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On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.
what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia?
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I've noticed most of you don't read people's posts AT ALL. Like I keep seeing questions of if there is a random lynch how it will work. Ace has already posted how this will be done in a fair way.
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On July 22 2011 14:44 Sevryn wrote:
Just by suggesting a RL we have gotten alot of talk going I don't think anybody looks to scummy atm. However I can't say a RL is the type of risk I would want to take. it favors mafia so there is a 75% chance that town gets lynched and then we lose another to mafia overnight. i feel like we can make it alot less than 75% to lynch town with just good post analysis.
I really want to know where people come up with this myth that a random lynch favors the mafia. In a BALANCED game, it should be exactly break-even for both sides to random lynch and/or random night kill. It really depends on the skill of the players to push the favor in one side or other. Given that it's Day1 and a bunch of players are new, an argument can be made that a random lynch may even be MORE successful at finding a scum on Day1.
People have given me slack for not having an opinion but leaning one way or another about this case. It's because ITS DAY1. It really doesn't matter to me who gets lynched on Day1 to me. If it gets randomized, that's fine for me too. I've also made my reads on some of the posts that looked scummy to me.
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I'd like to respond to Jacinto's post. I'm not sure how to multi-quote so I'll just address his points individually.
Here he sais that he doubts it's better to scumhunt than to RL. First of all, I think that it is a bit suspicious even to hold this view, but in later posts he keep contradicting himself.
I've never said it's beter to scumhunt than to RL. Don't know where you get this from.
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This is definitly scummy. He sais that he does not care about how we lynch. That it does not matter to him. And to be honest, Visceras posts were pretty helpful to me, since he actually answered my questions. And if he does think that it's probably better to RL(which his earlier post imply), why doesn't he argue for that? What he sais is that he has no opinion, but it's scummy that Viscera has one. Although, he doesn't criticize Ace for having one. Instead he sais
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Ok you kind of got me here. I don't really care who we lynch (although I will fervently defend myself as I'm 100% sure of my town townie role). I don't think Viscera is scummy for having an opinion. Where do you come up with this? I think Viscera's post is a somewhat forced comeback to Ace which although sounds nice isn't really. I think his post is FORCED and looks overly helpful (whilst not being that helpful)!!!!!
Implying that he likes the idea of a RL, since this is what Ace is actually writing.
Don't know where you get this idea from. First of all Ace made several posts. I just enjoyed his posts in general. If I say..Obama made a great speech. That doesn't mean I agree with everything in it. I just liked his posts in general.
Here again. He sais he does not care if town RLs or not and that we can never do a good choice, but still he keeps doing very agressive posts about the matter. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't he care, is he not interested in winning?
How am I being aggressive? Almost all my posts are responses to people trying to defend myself from made up accusations. I never said the town can never do a good choice. I said I doubt we can achieve higher than 25% and it depends on the town/mafia players. Quit putting your bias into my posts please.
Again, very careful to show that he has no opinion what so ever, even though he has actually made som post leaning towards RL
Once again, he keeps saying he doesn't have an opinion, even though he fiercefully argues throughout the thread.
Also he is very fast on throwing accusations. Viscera, me and aprudds have allready been FoSed by him.
If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly.
So my mafia tactic is to push the town towards a random lynch...this is what you're implying? Yet I have made accusations on Viscera, you and aprudds? Makes sense yo. So I can't throw accusations? Lol. I had reasons (good or bad) for thinking viscera's posts were scummy. I just didn't like aprudds first post. I hate saying things like "If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly." aka if he isnt scum he sucks. i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?
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@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
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If you count live games of mafia, I started playing when I was in the ninth grade...so I've played mafia for about 11 years now.
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I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
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On July 23 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
By that I meant
DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.
I haven't re-read the thread yet. I've mostly just responded to a couple things regarding myself. I will re-read now.
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RE: redFF
he really hasn't posted much. a couple one liners. I used to only post one liners and jokes on day 1....it was entertaining and easy to balance into your mafia game as well.
He hasn't gone overly out of his way to look helpful (as viscera has). He's made like 2 quality posts....one in which he rants about newbies and one in which he is confused about randomness. These two don't really go well together to be honest. He's probably average or maybe a little above average scum candidate to me.
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I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.
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Not to mention they say I do something which I haven't done is stupid. that's probably even more infuriating.
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On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.
well, you're certainly giving me enough attention. move onto something else kitty.
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1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.
2. Sevryn - has made only 2 posts that i can see. both have been advice/generalizations about the game. he doesn't have any leans on anyone. i lean mafia on him.
3. Jacinto - trying hard which is a pretty good sign. most likely not mafia/mafia with viscera. But I think its very possible one or the other is. slight mafia lean.
4. Palmar - lean town...although i don't really get the case on redFF. i mean most cases are pretty weak on day1...but you seem somewhat adamant on redFF.
5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.
6. aprudds - has made 5 posts since the game has begun. 0 have been regarding player roles. They've all been about what he likes or doesn't like about posts. No lean.
7. Pyo - a pretty solid long post. slight town lean
8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.
9. DragonReborn422 - 100% townie
10. Ace - have no clue on his role but i like his posts...would like to keep him around for at least another day
11.Lord Vatti - hasn't posted
12. Fortress Fortune - hasn't posted
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On July 23 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.
So, how about it, we lynch you instead?
That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.
Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.
Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.
why would you not share your reads on everyone? if you die and your role is revealed your opinions matter more. not that your reads are all necessarily right...but at least you know if he died a townie he at least had the best intentions.
Of the 9 players I put leans on townie or mafia..I put 4 mafia leans. I did not call everyone town.
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On July 23 2011 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
DR, what do you mean by 'forced'? I thought I knew, but I want to know what YOU mean when you say it. You've said it in almost ALL the posts regarding me you've made.
What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'?
The idea behind the mafia player is to "fit in" with the rest of the town. It's harder to post as mafia because you have to put more thoughts into your posts so you don't give yourself away. As a townie, you don't quite have that holding you back.
When I say your post appear forced....it means a post that seems unnatural and doesn't flow with a townsperson's way of thinking. Your response to ace's idea of a random lynch seemed like the thought "oh i can look to help the town by derailing this idea (regardless of how good the idea is)"
of course this is all only conjecture and theory on my part.
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I'm trying to find the mafia regardless of what some of you might think. Trying to save myself does help find the mafia as I am 100% sure of my own role.
I apologize if I am doing it differently than how some of you may be accustomed to. I'm not familiar with the traditions on the forum.
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While a lot of palmar's posts are not based on facts. They look natural and free-flowing and thus townie. He seems like an emotional player and just posts whatever is on his mind.
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I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure.  Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
This is your to Ace after he suggested randing the kill. I kinda basically just ignored Ace's post after I read it as 1...I doubt it would happen and 2... I thought it was mostly a joke.
You call his post scummy yet you state that you're new and there might be something obvious you're missing. This post does not seem natural.
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On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
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