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On July 23 2011 01:21 redFF wrote: So in that first post you quoted I made a warning about lying to town because in recent games I have played/seen it has bit town in the ass. You yourself lied multiple times in PTP1 for terrible reasons and got yourself lynched... Ok, I said lying is bad but I don't want to LAL because sometimes dumb townies lie, how is that scummy? I'm just trying to lay out pro-town policies, which imo LAL is not. As for the second post, how is that scummy? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. That looks like taking a stance to me, and wanting to see a game where it has been used is fair enough. I hadn't quite made a decision regarding it but yes I think it's pretty clear that we shouldn't random lynch. I really cannot fathom how you saw something scummy enough to place your vote on me in there... Hi, I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum. So instead of being so focused on yourself, why don't you tell us whom else we should lynch? Now that we've established you don't want to random lynch, start putting down ideas. | ||
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Nice. | ||
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##Unvote redFF ##Vote DragonReborn422 | ||
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So, how about it, we lynch you instead? That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum. Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum. Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything. | ||
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From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. This is brilliant, from this sentence, Ace pulls two things that simply aren't true. point a) he says I claim to speak for town. This is incorrect, I say this in a general way "Looking at any given mafia game from the perspective of the town players" would've been more accurate, but I assumed that people wouldn't try to twist things that aren't there. and point b) he says that I'm throwing around false facts, again, just not true. If people actually bother to read the sentence, you can see I specifically say "and judging by the 8 games that I have played". Any statistician will tell you the sample size is too small to really mean anything, but it's all I have, so I throw it out there. Feel free to provide more statistics. So, Ace is being guilty of exactly the thing that he has accused me of, namely putting words in people's mouth. Sure, I felt after initially reading the thread that there was more support for the RL plan than there actually was. And I wrote the post on DR without actually checking if he had explicitly suggested we RL, while in truth he had simply said he'd be fine with it. Now, that this is out of the way, I really want people to take a look at the list that DR posted, it really, really is something that strikes me as very odd. And yes town, this is Ace leading a bad lynch, I'm not still sure if it's because he is scum and this is the best thing he could come up with, or if it's because he simply didn't read/understand my posts. | ||
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On July 23 2011 03:22 DragonReborn422 wrote: What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand. How many people are we going to be able to lynch tonight? Yeah, that's right 1. Now, you say you have a heavy mafia lean on VisceraEyes, so why don't you, instead of writing a pretty bland and non-commital list, instead try build a case that might get VisceraEyes lynched? You seem perfectly happy with throwing around weak accusations and then just wobbling along in the thread. That's great, if you're scum, as you don't really have to commit to anything. And as an additional bonus, you make friends! You're basically using the oldest trick in the scumbook, if you tell someone he's town, he's likely to think you're town in turn. You then cast a vote on Trotske, fair enough, as he just proved that the's actively lurking the thread, but where is the follow-up? Why aren't you pushing him to the gallows? Either you think people are scum, or you don't. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, there's everything wrong with not trying. Thing is, I have a feeling you want to stay on the good side of as many people as possible, I think that's because you're scum. | ||
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You haven't pushed your ideas at all. | ||
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On July 23 2011 06:40 Lord Vatti wrote: Would someone give me a recap.... why are we all voting DR? RedFF i understand your reason to vote me. it makes perfect sense. I don't really have a legitimate reason for voting Palmer... Palmer just seemed suspicious to me. I know that seems scummy, but townies make mistakes so... ##unvote Palmer. I really have to learn to not make hasty decisions. i had no backing, and i apologize for the hasty vote. if i get lynched that would make sense, because i do seem rather scummy. I'm just sayin' sorry... really? is this your first game? | ||
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On July 23 2011 06:45 Lord Vatti wrote: yes. You should probably read ver's guide on how to improve, that post was bad. | ||
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The case against DR422 remains that he doesn't even commit to his own scum-reads, he's leaning heavy scum on VE and then votes for a random lurker. It's the safest possible play in the book. But then again, just like when you accused me of putting words in people's mouths and then promptly did it yourself, now you're accusing people of not reading the thread and then you do the same shit yourself again? I don't even have second thoughts anymore, I'm pretty convinced DR422 is scum. The worst part is that you call me detrimental to town, yet you defend someone on rather flimsy evidence, like there is nothing that should have you so convinced he's town... unless you of course already know his alignment, that's actually a possibilty. | ||
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On July 24 2011 06:03 Pyo wrote: Hi curu! I had a feeling that you'd be joining us. ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched... I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red. And now we have a lynch target for tomorrow. | ||
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On July 24 2011 06:03 Pyo wrote: Hi curu! I had a feeling that you'd be joining us. ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched... I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red. I have a problem with this post. First of all Pyo did not commit to anything at all on day one. But then he sweeps in, after waiting for long enough to make damn sure town wasn't going to back off the DR422 lynch, and tells us "Look guys, he's not scum" He also makes sure that we know his scumdar sucks, which is only a good trait if you're mafia. And finally, nice going, Ace is only a suspect if DR flips red... why? So, guys, who's your last scumbuddy, Ace, Pyo... and... ? ##Vote Pyo | ||
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But in any case. ##Unvote ##Vote Ace | ||
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There was no reason to unvote ace, unless you already knew his alignment. | ||
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On July 27 2011 07:05 Trotske wrote: OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE although this post is pretty damn stupid. | ||
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There are plenty of reasons, he tried to get me lynched on the shittiest evidence I've seen, half of it fabricated, then he just called everyone stupid and left the thread. And then the fact that he randomly decided to defend a scummy player on day 1. | ||
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Mafia can fake-claim and instantly win the game, so either you claim tonight, or you don't. | ||
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