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Complicated rules, with lots of roles that change. Should be interesting.
/in
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On August 11 2011 11:11 Curu wrote: Ciryandor this looks a bit icky:
5. In the event of a TIE ALL candidates that are part of that tie are killed.
Can't Town manipulate this to double lynch every day? It´s not a bug, it´s a feature.
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If we wait much longer I suspect we´ll loose more players. I say we go now. The deadline to sign up has been moved several times allready.
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In that case I´ll most likely miss a few hours at the start of the game, but I´ll catch up quickly.
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Do we start now or do we just wait for those with Night-actions to finish up?
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On August 15 2011 00:16 Jackal58 wrote: Has this thing started? The night before the first turn has started, so anyone with night actions can do them. It should be about 23 hours left on this night, before we begin with the first day with a day post.
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On August 15 2011 03:54 DropBear wrote:- If there are any rivals in play, please delay your tunnelling until a bit later in the game. We don't want early lynches being concentrated on someone who only helps one person win the game, we need them to be Mafia. Worry about your evil twin later on. It´s very hard to win as a Rival, you need to make sure the other one dies AND you need to survive, so I doubt that any rivals will follow your advice. Waiting to kill the rival helps town more than the surviving rival. They might, just don´t count on it.
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Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
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EBWOP
In case it wasn´t clear, I´m against mass claiming.
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On August 15 2011 07:14 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:10 Forumite wrote: Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it. XYZ i dont have an opinion, people seem to agree with it though. What if scum scums out? Maybe its good though. Buy maybe it isnt. ##vote forumite What´s your reasoning?
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On August 15 2011 07:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 01:00 Ciryandor wrote:
I will not compensate for ignorance!
i kinda agree, you have to figure my incredibly subtle accusations out yourself. I´m not answering your riddles. When you have a real FoS, tell me.
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On August 15 2011 08:33 Sknowman wrote: Dude, I think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself. Sounds good, great idea Sknowman.
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On August 15 2011 09:22 Sknowman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote:On August 15 2011 08:33 Sknowman wrote: Dude, I think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself. Sounds good, great idea Sknowman. Tycker du att jag är smart? Och uppenbarligen begåvad, världsvan och atletisk.
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The Thief can try to use his ability twice, but the first time is just a 2/3 chance of success, the second time 1/3 chance, so it´s very risky to use it more than once, failure means that the thief dies.Thieves are not a problem yet, we will know when the thief kills someone, and have a general idea of his new role due to postchecking of the dead player. Of course we won´t know which player was the thief, but at least there are a few things to go on.
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It´s late, I´ll see you tomorrow. G'night!
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Slow thread.
See you all after the Day post. I´ll probably be online about 6 hours into the new day.
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Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
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On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
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On August 16 2011 08:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... But this game has a pardoner type role that could undo a last minute lynch if he's on top of things. That´s just one more thing that can ruin an attempt to get a multilynch, it´s not a good thing if you want to facilitate a multilynch. It´s a powerfull role, but he´s a player like everyone else, if he doesn´t want a multilynch, he can change it, and immediately become the next suspect.
On August 16 2011 08:32 Navillus wrote: Well forumite that seems like more of a problem with the scumhunting than the method of killing, so what do you think of the 3 people on jackels list? Our scumhunting was based on the assumption that the one who changed the lynch must be scum, it didn´t work in that game, even though it´s a common tactic.
As for the 3 candidates, I got a scumwibe from JeeJees low posting the first day, since then it´s picked up, at least with the accusing, nisani201 said a few things that might be a slip, or just a noob mistake, could warrant a check at least. I haven´t found what Jackal was accusing Greymist of, I would appreciate if someone could point it out.
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On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it.
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush.
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On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite awareAs for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
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On August 16 2011 10:33 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite awareAs for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting. My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum. hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you. and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree? The deadline isn´t in 5 minutes...
And you are wrong, discussing tactics is important, because things like massclaiming and multilynching needs a following to be of any use.
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On August 16 2011 10:34 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite awareAs for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting. The chatroom is being logged at http://nisani.x10.mx/loonybin.txt Thanks.
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JeeJee, for some one accusing me of useless posts and not saying anything, you really should pick up on your own posting. + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 00:37 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 23:12 Varpulis wrote:On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote:good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves! Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM. Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it. Scum hunting in PM land is OP See you in the morning! amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why? As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game. do you? On August 16 2011 02:33 JeeJee wrote:discussing claim strategies for roles that may not even be in the game is a waste of time, drop it. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
good morning to you too. enjoy the night? On August 16 2011 08:10 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 08:07 Jackal58 wrote:Dear JeeJee, This: + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 00:37 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 23:12 Varpulis wrote:On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote:good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves! Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM. Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it. Scum hunting in PM land is OP See you in the morning! amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why? As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game. do you? Followed by this: + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 02:33 JeeJee wrote:discussing claim strategies for roles that may not even be in the game is a waste of time, drop it. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
good morning to you too. enjoy the night? Just screams "I'm scum" to me. Sorry. Your Friend, Jackal58. Dear GreYMisT Your immediate soft defense of your scum buddy screams louder. get a hearing aid On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite awareAs for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. On August 16 2011 11:29 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 11:04 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 10:33 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote:On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARESDiscussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite awareAs for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting. My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum. hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you. and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree? The deadline isn´t in 5 minutes... And you are wrong, discussing tactics is important, because things like massclaiming and multilynching needs a following to be of any use. oh you're right, the deadline isn't in five minutes thanks so much for clearing that up. whew.
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Does Trotske talk any in PMs? There´s not much in the Irc from him, just "Watch Hiro" and "Let´s troll"
There were a few other very slow posters, and Kurumi of course. It´s easier to get away with lurking in a PM game, because everyone assume they talk to someone else, which is why we have to ask others if the slow players are lurking or not.
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I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee
As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201
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On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee.
##Vote: Forumite I did a FoS because it had to be done, but I´m not wasting my vote if I don´t think JeeJee is going to get lynched.
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About Nisanis201's rolecheck, I can confirm it, his check result is correct. It doesn´t make him a confirmed Blue, but it gives us enough reason to not lynch him right now.
We don´t want to lynch a possible Nisani201, the next candidates are Slam500 and Greymist. Between those, Greymist at least posts in the thread, from looking at the thread and cursory glance at the Irc-chat, Slam500 dropped out of the game a day ago. I´m not sure if I´m here for the deadline, so my vote goes out now.
##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote: Slam500
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Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus.
On August 18 2011 07:08 DroneAllDay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee.
##Vote: Forumite I almost forgot to mention this too, the late Navillus was also gunning for him some. It looks almost too perfect, doesn´t it? Of course I´m going to get into the spotlight if I got voted on the day before, then right after two who accused me of being scummy got killed. Anyway it doesn´t quite add up, if the daypost can be trusted, then JeeJee was hit by Scum, Navillus was hit by a Vigi.
I´ll think I´ll try a general postcount before we get to p51, there are several lurkers in the game, and I trust my numbers and analysis more than my scumsense.
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I´m calling out lurkers. If they are actually active and talking in PMs or Irc, say so, so I can take them off the list. Only checking posts in the thread and Irc. I might have missed someone. Ignored Chaos13/Curu and Kurumi purposefully, and didn´t include extremely short posts, like /in and /confirm.
Snotboogie 2 threadposts, no Irc. + Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 13:07 snotboogie wrote: I also am against claiming, especially this early in the game. Just doesn't make sense, it gives Mafia too much info. On August 17 2011 14:46 snotboogie wrote: #vote slam500 as I believe his is the worst scum tell so far. Forumite looks dodgy too but I'm fine with letting him live today. DroneAllDay 4 threadposts, no Irc. (OMGUS) + Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 07:24 DroneAllDay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other. This very much makes and overall rivals shouldn't be important for all of the non-rivals (keep an eye out for any claims that seem like it just comes from another rival) but other than that we should really ignore the matter. As for role-claiming I'm against it for now as all it does at this point is help the mafia pick targets. If anyone disagrees I'd be glad to hear why. On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok so from what I've seen I'm going to vote for Nisani off of what is a pretty bug scumslip. Which means that if Nisani is scum Greymist is definitely scum too. But first we need to lynch Nisani. On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ack I meant scum not bug sorry iPods are really bad with auto correct. On August 18 2011 04:48 DroneAllDay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote? I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia. Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from. Da-Muffinman 3 threadposts, no Irc. + Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 06:28 Da-Muffinman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:15 Jackal58 wrote:On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits? Sure. Go ahead. If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again? Errrr, ok?! Also Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)? On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
On August 17 2011 19:01 Da-Muffinman wrote: Sorry Guys that I was absent the last ~ 30 Hours, written an Exam, getting drunk after it, dealing with the hangover, that kinda stuff.
I'm trying to catch up as fast as I can Sinani206 1 postthread, although a lot of early Irc-posting + Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 13:17 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 08:30 Nisani201 wrote:On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself? Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim. Is it just me or does the grammar in this post not make any sense? Anyway, I do think it is a little early for an FoS, especially on a new player like Slam, but it is a good way for him to learn. We should treat everyone the same (except Kenpachi, but I don't think he's in this game) so we shouldn't baby Slam. Discussion of the FoS should continue as usual just like any other.
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Okay, with Muffin and Sinani not having the time and about to be replaced, Snotboogie and DroneAllDay are the hardest lurkers in the game.
Just pointing out, these are not the only ones, just the ones with very few relevant posts, there are several at around 10 posts, and some with few threadposts but much more in the irc.
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On August 18 2011 09:23 Curu wrote: So which one do you think is more scummy Forumite? Of Snotboogie and DroneAllDay? I don´t think either is scum, not that I have any posts to base that one, but if they are not picking up the posting, then it doesn´t matter what they are, because not posting hurts Town just as much.
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Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure.
##Vote: Trotske
Quoted posts: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also. On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
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On August 19 2011 07:18 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying. Are you a rival? This is a golden post.
Trotske, check your role PM, does it say Hiro is your Rival?
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On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
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On August 19 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:48 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote:On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz! What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is. This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods. Rivals are not necessarily reciprocal, for example, Qatol could be my rival, but I might not be Qatol's rival
Also, about 14 hours left in the day. That clears it up. Trotske wants to kill Hiro, and none of them are lying.
##Unvote
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On August 19 2011 10:12 DroneAllDay wrote: with that said, I'm more confidant that Forumite is mafia so i'm voting for him due to the fact that the others i belive to be scum voted for greymist, that those who voted for him are dead (even if 1 of those was done by a vigilante hit, the other is still a scum hit) and his hight post count but a fair amount of them are just hello, good night, and other such no-content posts that feigns lurking.
##vote: Forumite I do my "hello" posts in here instead of in the Irc. As for other accusations, calling out a the Rivals isn´t a info post, it looked like a clear case where one was lying, until it was revealed that the OP was incorrect. There is one I can fully agree with, that I look confused, it´s because I am.
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On August 19 2011 12:47 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: ##vote Nisani201
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig. Complete bullshit, for two reasons. 1) Journalists can find scum. And if you're going with the fact that I am a Journalist/Banling, why are you voting for me? I'm still a resource. 2) Where did you get that 80% statistic from? The role distribution is not public knowledge. The role distribution is probabaly just a guestimate, what I think he´s getting at is that your role is a convenient role to pretend to be as scum, you look blue, but you only find millers, other blues and apprentices. All interesting information, but not amazing. So far you´ve checked Dropbear, after he died, and checked me, but even with your result, while correct, it doesn´t confirm me as a Townie, and people are still going after me. So far you haven´t been much help, to me or Town.
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Deadline in about 5 hours, and I´m going to miss it, again, so I'm voting now.
Trotske is acting scummy, and is out to kill Hiro, but that´s him being a Rival. Nisani will either give good information, die to Scum or we´ll lynch him in a few days. Forumite is an upstanding poster who doesn´t deserve to get voted out. That only leaves Jackal, whose scumhunting is a tad too scummy for me. I suspect he knew about different scumteams early on from his post about wondering which team he was in. It was a trick, but mentioning "team" could have been an unintentional scumslip.
##Vote: Jackal58
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Does this mean the day is extended, or that the voting is finished but the daypost is delayed?
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On August 20 2011 05:05 Nisani201 wrote: I don't know if Mafia can change who they kill, so I'm not going to tell anyone until day. Noone can change anything, votes and actions are set, it´s just the results that are a bit late.
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I´m beginning to understand why Nisani201 is still alive, his ability is absolutely useless.
If anyone got any PMs from the killed players that might give us some clues, please post them.
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Okay, caught up with the thread.
Nisani201 has been up for lynching since Day 1, and looking at who´s been pushing for him each day will give a lot of information, depending on the way he flips. Unlike the lurkers, lynching Nisani201 will give us a lot of information about other players.
##Vote: Nisani201
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This is like AvP, two scumteams fighting, whoever wins, Town is sure to loose.
This causes a big problem with scumhunting, two players can both be scum but still push to lynch eachother.
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On August 22 2011 16:52 Kurumi wrote: Why we went dead silent today? The game isn't over, we have at least two scum left. I am voting slam500, so we get a lurker lynch, he looks like he forgot about the thread since he was a lynch candidate. I´m not sure about this strategy, it´s basically giving up our vote doing what the rules are meant to do for us. I´d rather see modkills actually happen. As they don´t, killing off Slam500 could work if we can´t think of a better target. Might shake the other lurkers out of inactivity.
On that note, still waiting for Curu to explain why I´m scum.
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Really Curu? Tell us to expect something good, then wait 23 hours during which we are waiting for the bomb and don´t discuss anyone else? At least it´s an effective technique to get someone lynched, and enough are buying it.
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Okay, first, I disagree that not using IRC is scummy. In my opinion, using IRC kills this game, the posts are short and without depth, there is no real analysis. Ironically, the post Curu did on me is one of the few serious analysis posts so far, and it took until Day 3 to see it. You all go to Irc, post 80% irrelevant information, sometimes under false names (I think JeeJee did this), and feel like you are contributing, while the place where discussion and analysis can take place with everyone, this thread, is left empty.
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I said I was not going to use Irc because I knew people would use it as a reason to lynch me. When I said it, it had allready come up.
As for making a Fos on JeeJee after saying I dislike accusing players, I don´t consider it to have any significance, I don´t know why Curu brought it up.
As for not voting Greymist, if I was scum like Curu thinks, wouldn´t I have jumped on that bandwagon eventually, for the towncred? Of course, I could have been in the other team, except TAA did a quick FoS on me, which started the early suspicion. Either way, it doesn´t add up.
---- There are two scumteams, and scum need to take an active part in scumhunting, or risk getting killed off, because the scumteam that control the lynches, get more killpower. Scum must be active and try to lead Town, not blend in. Who do scum kill? Anyone of their own team, it doesn´t matter, they just need to get someone killed, Town or enemy Scum. At least two players look like they are good at pushing for and securing a lynch, from the first two days, and the bandwagon on me.
GreYMisT - Jackal58, Nisani201, hiro protagonist, OriginalName, DroneAllDay, Varpulis, Sevryn, Curu Jackal58 - nisani201, snotboogie, Forumite, TheAwesomeAll, Curu, Da-Muffinman, Sevryn, hiro protagonist Forumite - Curu, hiro protagonist, Sevryn, DroneAllDay, Varpulis
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Missed it earlier, Sevryn has been very successfull with bandwagoning winning lynches too.
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On August 23 2011 06:28 Curu wrote: hiro protagonist is scum, you're right. So you're on the black scum team and hiro is one the red one, right?
Hey do us a favour and use your night kill on hiro for me. I'm betting hiro was the one who killed DropBear. On August 23 2011 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote: ahahahaha... this game... The silent treatment? Not even calling it out as an OMGUS? There is such a thing as taking an accusation too cool.
##Vote: Curu
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On August 23 2011 13:50 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy? Curu is most likely, because he got the bandwagon going, the others are secondary, they tagged along. I added Sevryn to the list for consistency.
As for why scumhunting is scummy, I assume you didn´t read that post, so I´ll explain again. Scum has to find the enemy scumteam, so even scum like Curu will go around and try to find out who is looking scummy. The usual scumtells, like knowing in advance who is scum, and not hunting for other scum, don´t apply here. Being a successfull scumhunter doesn´t make you Town. Being aggressive with lynching doesn´t make you Town.
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I say Curu should get lynched, and that´s relevant no matter what any of you think I am, and with only 48 hours per day, you should start thinking about this right now. Seriously, Curu´s way of dealing with this lynch and the counter-FoS screams scum to me. Waiting 23 hours before actually posting his analysis of me? He cost Town half the day there, a day that would have been better used to discuss this lynch, instead of rushing into it. And afterwards, I did an obvious OMGUS, and he just waved it away, hoping it wouldn´t catch on. That´s what´s scummy, not just the scumhunting, but the way he scumhunts.
One of either Curu, Hiro or possibly Sevryn is scum. Looking at nightkills, there should be only 2 scumteams. As both scumteams have lost a member each allready, killing whoever is scum between Curu, Hiro and Sevryn will destroy one of the teams. I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow, though.
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Something we agree of. If Curu survives the night, lynch him.
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You make a compelling argument...
Come on Curu, you know this isn´t about me, it´s about you, and how you are scum. It doesn´t matter what I am, if I´m Town or Scum, because either way, I hunt scum like you.
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On August 23 2011 22:23 Curu wrote: I've been at the head of all three (now four) lynches, don't even try to project your scummy crap on me. So, I assume you think that makes you Town?
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The silent treatment, seriously?
I think I´ve made my point, or rather, Curu has made it for me.
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On August 23 2011 22:43 Curu wrote: Double posting cause there's nothing between this post and my previous post. And cause I'm allowed to double post here. Yeah, about that...
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Lead Town to victory? While Curu is quick to vote on whoever is going to get lynched, so far two of those are Blues, and only the first one, Greymist, was scum. With 1/3 accuracy, it sounds more like Curu will lead Town to an early doom.
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True, scumhunting isn´t scummy in itself, but the way you scumhunt can be scummy. Curu is scummy for the way he scumhunts, and for the occasional scumtell (around 15) he´s made the last few pages.
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RIP, Badmannered Bastards!
I and Greymist were not the most lucky scum...
Good Luck finding the other team, Town!
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On August 28 2011 06:05 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok that was way too much scum, period. Town has no chance against that much. Well, Scum kill Scum, so Town doesn´t have to kill them all. There was a lot of killpower spread around though, personally I think it would have been okay if Scum didn´t also get vigilante powers, but I guess it´s there for the final battle of scum-vs-scum.
It´s a very interesting set-up, even if the GM was trolling us all
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First win as scum, even if it was a weird game, and it was mostly due to Muffins masterfull lurking. The last night was a slaughter, and keeping his head down was probably what kept him from getting targeted that night.
I don´t think the balance was that far off, perhaps some more killpower among Town, and perhaps only one extra nightkill ability per scumteam, and Veterans among Town. It´s not 8 scum vs 13 Town, it felt more like 4 vs 17, and a few guys you can shift blame to later to, a lot of the game was spent hunting other scum, once the other Team revealed, it was clear that killing enemy scum is superior to killing Town.
I wonder if apprentices could have gotten a bigger role. Like the leader, their teacher could be determined beforehand.
We never used the Leader role, right?
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It makes sense to lynch Jackal if you are Scum =)
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