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p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 12:07 GMT

#3550

His biggest defense has been Foolishness and BC going to a post that supersoft made on the 15th. Something that he didn't bring up himself. That has literally been the best they have been able to muster. The defense of supersoft thus far this game has been pitiful.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 15:36 GMT

#3569

Wtf do we have a german in here that has proven his townness in here that can give a reliable translation? How the fuck are we supposed to use that? I don't want to have to rely on google translate

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 15:37 GMT

#3570

How is talking in german in his logs pro town at all btw? Pending the translation of this post this makes sandroba look even more scum. Town would want to keep their logs in something town understands. Toad either you were stupid to go along with this or you are more suspicious than I thought you were.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 15:55 GMT

#3572

On January 22 2012 22:49 supersoft wrote:

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you realize that i dont spit out these names for fun.
Do you think one of them is town and why

Of course you don't spit them out for fun. You either spit them out like this because you are lazy ass town and you don't care much about winning (unlikely) or you are bad mafia you do care about winning (very likely). This is ridiculous you haven't posted any analysis but here goes I'll post some analysis and prove why I am still more town than you will ever be in a million years:

Conveniently all of your candidates are largely lurkers who don't have much to sink my teeth into but lets see here:

~OpZ~ is a claimed mason. You are attacking him after voting for him yesterday so at least this is a bit honorable.

He voted for L as mayor could be red play but definitely not damning.
He voted for Protactinium for a lynch day 2. I could see this as a town play. It wouldn't be a town play if it had been any later. Could be mafia play though. Null read here.
He voted for your death yesterday - doesn't help or hurt his case as you were never a candidate that had any chance of being lynch unfortunately.
He hasn't done a whole lot with that power from what I can see.
We don't have any logs or analysis from his exchanges.
He made a good defense post.
He questioned why WBG took him off his suspect list in this post. Pro-town move in my book. He welcomes critiques and had a good defense as I just linked.
He didn't support or squash hiro protagonist's tunneling of sandroba as seen in this post. This isn't a huge tell but this post feels town oriented my gut says.
He downplayed mason powers and was active in that discussion. He did claim mason so this could easily be why he blabbed so.
He said BM is "not a difficult read" - he did vote for him yesterday which suggests he has a read.
We have another in depth defense post from him. Seems geniuinely POed town. Good mafia acting if he's red.
Another post with value here. He isn't making hard stands but this is good analysis.
Went inactive for like 3 days the day after he tunneled Protact. Mafia points here.
He didn't want to waste a town lynch yesterday. Pro town points.
He pointed out that no other players had messaged Mattchew. An astute observation. Pro town points for actually seeming to have a brain when he wants to. Could still be mafia in this point but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because I didn't notice this.

All in all? He could possibly be mafia with good defense posts. But I think it is more likely he is town with good defense posts despite his recent inactivity. Gut read here but those posts are very important. He should be on our radar despite me thinking he is like 60-65% town. His inactivity makes him a perfect and easy target for your finger point. You get no points for picking him out and doing no analysis of your own.

I haven't slept yet so I am just going to give gut reads on the rest as I have again proved I am more pro-town than your sorry mafia ass is capable of.

bumatlarge - voted for Macpo's death Day 2. Not early enough to get him real town cred. off the top of my head I don't think he has been especially pro-town but I haven't looked through his entire filter. Maybe you should! Voted for Protact on day 1 - MAJOR town points here. If you read my analysis of the day 1 votes this should lead you to believe this as well but I don't think you did and you lazily picked him. Went for jackal day 2 before jackal's blueness was for sure, null read here. He wants you dead - could be scum vote hiding to gain my sympathies though. Null read.

glurio - replacement player for d3 iirc. super lurker. mason. masoned me. did nothing pro-town when he masoned me. i urged him to talk in thread to clear his name. he has not. very suspect possible mafia. easy pick again for you as he lurks.

jitsu and nisani - pretty low profile town i don't have a gut feeling on them and you don't feel strongly to put them in your top 3 so i'm not gonna give them any analysis. you show me you have something on these guys.

On January 22 2012 22:57 supersoft wrote:

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dude you're terribly overestimating yourself. I am town and you have no good case. Noone is listening to you - not because they're all scum - but rather because your case is bad. But I want to thank you at this point. Your effort is probably what keeps me alive in this game. Scum won't shoot me because then you actually might find one of them and tunnel him endlessly.

I am not overestimating myself. I did make a good call on you. I might have recalled my vote if you ever made a decent defense. You continue to fail at doing so and doing anything else that is town aligned. You continue to survive either A) because you are scum, or B) because you have friends in high places. You don't get any green points because town hasn't taken up my banner and stuck it up your ass. I have not tunneled you. I have gone after multiple people who I think are red including kingjames, bc, bm, sandroba, foolishness, etc. I have shown to be willing to go for one of them over you. You are mischaracterizing my persistence in your being red as tunneling when it is not.

You still need to die supersoft. You and your mafia buddy BC both need to die but he goes first.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 15:57 GMT

#3573

If you germans can, and are willing to put in the effort, I'd appreciate it if you all translate to cross check for any inconsistencies and help determine your alignment. If you want to be shown as town this is a great opportunity.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 16:07 GMT

#3576

BC either you or BM are likely to die today. I need not remind you you are pushing for the death of BM, the other elected official. Why don't you give us the name of at least one bodyguard if you think that cwave is lying? If you have a scumread on either of your bg's you should most definitely come forward now. Preserve your most town looking bodyguard to keep you safe and expose one if you think he is not one of the town.

I don't know how you could see that Cwave is lying from his post at all. Jackal suggests them being a dead as a possibility, but no players have flipped bg at all so this doesn't discount Cwave one bit. Bodyguards DO flip bodyguard in addition to their alignment and any other roles they may be.

Either you did point out a bg as possible scum as Cwave claims and you have no reason not to bring this name to light, or he is in fact lying. In which case you need to come up with some better logic to discredit him.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 16:12 GMT

#3577

Toadesstern I now know your email as well as everyone else in the game. Emails fucking translate regardless of language why is this a reason for you not wanting to translate it? Don't be lazy and don't be scummy. Translate it. Or at least summarize it. You are looking more and more red.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 16:34 GMT

#3581

Jitsu we are most likely going to kill one of our elected officials today anyways. Moreover Cwave claims BC declared one of his bg's as possible mafia and you confirm this fact. If he thinks this bodyguard is possible mafia he should want him dead and should give up is name. This is strong logic, this is not bluehunting. This is scumhunting. Don't be confused.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 16:52 GMT

#3585

Until supersoft posts real analysis or comments on BM/BC he should be on read but no response lists right now. He's not making any town sense or exhibiting pro-town behavior and his decision not to at this point cannot be ignored. He's looking more and more like a smokescreen for mafia.

BUT supersoft I'm all for people talking to you if you are talking about important town issues and not instead going after people pretty much irrelevant to current town agenda. We can give even more talk about your candidates if you talk about the major candidates.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 17:13 GMT

#3590

I appreciate the criticism hiro, it is noted and I hope I am less of this going forward. If my attitude is really clouding my analysis and scaring town at this point that is a major problem.

I would like to know more about our diverging reads though, please tell me more. You are DT, your word carries more weight than many of our unconfirmed roles out there, and certainly more than a lurker or otherwise suspicious player.

@Jitsu your post confuses me even more now. Hold on a sec we need to know why we are misreading Cwave's post:

On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?

I'm going to removed the acronyms and replace them with the names of the players and roles they are referring to. They are very similar and may cause confusion to show how we could have misinterpreted his post. I'll also correct a small typo just because I'm a little bit ocd like that

On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that (Bill Murray) at least provided the same two names as (bodyguard)s to us. With that, we also saw (BloodyC0bbler) list one of the bodyguards as scum that (Bill Murray) provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bodyguards as scum?

He is now saying BM did not give out fake names. You are now disagreeing with him but saying that your posts concur. This makes no sense.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 17:35 GMT

#3594

You are right the not giving out fake names thing is a good point. It is possible he doesn't trust you both and thus gave you both false names. I was correct on the second part of your statement (BC could be lying about having pinned a bg as scum) but I whiffed on the first part. There was no misunderstanding, I just failed to realize this possibility.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 17:46 GMT

#3596

Yes it is weird Toad and you provide good analysis. I'm looking forward to a response.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 02:04 GMT

#3694

supersoft more logs with toadesstern like you promised would be great. I see Nisani dismissing all of my claims and analysis with nothing but a "they are too crazy to be true." Please give analysis to disprove my theories. I'm all ears. For now you are dismissing stuff without discussion and making yourself look less town.

on the continued push for a BM lynch. You guys all know my statements but although Bill has acted like an idiot and needs to die as he is useless and a distraction if he is Mad Hatter somehow after all. If he is mafia we should kill him. If he is Mad Hatter we should still kill him because he is bad for town atmosphere, but we should wait one day, two at the most to kill him. He may be an idiot and bad for town atmosphere but he may still have good reads. Bills meta actually confirms his bad for town atmosphere meta. This is one of the only good revelations that came out of yesterday. He isn't a danger to us anyways. He has no sway with town and I don't see him ever getting any. The risk/reward scenario here I think is not as tasty looking as our other candidates that I have presented.

I'm pleased to see rgTheSchworz is following why supersoft is scummy and he joins a growing list of people who are suspicious of him. I have yet to see analysis past the occam's razor hypothesis that several have presented in bc's defense and I still want him to be the one you guys consider for death today.

I want to continue to point out the shady behavior of the people I have listed as likely scum that has continued throughout the day:

BC - has campaigned for BM's death. That is fine considering the circumstances. Does not build his own case, relies on the deceased Protactinium. Has never provided valid analysis of is cronies (ss and fool). He asserts that I am dumb but does not attack my logic. He has not posted any real analysis today.
supersoft - has continued to solidify his shady nature. has presented random lynch candidates. shows little direction and does not concern himself with major town issues for the most part.
Foolishness - has made a grand total of two posts today. He has made his short vote post and attacked my character. Nothing else pro town. This goes against an established meta of being a quality, hard-working town.

I have established clear links between these players and ALL of them are acting dodgy and not answering the reasonable doubts I present against all of them. Is it possible that one of them is lazy town and doesn't bother to see the merit some of my posts have raised? Yes. Is it possible anymore than one of them acts so glaringly un-town in regards to my accusations? No it is extremely unlikely all three are acting this dodge unless they are mafia.

Their inaction is speaking in regards to their brethren is speaking just as loud as many of their actual scummy actions have this game people. Please follow me on this. I love the way town is questioning themselves and making deductions right now. The analysis on hiro has been excellent and something we don't want to lose sight of either. But today we make our move. We go after the mafia kingpin BloodyC0bbler.

Please join me.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 02:06 GMT

#3695

need I also point out BC has not gone to his chat logs as a defense? that is one of the strongest bargaining chips he has but he has not emphasized them at all. He has let other people make those assertions for him. If you are using this as a reason to hold you back from voting for him please think: "Isn't it shady he isn't putting more focus on those logs? Shouldn't he be reinforcing and bolstering those assumptions that other town have made?"

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 02:10 GMT

#3696

Guys even if you want to kill BM we can still do that but we need to at least put pressure on BC with our votes. Bandwagoning a BM lynch right now is doing us NO GOOD AT ALL.

BM is winning the lynch vote in a runaway here for the second day in a row. He is at something like 11 or 12 votes to BC's 3 and a few other random votes.

I see a lot of pro-town attitudes in here and they are great, I'm glad to see it, it is helping my reads and others reads a ton. But think about how we are applying pressure here. We are grossly underutilizing this portion of the power we have as town. We have 25 hours left in day. Plenty of time to rectify this.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 02:36 GMT

#3702

Toadesttern I'm really worried about that but I'm fine with it provided you are going to post it and it is in English. I don't want to have you dead and have to rely on translations of supersoft's german bs. I would really appreciate a translation from anyone right now. I feel like I've put more than enough effort into the thread to warrant this reciprocation and gesture of trust. I'm putting all I can into this game and I'd really like to see more people going above and beyond instead of just skirting by. Not that I am accusing everyone of being complete slackers because I believe we have the best town atmosphere we have had in a while, I would just love to cross more people off my possible mafia list and put them on my 99% town list.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 02:40 GMT

#3704

And Toad you need to keep in mind what is optimal town play from our perspective. You aren't thinking like you are in my shoes.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 23 2012 03:43 GMT

#3707

this is not the first time I have been accused of tunneling why does this keep coming up

I have provided analysis on more players in this game than anyone. I've has more guts than anyone else in making logical arguments for the existence of multiple other mafia other than you. It should be obvious by now that I have been suspicious of you as mafia for some time now. Indeed if it was practical or I thought it was the right play yesterday I would have come at you. I was diametrically opposed to you all of the last day. Yet I did not tunnel you. I did not question you. I did not push for your lynch.

I set aside that suspicion and pushed for a handful of other lynches and was receptive to your ideas. But just because I am pushing you for a lynch now does not mean I am tunneling you. I have a bead and many other reads on a lot of other players and I have pointed out other potential mafia. I still advocate a lynch of BM, I just believe that we have a better play available today.

tunnel-vision is not considering anything or anyone outside of you. I am doing quite the opposite of that yet multiple people have made this fallback attack on me. i'd urge town that want productive conversation to consider the actual definition of the term and not throw this bs at me.