14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly [14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim [14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you [14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia [14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness [14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly [14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms [14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys [14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason [14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms [14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are [14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled [14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known [14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly [14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though [14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names [14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too [14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends [14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha [14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1 [14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me [14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap [14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling [14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does [14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him [14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all [14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia [14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him [14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by [14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez [14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure [14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes [14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll [14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town [14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets [14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry [14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town [14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point [14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances [14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot [14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo [14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who? [14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis? [14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later [14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc [14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway [14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what [14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58 [14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting [14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce? [14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously [14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works [14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact [14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea [14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see [14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him [14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh [14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people [14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P [14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch [14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh [14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me [14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit [14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world [14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's [14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully [14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it [14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made [14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game [14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented? [14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell [14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog [14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better [14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then [14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him [14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts [14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit [14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support [14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of [14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc" [14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts [14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts [14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do [14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1 [14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes [14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad [14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive [14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1 [14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend? [14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker? [14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of [14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs [14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor [14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread [14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time [14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll [14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone [14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: .................... [14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't [14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch [14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg [14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice [14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in [14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten [14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get [14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected [14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen [14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT [14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch [14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie [14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh [14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that [14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice [14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like [14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead [14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post [14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline [14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not [14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me [14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results [14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure [14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher [14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere [14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die [14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan [14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know [14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know [14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s [14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are [14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well [14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik [14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol* [14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man [14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100% [14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info [14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs [14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb [14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious [14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to [14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you [14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him? [14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher [14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town [14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz [14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info [14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1 [14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red [14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1 [14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red [14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info [14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red [14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive [14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red [14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are [14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless [14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds [14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case [14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out [14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected [14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent [14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them [14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch [14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough [14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right? [14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check [14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea [14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi [14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also [14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness [14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me [14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm [14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%? [14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no [14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles [14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets [14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those [14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont [14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember [14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar [14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd [14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red [14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done [14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts [14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all [14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote [14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that [14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll [14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar [14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum [14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later [12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back [12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched [12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller [12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think [12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that [12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/ [12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread [12:12:23 AM] james: lol [12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread [12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked [12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man [12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller [12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad [12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll [12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia [12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still [12:14:14 AM] james: on incog [12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game [12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town [12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop [12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason [12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [12:15:09 AM] james: from me [12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else? [12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that [12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town [12:15:23 AM] james: nah [12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run [12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia [12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam [12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me [12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh [12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion [12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player [12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia [12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are [12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad" [12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in [12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat [12:16:14 AM] james: lol [12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure [12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can [12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off [12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral [12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way [12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not [12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair [12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment [12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be [12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play [12:17:38 AM] james: as red [12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories [12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx [12:18:22 AM] james: lol [12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong [12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth [12:18:52 AM] james: usually [12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players [12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah [12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play [12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up [12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't [12:19:15 AM] james: ace does [12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying [12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace [12:19:31 AM] james: lol [12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit [12:19:36 AM] james: in the open [12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia [12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him [12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there [12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience [12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him [12:20:13 AM] james: hard [12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean [12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right [12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ [12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too [12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed [12:20:28 AM] james: lol [12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot [12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot [12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep [12:22:16 AM] james: haha [12:22:17 AM] james: then crash [12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today [12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie [12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man [11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo [11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk? [11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day? [11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over. [11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks. [5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes Opz + Show Spoiler + Lmao @all the people who don't read your posts. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: Thoughts on the entire push by incog to a) silence the mason debate and b) pressure of me? I personally have a very negative read of him but that is off outside game reasons regarding the pm mechanic. Hide nested quote - Original Message From ~OpZ~: That's exactly what I was thinking. Not to mention that DT checks can't even clarify us. seriously if someone dt'd you and it came up mafia, someone would probably scream GF. Idk. Small thing I'm noticing is that Incog/Mystlord get a lot of support without having to post. lol. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: with the rampant amount of games where townies give out information to mafia via pms or mafia manipulating people hardcore via them it just seems easier to make the roll near useless. If we could mason someone then talk to them all game it would be far far far better. As it isn't its near useless to town, huge pro to mafia. Original Message From ~OpZ~: I don't care much about being known publically. Whoo hoo, I'm a one day mason!! -_- Best I can do is find a dt one day, have him lie and tell me he's townie, find a medic the next day, lie and tell me he's townie. Seriously I been thinking of how to make this role work my whole day at work and I came up blank, except just playing normal. maybe everyone SHOULD just ignore pms....I used to do that all pm games I joined. lol. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: I am generally respectful >.> generally. as for publically claiming, i don't think it means getting elected, I honestly was expecting not to once I claimed. Original Message From ~OpZ~: What are the benefits of claiming mason with you in the thread? I was considering it myself, but I personally have no reason or wish to be elected as you. It demands more activity then I'm capable of at the moment. | ||
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On January 22 2012 20:29 p4NDemik wrote: Jayjay you are writing off the fact that one of the people BC could have been faking it is already confirmed scum. It is far easier to fake a conversation when you are both scum and roleplaying that you are town than it is to manufacture both sides of a log out of thin air. If it was hypothetically this long of a log in a game where he has to make up comments of a confirmed town and present them under scrutiny then yes I'd say no way he manufactured it. I definitely think that they both could have manufactured it and roleplayed. if they are mafia and they are going this far to avoid a red name dying day 1 with everything relying on this interchange being genuine then yes they are going to roleplay and falsify logs. They are going to be pressed hard for them. No actually I don't. I know that they sandro is confirmed and I know that a faking possibility is at hand. A town - scum log to fake is not possible imo. The thing that convinces me is the sheer length. There's no need to put so much effort in it. If I would fake it, I definitly would fake like 4 pages and that's it. And that'll work. It is convincing enough. Look at the time stamps, look at how much time they spent! They were talking for like 5 hours straight. So the timestamps are real. Roleplaying for 5 hours? Just for the case sandro gets lynched? If sandro wasn't lynched that log is practically worthless. There is so little benefit and so much work? Sorry p4n, that is just not real. No one would do that. If they really spent 5 hours of their life "falsetalking" just in case one gets lynched, they need to chekc the life priorities | ||
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