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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 17 2011 18:20 GMT
#1046
On August 18 2011 02:56 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes is not scum goddamnit.


Why not?

On August 18 2011 03:13 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


We're not nolynching. I know you have a post restriction, but maybe you could communicate to someone via PMs and have them post your suspicions or whatever.


Actually, that goes for everyone with posting restrictions. PM your shit to sandroba and let him post it if you have something important to town but can't post due to role.


Since nobody has responded to my question, I'm gonna just #vote pandain


I thought sandroba was RBed so can't PM.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1121
On August 18 2011 11:51 kitaman27 wrote:
Oh right, I should probably vote shouldn't I. Going with LSB because he is a jerk.

Also, anyone notice Opz randomly has a vote?


NO! Secure the lynch on Bum first.

And palmar, why isn't VE scum? I'd like to hear.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 18 2011 03:01 GMT
#1123
Oh Curu, that makes me remember, tnkted said our town atmosphere was lively too. :D What scum.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#1138
RoL and LSB would both make great vig shots.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2011 00:15 GMT
#1213
On August 19 2011 09:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 08:14 youngminii wrote:
Also, I might have just missed this information (probably) but I can't seem to find it:

Why does RedFF have 2 votes?
Why was RedFF constantly campaigning for mayor but not anymore? Was Foolishness his only opposition regarding being the mayor?
What does the mayor get to do?

hey dont respond but if you are kenpachi, why the hell are you asking so many questions!? out of character imo imo


Are you trying to quell discussion?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2011 00:39 GMT
#1222
On August 19 2011 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On August 19 2011 09:30 youngminii wrote:
You know what's funny about your list is that if you look on page 6 (before the game even started) you'd have known who I was.

Anyway, I was just wondering if the mayor stuff had anything to do with him getting an extra vote, but I guess not.



........it does completely -_-


So BC, who do you believe is scum?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2011 01:17 GMT
#1243
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2011 02:32 GMT
#1250
On August 19 2011 10:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 10:17 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.


lawl, shame your horribly wrong. Also, stop asking me questions, you will never get answers that way.


Also known as, "I keep all information about my scumbuddies to myself."
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2011 21:02 GMT
#1419
Tnkted, what changed your view from me being "just a stupid townie" to being "scum" considering I basically proved my vigi claim with a night 1 hit?

BC, state your cases on your scum reads, please.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 20 2011 20:26 GMT
#1468
+ Show Spoiler [tnkted's analysis of me[/spoiler] +
On August 20 2011 23:54 tnkted wrote:
Ok I usually start these posts by assuming that my target is mafia; then I go through their posts and read them all for content related to that. This isn't a very good approach for everyone because it means that a analyst who isn't being very careful can find things that aren't scummy and call them scummy (leading to a bad analysis) but I've been doing it long enough that I think I can do it without prejudice.

Ghrur Analysis

Fact 1: Ghrur has been buddying WHILE he accuses me of buddying. Nobody has bothered accusing him of buddying.

Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 12:01 ghrur wrote:
Oh Curu, that makes me remember, tnkted said our town atmosphere was lively too. :D What scum.



Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 10:17 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.


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On August 18 2011 02:45 ghrur wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:26 Curu wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


So you somehow know the results of every lynch (today and yesterday), while contributing nothing to suggest a better target or anything?

Can we lynch RoL instead?


Yeah RoL, where did you're

On August 16 2011 13:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On August 16 2011 13:09 ghrur wrote:
My statement wasn't "guilt." It was a "whatever."
Btw, I vigied Kurumi so we wouldn't have a spamfest anymore.

I fucking love you. I can now start actually contributing. I am heading to sleep, but I will catch up tomorrow and apply rape where necessary.


"actually contributing" go?



Fact 2: D1, Rather than shoot somebody he thought was mafia (me) he decided to shoot a nearly confirmed townie. Then he claimed that he did it because Kurumi was spamming.



And thats......... basically all I could find that was scummy in his behavior. Conclusion: Ghrur is town. Sorry for doubting you, buddy.

Overall Ghrur's play seems to be extremely aggressive; he's an analytic redFF1. However, much of his reasoning is faulty; he's spending time thinking about his lynches but doesn't ever find conclusive evidence. Instead, he's applying pressure and hoping his target slips up during his defence. It's an interesting strategy, one that I've seen DrH pull off a few times. DrH tends to get lynched though, so we should probably avoid lynching ghrur even if his behavior feels scummy.

Some advice: Your style of posting is very obnoxious to be accused with, which is good because it encourages people to post and respond, but it also builds up a bad atmosphere for town. What happens when you accuse somebody who is town, tunnel them for days, and then get them lynched? You've wasted days of tunnelling that could have been spent on scum if you'd only mentally put that person back into the 'ok, that was a legit defense'. That's a tough mental maneuver to do; part of being good at it is understanding when somebody has a legit defence. Generally you're looking for defensiveness, topic changing, buddying, and sometimes, bandwagoning. Also look for wishy washy defenses that rely on you giving them benefit of the doubt.

Now I have a big ol- pounding headache (anyone else from the st. paul area? you know the wild onion? Yeah) and I'm going to go shower and play some mindless video game for a few hours (cortex command anyone? :D). I don't want to think right now. Later, when I'm feeling less hungover, I want to post an analysis of youngmini and one of curu (who, btw i think is town, but it's good to check these things).


That was a REALLY poor post. Why do you post generalities this late into the game? It does nothing. The time to give advice is long gone. Really, it seems like you're just trying to seem active and "helpful" now while posting fluffy "analysis" filled with... nothing. That said, I don't think you're really scum anymore.

Btw, note, while we got lucky with Curu's night action, we shouldn't rely on his role at all. In fact, for all we know, Curu could still be mafia busing a teammate. While unlikely, it could be possible. Instead, we should rely on analysis. We lynched Bum day 2 not because of lucky night actions, but because of good scum hunting. Let's keep it up.

Now, here's my next target as scum. Node. Here's why.

+ Show Spoiler +

First off, Node has been lurking like a bitch. If you read Palmar's first analysis where he suspects Aidnai, Kurumi, and Scamp, you notice 2 things. One, he calls Aidnai out on active lurking. Two, he has a list of lurkers
Youngminii, OpZ, Flamewheel, DoctorHelvetica, Kenpachi, Misder, Chezinu, Fishball, BloodyC0bbler.
Notice how Node is missing despite him being a huge lurker! This seems to be intentional dodging by mafia so that they don't bring suspicion onto their teammates.

To further this idea, notice how Palmar quotes Jackal talking about Node, among others, yet never even comments/mentions him. Bum, the other scum, never even MENTIONED Node whatsoever.

Now, onto Node himself. Notice how wishy-washy he is:
On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm not sure about aidnai being scum.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes.

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


Also note how he has yet to actually vote for a single scum. Day 2, he didn't vote Bum, he voted VisceraEyes and then Pandain, both of which can be seen as trying to redirect onto someone else or just trying to get a no-lynch. This is markedly different from his day one attitude when he said

So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today.
What would make him change his philosophy so quickly? Simple, his scum buddy is on the line. Day 1, a lynch either way is good for him because he'd be lynching town. Day 2, a no lynch is better for him because, well, mafia gets a freaking no lynch!

On August 16 2011 05:15 Node wrote:
Ghrur, I was actually coming to similar conclusions on tnkted. I'm liking the way you think.

Show nested quote +
Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread.


/facepalm

This is also during day 2, and it seems to me that he's trying to get ANOTHER different bandwagon going off my analysis with little contribution of his own. This would make sense for scum to do, that is, try and get 3 bandwagons going so that they can have a no lynch. Here, Node is suggesting VE, Pandain, and tnkted. But guess what, he never even votes for tnkted because it's just a soft push. Because he doesn't to actually commit that early in the day.


On August 17 2011 05:11 Node wrote:
I can confirm that VisceraEyes is Coagulation, and I also feel he's suspicious as hell. That's where I'll put my vote for now. Plus, if Curu's role / restriction is what I think it is... lol.

Also, just for the record (but mostly for LSB), I am not scum.

Now this is the most suspicious part. How does he confirm that VE is Coag? Why, because Palmar's been PMing VE, and Node has been in contact with Palmar of course! And guess what? When VE called him out on it, Node tried to deny all connections by saying

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
I like how VE is trying to spin me knowing the name of his character into me being scum. How'd you come up with that one? No, my knowledge is independent. (no, that doesn't mean third party)


Well, of course scum would say that because should he get lynched, he wouldn't be implicating his scum friends. He would force VE to choose between the three. He knows, though, he got caught so he quickly posts this

On August 17 2011 12:28 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 17 2011 11:46 ghrur wrote:
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?


Role.


Bullshit.


To try and bring suspicion onto VE. Then he leaves and doesn't talk for about three days so the pressure from VE will be gone. His first post is only AFTER Curu came out and called Palmar scum. This way he can sneak in some posts while town is supposedly complacent and the suspicion is off of himself.

Oh, and one more thing, Node hasn't done anything this game. No analysis behind his "suspects." No pressure at all. Look how quickly he backs off.
On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
Still, after some thought I'm willing to let VE slide for the chance to lynch Pandain. He's nullified the (quite powerful) abilities of two players he thought were town with flimsy reasoning. His power in and of itself is actually pretty scummy (roleblocking is a town role since when?), and as much as I dislike the thought of Qatol being mafia, I have to accept that if BM of all people was town Qatol could be mafia. I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


No, all Node's been doing is lurking and avoiding.


Node is scum. Vigi him or lynch him tomorrow. Do it.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#1484
Someone Vigi Node please. <3
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 21 2011 04:17 GMT
#1492
On August 21 2011 13:05 redFF wrote:
Palmar wanted pandain vigged but then he wasnt and palmar never mentioned it again. Palmar was also tunneling scamp.

pandain=mafia
scamp=town

vote me for mayor for this remarkable scumhunting amazingness


Oooo, I agree with you.
Pandain even defended Bum, and Palmar voted Pandain, but quickly switched off him and then defended Pandain.

##Vote redFF for mayor
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 21 2011 23:27 GMT
#1512
Why would you think that ending the day early would be beneficial to town? Day is the time of greatest discussion. It's always better to discuss a lynch to death than not discuss it enough. Your plan just gives mafia a faster night.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#1526
On August 22 2011 10:53 Curu wrote:
I strongly feel tnkted scum. There is no reason for a Townie to have that power, there is no reason for a Townie to think about using that power. He has been utterly useless while trying to appear to be useful. He has had no opinion on Scamp or Node, and yet wants to use his power to get one of them lynched.

Mafia must have had a mechanic to locate the Traitor. The two people with known PM mechanics are VE and sandroba. Of the two, I would much rather kill VE.


But then again, it wouldn't make sense for Mafia to NOT use it and just confuse the crap out of town. It doesn't make sense for tnkted to come out and say he has it.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 02:14 GMT
#1527
And nobody has yet answered how Node could CONFIRM VE's claims. Doesn't that strike anybody as suspicious?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#1532
On August 22 2011 11:24 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 11:12 ghrur wrote:
On August 22 2011 10:53 Curu wrote:
I strongly feel tnkted scum. There is no reason for a Townie to have that power, there is no reason for a Townie to think about using that power. He has been utterly useless while trying to appear to be useful. He has had no opinion on Scamp or Node, and yet wants to use his power to get one of them lynched.

Mafia must have had a mechanic to locate the Traitor. The two people with known PM mechanics are VE and sandroba. Of the two, I would much rather kill VE.


But then again, it wouldn't make sense for Mafia to NOT use it and just confuse the crap out of town. It doesn't make sense for tnkted to come out and say he has it.


It isn't as much on that as his whole post history is useless junk in trying to appear active and contributing.

He has TWO walls of text where he "analyzes" you and says you're Town..then he wants to go post another wall of text on youngminii (...) and me (.........................), two people who are not even close to being lynch candidates.


Yeah, but past Day 1, I can't see what he's pushing to try and manipulate the town.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 03:28 GMT
#1552
Okay, so can we assume Jackal is Hatter and bombed Syllo and VE? And red, why are you convinced sandroba is scum?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 03:30 GMT
#1556
Oh, well, great.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 03:31 GMT
#1557
red... do you have tnkted's power?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 22 2011 03:33 GMT
#1560
On August 22 2011 12:33 Curu wrote:
This game is ridiculous. We've had 1 Townie mislynch and Town's still going to lose.

I was probably blocked, got no results.


Well, this is our second mislynch... T___T
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