Pick Their Power Mafia 2 - Page 3

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:27 GMT

#534

On July 26 2011 00:24 syllogism wrote:

Unless the idea was to somehow make your lynch more likely, that doesn't make sense to me. YM was a suspect and his role wasn't that powerful considering he already used one of his one shot abilities

Of course their idea is to make my lynch more likely.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:29 GMT

#539

On July 26 2011 00:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:

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You want to risk a night vigi when there could be a chance of a mafia medic?

So why didn't you shoot me?

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:30 GMT

#542

On July 26 2011 00:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
We could risk a penalty for the person who made the Tim Roth role?

Scum would love that.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:32 GMT

#545

On July 26 2011 00:29 Tackster wrote:

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*ominous thunder*

What if the shot was.... PENALISED!!!!!!

Well hell somebody was serious about their penalties. I think Decon said mod killing wouldn't be a valid penalty.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:33 GMT

#546

On July 26 2011 00:32 Tackster wrote:

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You do realise that leads us to a confirmed scum pretty much right?

Ya I guess it would. I was just thinking about getting somebody penalized.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 25 2011 15:40 GMT

#552

On July 26 2011 00:32 Jackal58 wrote:

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Well hell somebody was serious about their penalties. I think Decon said mod killing wouldn't be a valid penalty.

Well scratch that. I thought he said something along those lines but he hasn't said anything that I see about mod killing as a penalty.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 26 2011 12:26 GMT

#926

On July 26 2011 13:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:

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On July 26 2011 13:28 redFF wrote:

On July 26 2011 06:14 supersoft wrote:

On July 26 2011 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On July 26 2011 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

On July 26 2011 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On July 26 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.

Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town.

What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?

The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?

Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me.

In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time.

In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else.

Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not.

By giving him a check we give legitmacy over time to his supposed alignment. Say he is mafia, he checks kita, kita flips town, he gives us a town. That makes him look better as he complied to the check.

Say both kita and SS are red, he says kita is town it still gives both a look of legitmacy. One for complying for the check. Its subtle and its insidious. Someone who is not confirmed you do not let slowly insinuate they are. Had you guys outlined you planned on trusting his check with a grain of salt I would be less worried than i am now.

Of course we'd take it with a grain of salt, I'm taking everything in this game with a grain of salt, because if I trusted everything I read, I'd be pretty silly. That's also why I'm saying we can also check people who aren't major lynch targets yet, and then just ignore the results until someone else confirms SS, he gets shot by mafia, or we even flip him ourselves with a vig.

Now I am seeing the first person with some sense -_-. Wiggles, go back and originally read the use of his role and you will see NO ONE advocated what you did just now. You will see it otherwise and should realize my discontent. What you just proposed is more cautious than everything else in relation to using his role to this point.

hey bc, wanna check?

Bc ignored this post.

On July 26 2011 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On July 26 2011 06:38 Curu wrote:
You don't know if he suffered his penalty or not Wiggles. It might just be he's roleblocked for tonight, who knows.

BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you?

Nope. As much as being confirmed town benefits town as a whole, it gets me shot by third party / mafia or some asshole townie who thinks they are being a hero.

Instead I will risk getting shot anyway, but the likelyhood of a third party shot or red goes down whereas the option of a townie shooting me is higher. Any med with half a brain will realize I have been trying to make people think and not be stupid and might protect me.

Then posts this.

K so if he inspects you you will be confirmed town, but increases the chance to be shot at by scum/blacks. Then you say that you would like medic protection, surely if you are confirmed town you are more likely to get medic protection? Quote supersoft so you can be alignment checked. If you keep ignoring this issue then i will get you lynched.

Lol you want to force BC to be role checked which has NOTHING to do with the events of Day 1, YET Jackal [Harry Fucking Potter] gets to go without posting since the idea of having Dropbear claim. Once that happens Jackals posting completely stops. Weird huh?

Ya it is. Work happened. I had to go to Juarez Mexico to rescue one of our aircraft that was loaded with car parts and broken. It happens. That's part of my job. If I can't walk the flight crew through a fix I go and fix it for them. I just got back to the shop. I've been gone for about 20 hours.
I'm going home to get some food and some sleep. If you want to lynch me for having a job feel free. Right now I don't really fucking care.
BC and Amber are the two scummiest people in this game. But you all want to lynch me because ON flipped town. I had nothing to do with his role, his alignmen,t his death, or his flip but I'm fucking guilty because I thought I was preventing town from making a mistake. Lynch me. Don't care. Derps.
I'll be back later.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 26 2011 14:53 GMT

#940

On July 26 2011 23:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:Scum.

Get checked by Supersoft or ask for a replacement if you're going to come back with excuses about work. I missed 2 lynches in AA because my work schedule doesn't allow me to post at 9 PM but at least I tried to justify every action I made [as scum too].

Get over yourself. Why don't you get checked by SS. Your only reason for calling me scum is ON flipped town. Show me anything anywhere that I have posted that pushes a scum agienda. Show me. Link it, quote it. Don't care just show me. You have nothing but what you perceive as a free lynch. You push it without any reason at all. You just say scum. That's how scum play. You get checked scummy.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 26 2011 15:27 GMT

#947

On July 27 2011 00:00 Amber[LighT] wrote:

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You should get checked to confirm your alignment in the Harry Potter world. Your being defensive, and your lack of "catching up" in the thread is pretty obvious. You haven't bothered to post about anything except things I post. Look at your own history. It's pretty hilarious.

I know what my alignment is and of course I'm being defensive. Every post you make you start with "scum"
Why am I scum? You haven't answered that. Go ahead and look at my posts again. You'll see I keep asking but you give no answers.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 26 2011 23:57 GMT

#1230

Well hell. I wish I hadn't of woke up now. I thought flip was at 9.
My absence is not game related. It is work related. I'm in another game with Kita being hosted by Chaos. Feel free to ask if I was there either. I posted in that game immediately after I posted here and then I went to bed. I have a job that on occasions calls me out of town. It happened yesterday morning. I was gone for a bit over 20 hours. I had nothing but my cell phone to access the internet. It is pretty much read only. Sorry. Shit happens.
If vigis want to shoot me feel free. If they don't and you want to lynch me tomorrow feel free. I'm not defending myself anymore. I have nothing to defend myself against. I'm town. My motivations are town. My role claim is legitimate. You'll have to ask Decon why me and ON are both town. I can't answer that.
Fire away. Airborne!

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 26 2011 23:57 GMT

#1231

Happy birthday Kita.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

July 27 2011 00:36 GMT

#1234

On July 27 2011 09:16 Curu wrote:
Jackal that's terrible. If you're Town then at least try, contribute, whatever. if you can't because of time please ask for a replacement.

I have time unless it happens again. In the 20 or so games I've played here this is the second time it's happened. Nobody even noticed it the first time. My last post was made at the same time it was suggested that I get DT checked by SS. I never saw it until this morning. And then I was just pissed at the Amber tunnel.
Then I went to sleep. And I did contribute. You guys want to kill me because of it.
I'm sure that even with my absence I have more posts of substance than half the people in this game.