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On July 27 2011 07:54 Trotske wrote:
I love how you and palmer get active all of a sudden right after if there is a bad lynch tomorrow You are now both at the top of my Scum list with RedFF. 3 not so active people with little to say and once we are down to last chance lynch they get all active trying to lynch one person with very little evidence.
I'm completely fine with being no1 on mafia's scumlist.
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On July 27 2011 07:46 Trotske wrote:
I don't think a DT should claim at all and simply if they hit a scum try to persuade people to vote for them.
Mafia can just counter claim any DT or claim first and then say it was a mafia counter claim if a real DT comes along.
Claiming gets us nowhere. we still don't know who to trust.
That's the reason I wanna kill you, not the fact that you voted for ace. Voting for Ace was logical, telling DTs to shut up is illogical.
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yep, we have no dt.
Has anyone gotten roleblocked at any point in the game?
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Those guys have been setting up that trotske lynch since yesterday
##Vote VisceraEyes
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Yes.
Re-read the thread, trotske is more likely to be a newbie than actually scum, I'm pretty sure you're just going for an easy lynch, you knew all along that I was going to support an Ace lynch cause I was mad at him for that shitty day 1 analysis.
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On July 28 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
In my opinion, Palmar and someone else active are scum and a lurker is scum. Trotske isn't looking good, but the fact that Palmar was trying to get him lynched early d2 speaks to me that he's misguided townie. Looking at Palmar's posts now for evidence.
We're in a precarious position here...because if we lynch Palmar and he's scum, it's going to be hard to find the other scum because I led the first two lynches, not scum...so technically I'm the most suspicious. Unfortunately, I'm also town...so Palmar's partner is someone hopping on bandwagons, safe from scrutiny.
I also want to point out another possibility, in the spirit of transparency. I could be way off on Palmar AND Trotske...scum could be 3 random lurkers just as easily. Especially since the thread is relatively active and only townie deaths. I'm only so suspicious of Palmar right now based on the post I just quoted...he seemed to agree with me on the Trotske tip until appruds flipped...which was someone else Palmar suspected, btw. And suddenly I'm the most scummy.
Right, you're factually wrong, you're trying to turn the wagon around because we called you out on the bullshit. Yes trotske looks bad, but I realized some people had been subtly pushing him for a while.
Let's break down your text, because I KNOW you're pretty good when you're town, you actually read the thread and you get your facts straight, this time around you're either painfully ignorant or you're scum.
First lie:
Trotske isn't looking good, but the fact that Palmar was trying to get him lynched early d2 speaks to me that he's misguided townie
I never even mentioned trotske on day 2. On night 2 I said that I'd be voting for him tomorrow based on him trying to keep DTs hiding, which was retarded, but it's not incriminating so I changed my mind.
Second lie:
he seemed to agree with me on the Trotske tip until appruds flipped...which was someone else Palmar suspected, btw
Only reason I mentioned trotske is his DT shenanigans, and I never pointed a finger at aprudds, if your memory wasn't so bad you'd know I was pushing an alternative lynch to him, although that turned out to be town too.
So, I was slightly suspicious towards you, decided to check how you'd react to some pressure, and you didn't disappoint.
your combination of "NO YOU ARE SCUM" and random lying hasn't exactly helped me get off your case.
So my vote is staying where it is.
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you can press that filter button at the top right to read all my posts again, you'll see that both those statements made by VE are flat out lies.
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There is no reason to trust any DT that comes forward.
What would you do if someone came in and said "look guys, I checked redFF and he's mafia"
Would you hang him?
DTs are now useless unless they breadcrumbed their role.
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That's exactly what we're saying.
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tomorrow all it takes is one single townie voting wrong, and the mafia team can just last minute change their votes and win.
At least it takes two wrong townie votes today.
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I can't convince you he's scum, you already know that.
The people I'm trying to convince are the rest of town.
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Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.
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On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3
There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue.
Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town.
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On July 30 2011 00:01 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3 There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue. Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town. there we go that's a start, While its true that does look like sarcasm the rest of his posts makes some good points care to address those?
Where are the good points. Everything VE says is true, but it's just not... anti-town.
I can pull out more beautiful things.
He accuses me of "Giving my team ideas"... which is just... wtf?
That post was made in reference to redFF getting lynched day 1 as scum in another game. Even if this was a genuine advice, why would I post it in the thread? but it's obviously a joke.
Then he accuses me of changing my mind, again, how do I defend myself to that?
1. I accuse redFF a bit
2. DR422 posts a scummy list
3. I go after DR422
somehow VisceraEyes twists this into being anti-town or scummy. Like I fully admit, I changed my mind? What do you want me to say? DR422 was not only playing in a very weird way, but he was also shitting up the thread and causing bad atmosphere. Accusing me of changing my mind is like me accusing VisceraEyes of being named after a Mars Volta tune... It's true, but it says nothing about his alignment.
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More stuff, he accuses me of discrediting DR422... why would I NOT discredit players I think are scum?
And then he accuses me of being inconsistent with the reasons I'm suspicious of DR422, again, if you weren't fabricating this whole thing you would've stopped and realized that this list was bad in more than one way. I don't think I need to re-hash why that was, feel free to read my posts in VE's analysis.
Like, this analysis is still very good for town.
Go read it, look at what he's saying, look how he has managed to twist and turn every single thing that really is honest and logical into something scummy. This is mafia trying to finish the game today, he gave himself away when he started trying to use obvious jokes as scumtells.
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Mafia doesn't give themselves away every single post. I can read 95% of your posts and I'd think you were town still. It's the little slips and missteps that identify scum from town. It's the 5% that doesn't make sense.
I noted right back on day 1 that you seemed very enthusiastic about my sarcastic comment that I thought you were town, but I did not figure out you were scum because you agreed with my own scumreads. There are three main points in your play that gave you away.
1. Your overenthusiastic attitude back on day 1, you made like 5 posts with no content but just to give general advice and throwaway comments on how to play nice. This is great for scum because it looks like contribution but it isn't.
2. Your subtle style of pushing for Trotsky since day 2, and then immediately voting him as day 3 began. You thought you had enough support for the lynch but you didn't. You basically planned day 3 lynch before Ace even flipped.
On July 26 2011 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
K thx Trotske. When I'm done trying to get Ace lynched, you're next. Don't worry.
3. When you realized that there wasn't going to be a quiet town willing to go through with your plan and lynching trotske, you turn around and look for the next target. Now it's time to go lynch Palmar, so you write a phony analysis, based on twisting my jokes and normal posts into something scummy.
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It's actually a fortunate turn of events that you've decided that your chances of lynching town are better with me than trotske, because I'm pretty confident in my abilities to defend myself.
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I am defending myself, if I get lynched this game is over, barring a super medic save.
But the thing is, you aren't stupid VisceraEyes, so the only possible reason you'd do what you're doing is that you're mafia. You don't actually believe that using jokes in an analysis is valid, and you don't actually believe that changing my mind is scummy.
You're just trying to make it look that way.
I'd much rather answer questions from people I think are actually town, as I'm not trying to convince YOU that you're scum, I'm trying to convince TOWN that you're scum.
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Yeah, you see, I think Trotske is town, mostly based on the fact that you tried to lynch him.
I actually thought that anyone who read the analysis could tell that your evidence is fabricated, but Trotske wanted a clear explanation so I need to give it.
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Once again, you're taking logical actions and trying to make them look scummy. I will break any and all policies that you might think I have in order to try and get you lynched, and by extension, avoid a mislynch on myself.
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Everyone was pushing for a lynch on confirmed town day 2
And yes, I think Pyo is scum. I don't know why you're trying to suddenly backpedal and bus him. But at the moment the case for you is so much stronger.
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