TL Mafia XLIII

heist wrote
The heart of the matter is whether having a confirmed townie earlier is worth the risk of a less accurate vig shot. And the advantages are great, someone who can potentially point out suspicious claims, coordinate actions, provide a safe outlet for DT checks, etc

On August 03 2011 02:09 Mig wrote:


JeeJee you are correct on this point but what exactly does pointing it out contribute? You have 2 posts and both of them while correct are bland and useless. You commented on pressure votes and neglected to comment on whether you actually thought varp was scummy or not.

Who do you think is scum? What do you think about the 2 leading candidates varp/red?

On August 02 2011 16:26 youngminii wrote:
fairly certain redff is scum
he's playing exactly like that other game where i was scum with him
i'm sorry red but your scum play is so obvious

On August 04 2011 02:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
why is the amount of votes on a person a reason? rather vote on real scum like jeejee.

On August 04 2011 03:34 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Ok JeeJee, since you are probably not going to get lynched im going to hit you tonight. Unless you can convince me of your own innocence, and someone else's scummyness (yes im trigger happy)

On August 04 2011 03:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
shinbi had no scum leanings, then in 10 hours without posting serious reasons he sheeps onto something I say to try and force a bandwagon on a player? Not only that, rather than push said bandwagon with any conviction, he makes his move then vanishes from the thread completely since.

As such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there.

vote jeejee

On August 04 2011 07:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why are you being so antagonistic jeejee? we found a scum yet you're still basically opposing his lynch. there were reasons don't try to discredit this it wasn't all luck

On August 04 2011 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I would have said he played scummy as hell because he did. Right away from his first post I thought "ok that looks like scum posturing" and he continued that throughout the whole thread. They weren't objective reasons, that's not what drives scumhunting it's about understanding what scum try to accomplish and how they do it differently than town and he had all the warning signs man

On August 05 2011 08:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok, to start with I believe of the remaining 3 scum, jeejee is one of them. I say this for a few reasons. He defended Varpulis. However, he didn’t commit to this defense, he posted one near the very beginning of the bandwagon on him then never touched on the issue once it became a solid lynch. His defense of varpulis



Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal.

minii was hating on red, not varp. if he were hating on varp, i'd have put him in the varp category. it doesn't matter who he is hating when the hate is ill-founded given that he hasn't provided any reasons for it

His next post is 7 hours later saying Hi to drazerk. Followed by 3 hours later appearing to take off on a post that I had made an hour before his post.

actually it was asking drazerk a question, showing that he is indeed avoiding the thread, even questions directly addressed to him that can be answered in five seconds




This post is the first one that seriously tries to move a bandwagon away from varpulis. This is done by first using my name as a “backup” as well as using a lot of out of thread reasoning. He then refuses to vote as he will be around for the deadline. Moments later he makes a post saying screw it, and votes. Now, as someone who mentioned early in the thread he doesn’t believe in pressure voting, we know that this vote is meant to be solid “I believe this person is scum”. We also know that as of roughly 10 hours before he voted he had no scum leanings on any player. How is it that someone who has been moderately inactive much like himself, is suddenly sure of the guilt of another player when his reasoning is “inactivity in this thread but active outside of it” He couldn’t find anything in thread? Or in irc to help.

because it's actually pretty damn scummy when someone is reading the thread but refusing to weigh-in, particularly when his arguments were all shot down and he is throwing away his vote, with the deadline looming. i can't believe you said they weren't serious reasons

He then spends the next bit of time after the lynch to accuse players of bad logic, spam, and refusal to even defend himself from general accusations. He attacks my accusation that I made of him by saying “I brought him up first” when all he had done previously was say “hi how are you” to drazerk.

Overall he has had 17-18 posts all game where a fair majority of them have been spam or generally unhelpful / noncommittal.

the general accusations against me were bad, why would i acknowledge them? like i said, i've been lynched for being overly defensive before. apparently shutting down arguments that nobody can possibly believe is more scummy than just ignoring them.

On August 05 2011 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



I am glad that through all of this "defending" you still opt to not weigh in heavily on the current day. More to the point however you directly misread a section of what I posted against you.

Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal.

minii was hating on red, not varp. if he were hating on varp, i'd have put him in the varp category. it doesn't matter who he is hating when the hate is ill-founded given that he hasn't provided any reasons for it


I had already implied the minii bit was in reference to red. The issue was that you were using posts to defend red whereas you were not using any to defend varp. It shows a "weak" and almost unmemorable defense of a mafia roleblocker.


As for your vote of drazerk. Is he lurking and inactive? yes. However, taking the opportunity to jump and appear to try and start a bandwagon when you yourself have also been fairly lurky and inactive is well odd. You then rather than actually give reasonable responses to most people questioning you at that period you opt to do small posts that provide next to nothing. Not only that, but you appear frequently enough to "comment" on the goings on of the thread but you never leave a lasting mark on anything. The posts are very neutral and if someone wasn't looking at you they were be unmemorable.

You are a much better player than this and as such should be more active or at least much more contributing than you are now.

On August 06 2011 02:37 Lucidity wrote:

Not true. Another Vig could have killed a 3rd player. Scum/Vigs could hit a Vet/Med protected player etc. The fact is there are too many variables to confirm the player at night.

On August 06 2011 03:44 Mig wrote:
I was going to wait for chaos and sevryn to show up before I posted this but half way through and they are still awol so gonna post it so everyone can discuss.

One of JeeJee/Bc is pretty much guaranteed scum.

DrH, BC, JeeJee have all claimed medic to me. I talked with BC, ON and DrH who have experience hosting and the odds that there are 3 medics 1 vet in a 20 man game, even with 2 rbers, is virtually none. I trust DrH so I am fairly confident he is telling me the truth. So we can almost guarantee that one of BC/JeeJee is lying. The case against JeeJee is much stronger I believe. He A) defended Varp right after I made the first case against him B) he put virtually 0 effort into contributing analysis and scum hunting, yet when people call him out he comes in and defends himself strongly. So the current plan should be to lynch JeeJee and if he flips red we can try to work out the best plan for the medics, probably something like one defends me one defends the other medic.

Assuming JeeJee flips red then the other 2 scum are very likely between YM/Chaos/Sevryn/Lucid