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On August 15 2011 06:09 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 15 2011 06:02 Jackal58 wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 deconduo wrote:On August 15 2011 05:27 Kavdragon wrote:On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious. I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure? You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed. Deconduo: + Show Spoiler +We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack. To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.) That sounds pretty damning to me. My two top scum suspects at the moment are Aidnai and LSB. I would prefer to get LSB lynched but that isn't going to happen with 6 hours left. I'm somewhat aprehensive about trusting you, but you're not dumb enough to offer a 1 for 1 trade if you aren't certain. Don't expect to wiggle out of it if aidnai flips town though. Vote Aidnai Decon- When and where did you post the spoiler in Kavs post???? He didn't, that was Kav addressing him in a spoiler. -_- Aidnai, do you anything else to say about the game, besides just tunneling Kav? Visceraeyes is scum too.
Because of the flip-flop between voting for Kav, then you, or something else as well?
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On August 15 2011 06:30 aidnai wrote:No, it's that all of his posts are like this Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also don't like Kurumi's spastic posting, but from what I understand that's just Kurumi. Do you think if we just ignore him he'll go away?
Looks like we're in for a pretty uneventful d1. Until more people post, there isn't much to say. Read his posts and tell me what you think. He's just putting totally surface level thoughts out there with zero follow through. I'm 100% convinced kav has a wincon or a secondary objective that he is pursuing.
I can agree with that, but also, this succession of three posts looks really weird to me as well:
On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon
So, VE thinks that Kav is an "obviously anti-town" player, and "certainly not town", enough that he wants to lynch him dead.
On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious.
He still thinks he's scum, and he's chastising Node for not thinking the same. Note how strong his conviction seems to be about how Kav is anti-town.
Then, a few people (including Kav himself) make a couple of posts defending Kav by attacking you. They all say the same thing basically, that you reacted strongly and quickly to Kav's trap. And then:
On August 15 2011 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, fair points guys...I hadn't really thought of it that way. The spammy feeling of his posts had me prejudging him. Aidnai looked more like a distraction than an actual suspect, and his behavior HAS been suspicious, I'll freely admit.
I'm convinced. I'll also vote aidnai.
So, he goes from thinking Kav is complete anti-town, enough that he wants him lynched, to voting for you. He goes from believing a player is scummy from an entire day's worth of information and behaviour, to voting for you because of a couple posts, within the span of 40 minutes. This kind of flip flopping seems really weird to me, and pretty scummy. It just looks like he wants to hop onto the bandwagon that will make him look more like town at the time. =/
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On August 15 2011 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This game makes me angry. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=117978Voting VE for terrible post history, plus I read the last couple of pages and I still don't understand why aidnai is scum. LSB BloodyC0bbler Youngminii Barundar Misder Visceraeyes Chezinu Bumatlarge ~opz~ Node Fishball DrH RoL Most if not all of the scum team is in this bunch of players. They're either there because I have active red reads on them or because they're so inactive I have no read on them. VE today then bum, YM, or LSB tomorrow. Could Pandain, Flamewheel, Mr. Wiggles, Kitaman, syllogism, and scamp please post opinions on the recent goings on? I'm still trying to make up my mind on you guys and some more content would be helpful. If there are scum outside of the earlier list they're in this one. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g9xl5.jpg) Just roll with me town, I kill scum.
Well, I just posted a thing about VE, and actually
##Vote: VisceraEyes
I personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason.
At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who:
-Made constant, shallow observations about the game
-Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until
-The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav
This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time.
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I think VE is a good target if we could get the votes to lynch him.
I'm pretty sure Kav is town. I'm not sure that aidnai is scum. Between aidnai and VE, I'd rather lynch VE, because he seems much scummier out of the two.
Also, I see that subliminal message, it's not so hidden.
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On August 15 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum.
What are the details of your sanity/insanity? (So long as it isn't important to keep concealed)
Did you know aidnai was you evil twin and that's why you wanted to lynch him?
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On August 15 2011 12:55 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now that the lynch as flipped as it has, can people stop being retards now? Because of the lynch, Yes. Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 12:29 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum. tell me exactly why you thought aidnai was scum. Also you understand my apprehention in believing you considering you could be lying about all of this. I've talked to Ver and the most that I can say is "My role PM lead me to believe that Aidnai was my Evil twin, and was Mafia." I wish I could be more specific. I will reiterate that i did NOT do this just to get rid of my evil twin. I did this because I thought it was a sure lynch for town on day one, and that is exactly what the town needed at that point. I'll have to check with mods before I comment on my sanity (Or previous lack there of), but I think it's safe to say that you will see a difference in my posting.
Ok, so did you actually think that what aidnai was posting was scummy, or did you just get blinded by what you thought was confirmed scum and you tunneled the crap out of him? I'm wondering if you actually thought his posts were scummy, or if the primary motivator for his lynch was just your role PM.
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On August 15 2011 12:21 Incognito wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.teslasystems.com/images/gallery/tesla-coil-suit-1.jpg) Night 1 The rowdy townspeople dragged aidnai to a dark room underneath the city hall, hoping to test their new execution device before using it to execute the 3 inactives. The room filled with chanting and jeering, followed by a sudden silence. Aidnai winced as he saw the executioner motion toward the switch. A moment later, blue sparks flew everywhere, and the town began to cheer. But their cheers turned into confusion, as a still alive aidnai began to walk straight toward the executioners chamber. Before too much chaos could ensue, an arrow zoomed past the crowd and shot straight through aidnai's chest, killing him instantly. Disappointed at the failure of the device, the town pardoned the three inactives...for now. aidnai, Chezinu's evil twin has been lynched! Chezinu has regained his sanity! Nobody is modkilled today. We are looking for 4 replacements, however.
Night ends tomorrow at 03:00 GMT (+00:00). Please send me your night actions before then.
Chezinu's Evil twin has been lynched.
Chezinu has regained his sanity.
Mod-confirmed there's a Chezinu.
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On August 16 2011 07:27 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 07:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 15 2011 12:21 Incognito wrote:Night 1 The rowdy townspeople dragged aidnai to a dark room underneath the city hall, hoping to test their new execution device before using it to execute the 3 inactives. The room filled with chanting and jeering, followed by a sudden silence. Aidnai winced as he saw the executioner motion toward the switch. A moment later, blue sparks flew everywhere, and the town began to cheer. But their cheers turned into confusion, as a still alive aidnai began to walk straight toward the executioners chamber. Before too much chaos could ensue, an arrow zoomed past the crowd and shot straight through aidnai's chest, killing him instantly. Disappointed at the failure of the device, the town pardoned the three inactives...for now. aidnai, Chezinu's evil twin has been lynched! Chezinu has regained his sanity! Nobody is modkilled today. We are looking for 4 replacements, however.
Night ends tomorrow at 03:00 GMT (+00:00). Please send me your night actions before then. Chezinu's Evil twin has been lynched. Chezinu has regained his sanity. Mod-confirmed there's a Chezinu. hey there! Care to give any reads or anything? or are you just gonna lurk and make pointless, easy, looking like your contributing posts like this? Dis guy mafia.
What the hell are you talking about? I have given reads, if you've read. Kav is prob town (But I need to re-evaluate after the weird twin business), VE is scum, and I didn't feel good about an Aidnai lynch.
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On August 16 2011 13:12 Mig wrote:
So what about pandain? I thought he banned kurumi from being able to invent, yet there was still an invention?
Well, Pandain could have been trolling, or maybe Kurumi wasn't actually the inventor.
I'm also happy there wasn't a blood bath last night :p
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On August 16 2011 13:15 Mig wrote:
Ok so foolish was most suspicious of FW/bum/tnkted/syllo?
Looks like he had syllo/bum near 100%.
On August 16 2011 13:12 sandroba wrote:
I've been roleblocked. No pms for me today unfortunatelly (can't send or recieve). I can tell you that I was working closely with foolishness and he was suspicious of all these people he put high % in except for me and mig. He was unconvinced on ghur but I on the other hand am more than convinced.
Did Foolishness leave any of his actual thoughts/analysis with you? It would be nice to be able to see some of his reasoning for his scum suspects.
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Hey san, you didn't answer me.  Did Foolishness actually leave behind any written reasons for his suspicions? I'd like to see what he had to say.
Also, if you were in contact with MZ or Chez and have relevant information to share, that would be cool too. <3
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On August 17 2011 01:39 Incognito wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Breaking News! ![[image loading]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/05/article-1300493-0AAEA6B9000005DC-945_634x439.jpg) Speaking with great fervor, Kavdragon's speech to the masses (read: soliloquy), was stopped short when he exploded, scattering him, well, everywhere. Kavdragon the Chezinu has been blown up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgRoqPd7h8o&feature=related
What the Hell, Bum? Can you explain yourself, please? Why'd you nuke with no analysis, why'd you nuke without discussing it first, and why'd you nuke when Kav looked town from his actions on Day 1, and the only trip-up was the Evil twin thing?
##Vote: Bumatlarge
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If he had to role claim, shouldn't you know his name?
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On August 17 2011 09:10 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:40 Jackal58 wrote:
If Aidnai had flipped scum I could have confirmed 2 personalities as town. Was not to be.
Curu - How do you pick the players you are defending? Mig has a short name I like him. I don't think I need to explain why scumatlarge is scum. It should be hit-you-in-the-face obvious. Go read VE's posts and notice how he doesn't comment on a single relevant thing this game. Made a few posts like he was convinced Kavdragon was Mafia, then switched to Aidnai instantly rather than argue at all. Doubt he cared which one was lynched, as they were both townies. Now two nonsensical wagons out of nowhere when scumatlarge is on the block.
Glad we finally agree on something.
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tnkted, I don't think we should worry about a hypothetical list checker and moving our votes around, until we actually get enough votes on Bum to form a majority. If we can get something over the limit for lynching, then maybe we can try to get a couple people to move their votes onto someone else, but I don't want to get screwed by a no-lynch because we have trouble organizing people onto lists and not enough left over to vote to lynch scum.
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Bum is very scummy looking, and nothing he's said or done so far has made him look better to me. I say we lynch him, and then get a vig on VE, who has basically disappeared after a lot of pressure on Day 1.
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Actually, I'd look at the people who were saying we should go for a no lynch, like RoL and Scamp (to a certain extent). A no lynch hurts town even more than a mislynch, as it doesn't even provide us with any sort of information, and no one is forced to take a stand.
I'd also say we should look at BC. If you want my reason, ask.
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On August 18 2011 13:11 Mig wrote:
Also someone can steal votes. They stole drh's vote at the start of day1 to vote aidnai and they stole opz vote to vote on LSB day2. So day1 used the power to help get a townie lynched day2 voted against lynching a mafia.
Wiggles why should we look at BC?
We should look at BC, because he is playing very similarly to how he's played every time I've played scum with him. He acts very disinterestedly and passively, and tries to slip by lurking, until town finally notices around day 3/4. I'm bringing him up, because he's been pressured to talk several times in thread, but hasn't actually contributed anything yet, nor has he given his reads. I don't want him to just slip by, when a DT should probably check him, if not even having a vig shoot him.
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On August 18 2011 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Given the VisceraEyes situation i'm inclined to think Jackal is town.
What's the VE situation, is this why you think he's town? Did I miss something?
Also, RedFF scummy, leaning town on Jackal.
Not sure what to make of tnkted.
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