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I agree with this.
As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless.
Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch.
This is Trotske's first post in response to Ace's idea of a random lynch. He posts mostly facts which cannot be argued and ends with a question. A very safe first post.
Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.
This is Trotske's second post asking me to point out flaws in his reasoning. Again, even though he misrepresents what I have said...he asks a question of clarification in the illusion of working at the case.
How can the town do worse than a RL day1.
His third post in responding to how it's possible the town could do worse than a random lynch on Day1. Notice another question basically. Still no opinions of scums or townies. Notice the trend?
Thank you, that's what I wanted a solid reason.
This is in response to my explanation on how town could suck it up Day1. He apparently agrees that I have a solid reason. Again a safe post...still hasn't made an opinion of much of anything yet.
Sure ill comment,
I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.
The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.
That's my view.
Ok, people have asked trotske to comment. He comments but what does he say? He doesn't really say much. He thinks its better lynch an inactive. Safe. See a pattern here?
By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
This is in response to me voting him because he's playing so passively. Again questions...although this time it's pretty rhetorical. You doing nothing but sitting on the fence does make you look scummy actually.
I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune.
Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum.
Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum.
Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie?
Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat.
Responding to me calling his play scummy so far. You haven't really said anything useful so far. We know almost nothing of your opinions besides you would prefer lynching an inactive (that is a serious copout). Inactives are still at the top of his list...but I'm moving up on it...but his reasoning for me moving up is because I keep voting for different people at a drop of a hat. Well, I've voted one person so far. YOU.
Yea sorry the word I meant to say wasn't vote. After re-reading most of the thread Your not near as suspicious as I thought you were but that's not to say I wont keep my eye on you.
Response to me. He has re-read the the thread and I'm not that suspicious anymore. cool. Now note that I still voted him prior to this post and haven't moved my vote at all.
what did you just edit?
See the pattern here. Most of his posts are either facts or questions. It's hard to find faults in your logic in your posts when all you post are questions.
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
His final post during the time of this writeup. He thinks I'm trying to save myself and don't think he's scum, thus to wagon him. Um, of course I'm going to vote someone and not vote myself. sorry buddy. But, I voted for him yesterday already!! I have called him out on being safe and passive as being scummy. I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking. There are people with far fewer posts than him.
Now he votes me....if you read his previous posts...I was "not near as suspicious as I thought" to trotske. but now he votes me! and he claims that i'm voting him to save myself. what!? hypocrisy. What in the world have I done in the very few posts in between to make me the best lynch for him.
tldr; trotske probably a scum
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I think viscera gets some townie points for being so sure that i'm a scum. it's pretty townie to believe in something so silly using so much definitives.
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On July 24 2011 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Define definitives if you please.
Once DR224 flips red, how in the SHIT are you going to explain your defense of him?
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On July 24 2011 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find humorous about your post Dragon is that while you were posting that, I was literally looking through YOUR posts to see if I'm missing something, ANYTHING, that makes you seem less scummy. I can't find anything sir...but nothing is certain until the flip.
so you decide i'm a scum...look through my posts for things that make me less scum? great way to approach the game.
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viscera, since you're so sure i'm a scum. please make a full case for me being scum..so everyone else can see it.
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You were lurking in the thread. I don't think you are scummy for lurking in the thread. Does this help?
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I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking
This is EXACTLY what I wrote. trotske, your posts are getting worse and worse. seriously.
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VE,
Some of your points seem to be that I am scummy because I'm in favor of the random lynch. While not even arguing the fact that I did or did not advocate it....how is it a given that liking or not liking the random lynch is scummy.
You seem to assume that random lynch = scummy/bad and the people associated with it are as well.
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Wait wait wait...back up the truth train here a second. You were JUST insisting that I was lthe point entirely...that you thought I was scummy for my 'forced, unnatural, apparently-helpful-but-not-so-much posting'? I thought the RL discussion was 'interesting' to you? Now you're contradicting yourself too. Cool.
Can you please elaborate on the part where I contradict myself? I think I understand what you're referencing..but not 100% sure. You think I contradict myself when I find the RL discussion interesting but your argument pointless? I don't see this as contradictory.
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On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks
+townie points
but definitely a confused one as i am not scum
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On July 24 2011 03:43 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:37 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks +townie points but definitely a confused one as i am not scum dude its to late to try and make me your buddy by giving me some of your "townie points"
this post is just so bad on so many levels.
i'm not trying to be your buddy. I'm poitning out to everyoen that your post is more likely as a townie than a mafia member.
sheesh.
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VE,
you're again misrepresenting what i said. I never said that you're scummy because you're still arguing about RL when it's pointless.
I said and quote: "I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy."
Ihe argument was pointless. I felt like you should have known it...yet you brought it up anyhow. this is exactly why i think your posts were "forced".
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Once again DADV is probably going to hold true.
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Curuu. you misrepresent almost everythign in my posts.
learn to read people's posts before posting. i'm kind of tired of replying to people who can't read.
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Hi guys.
So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why?
It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day.
clearly we've had 0 discussion today because of ace's plan.
What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players?
I can see how my post is somewhat vague. What I mean when I said "I don't care a lick about the lynch" is whether it was random lynch or not. I never claimed to help inexperienced players. don't know where you get this from.
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what have i said that is anti-town or doesn't make sense?
i have given reads on as many players as i can which is much more useful than what most of the people have done honestly.
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On July 24 2011 04:19 Curu wrote:
Your attitude and your posting are ridiculous. Drop the shit and play properly. It's your own fault if you are a Townie that you act like a lightning rod of hostility and anti Town behavior. If you're able to draw 7 votes to yourself without anyone really actively trying to paint you in a bad light, chances are it's your own damn fault. You're not better than anyone else here, stop acting like it. I'm willing to lynch you at this point just so you stop poisoning the thread.
It's all but given you're going to die today, so if you want to help Town then expand your thoughts/analysis before you go. Your prior behavior has ensured that you're not going to save yourself. All you've done is try to attack down anyone who votes for you and call them bad.
I don't know what sort of environment you like to play in but acting like an elitist asshole and belittling everyone else is just ensuring that no one will take your analysis seriously on top of being extremely hostile to the Town atmosphere, especially in a game that's designed for new players. They already don't have much confidence, direction or experience, posting like you're better than them and deserve some sort of special treatment while slamming them down is just going to turn them into scared sheep. Drop the attitude and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you.
This must be the biggest troll post ever. I can't stop laughing at this.
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On July 24 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:
Laugh all the way to your lynch.
If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from.
If that is what is felt then. fine. This will be my last game here.
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On July 24 2011 04:32 redFF wrote:
Please don't ragequit just because you got lynched...
oh it's not that im getting lynched. I didn't rage when I had 6 or 7 votes on me whatever.
Curuu says that it's my own fault if i get lynched because of how i posted. And also my style is not conducive to this forum. What point is there to play here then? I'm going to finish this game out of course if for some small chance I don't get lynched today.
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@RedFF
I moved you from average or maybe a little above average scum to slight town after thinking about it a little bit. never said you were an above average scum candidate.
The vote on trotske was to put some pressure on him to post more. he did and then i looked through all his posts and he looked like a good scum canddiate to me.
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