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On July 25 2011 15:06 Curu wrote:
And if you mean where I believed his role abilities, what are the chances that he claims some power then Voldemort flips with the exact same power? He's almost certainly telling the truth about his Mason power, and that's easily confirmable anyways.
As for the thing about Voldemort, I think my post most clearly pointed out that I doubt it's legit because it doesn't make sense for any hint at player alignment to be in a role PM.
My point is you believe they're both created by dec, they're both modified masons and they both are after the items.
Then you say that Potter is red because Voldy was green.
Or that Jackal is red because he lied about voldy 'hiding in town' yet when potter says he need to kill voldy that's just flavour text and he's really a mason.
That is highly inconsistent. If they're both masons you have no reason to suspect potter of being non-green.
If you think potter knew voldy was green then you MUST think voldy had an alternate win condition - but you made a big post about how he's a mason that dec invented.
I'm just pointing about the inconsistency...
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Ok i didn't mean red as in mafia i meant red as in non-town.
And by mason i meant 'can communicate with other outside the thread' not 'can convert people'.
Why would you think voldemort couldn't 'mason' people - only chat to them, but then potter can convert them to another group?
And what i meant by the flavour text phrase (and others have mentioned this recently) is that if you assume that when the role pm to voldy to kill harry potter that was flavour text aka ornamental bullcrap, then you also have to assume the corresponding phrase in potters pm role was ornamental or mistaken.
Deconduo said everyone must post a role.
Deconduo said all roles will be used.
I agree that this seems to be a twin role that Dec created based on a theme.
I disagree that these roles have a synergy that connects them through opposing alignment. Harry and Voldy being green is as weird as voldy being green and harry red.
You haven't given me any reasons to see potter as a 3rd party, all your reasons are meta about the creation of the roles...
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On July 25 2011 15:30 Curu wrote:
I think your confusion comes from the definition of Mason. By Mason I mean can chat with them, not a Cult-style alignment changing. Basically I am saying Jackal can do the same thing ON could.
Clear?
I also did not assume Voldy's role PM to kill Harry was flavour. I said it might be, and if isn't then it doesn't make sense for Harry to be Mafia because that's a completely redundant win condition.
Clear?
I did not say it's weird for them to be the same alignment. I said it'd be weird of them to be Town-Mafia, and ON is certainly Town. I said it's possible they're both Town. I think Jackal is a 3rd because I think that he made up part of his role PM cause it didn't make sense to have anything hinting at alignment in his PM.
Clear?
#1 - Clear
#2 - You can't say that given 2 choices where 1 is redundant (and therefore unviable) you haven't made your mind up. You have made your mind up. It's the non-redundant one. Therefore you do think it's flavour text. Not only do you disagree with yourself otherwise but I don't think anyone has actually treated it as a real win-condition.
#3 - If you think he made up the part of his PM that was flavour in the twin voldy PM then you're disagreeing with the result of #2 which you can't cos the other result is redundant.
You are disagreeing with yourself and justifying it by saying the disagreement is over 2 different things. Whether or not it was flavour text is the same as whether or not jackal lied. It's that simple.
If it wasn't flavour text on voldy it's redundant. If it was flavour on voldy's then he had no reason to lie!
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Oh and say it's ok if he's 3rd party cos they're still an anti-town role
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EBWOP: Oh and don't say it's ok if he's 3rd party cos they're still an anti-town role
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Well in fairness I can't see the problem with your response either so I suppose my scumhunt has failed... Onto my next victim!
And by the way - I'm basically in agreement with the statement you just made. I would go so far as to say there is probably an anti-town in the group of Jackal, Heist and YM - but in general on day one i still prefer to lynch someone i can't analyse rather than someone active.
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I just noticed - people are voting in the voting thread without posting in the forum!
Tsk tsk tsk - does this have to be explained every time?
notify us of votes here too please or i will scold you severely!
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On July 25 2011 21:20 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 21:18 sandroba wrote:
Kurumi, can you stop with the trolling pls? If you have a rolecheck available during the day, pls use it on kita. Also, who do you want 5 votes on? myself so I can die as fast as I can and no my rolecheck is not a day one sorry
Kurumi what's up? Need something real to go on here - if all you're going to do is post randomly you probably would increase your chances lurking.
Take part or /out. Goes to all lurkers!
Also mentioning lylo on day 1? is there a guinness records of mafia thread anywhere?
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On July 25 2011 21:25 Kurumi wrote:
no I have a plan
that's why I need votes and vig shot
or something nice
This could be a ##Fistpound moment, this could be the beginning of the zombie invasion...
Votes and a vig shot... sounds like a win condition!
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I honestly believe that the 'disguise' in Jackals role PM was simply a misuse of the word and intended for effect.
Seeing as we all assumed that Voldemort would be a red or black role the mods probably wanted to point out the possibility of a green Voldemort by saying he disguised himself as town. Probably they meant to say he's converted to town or established himself as town.
The Potter and Voldy roles were obviously a creation of the mods. Like they said they take a role and 'change' it. In this case they took a role and duplicated it - probably because there were 2 existing roles too alike.
I believe the above to be the case. In general I am for a Jackal lynch as policy. However as this time the ONLY thing we have to go on is a disagreement over the meaning of disguised I suggest we delay in our actions until later on. There was no lie here.
I suggest YM, heist and kita as possible targets. I am not feeling comfortable with a sandroba lynch.
We can simply check jackal tonight. If he's town we have +1 KP, if not no losses - he's a powerless mafia, a confirmed SK or some weird 3rd party shite I hardly believe could be the case.
**rant over**
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Oh and to explain my target choices:
YM - That vig shot was just awful and to cover yourself with 'mafia would never do this' is pure drivel
Heist - You seemed too into the item game from the start and seemed to be breadcrumbing you had an item or were harry (not scummy but close to lying IMO)
kita - this has been explained at length. Lurk much?
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On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles Show nested quote +All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us
hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one
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On July 25 2011 23:27 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one Right, that makes sense
Well in that case I think the matter should be closed.
Syllo while we're chatting can you give me your opinions on my FoSes?
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On July 25 2011 23:37 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:28 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:27 syllogism wrote:On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one Right, that makes sense Well in that case I think the matter should be closed. Syllo while we're chatting can you give me your opinions on my FoSes? My vote is already on Kita so not going to elaborate on that again. YM's actions make perfect sense for mafia as I already noted earlier, but I'm not quite seeing the same when I look at his post history. Heist's post history is fluff and him pushing for jackal lynch, which is something consider a mafia objective. However once again the post explaining his logic doesn't appear scummy, despite the logic being flawed. Kita is still currently my pick out of the three.
Ok i know i sound like GMarshall here but in the interest of keeping the hunt active who are your top 3 town?
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On July 25 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:51 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:37 syllogism wrote:On July 25 2011 23:28 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:27 syllogism wrote:On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one Right, that makes sense Well in that case I think the matter should be closed. Syllo while we're chatting can you give me your opinions on my FoSes? My vote is already on Kita so not going to elaborate on that again. YM's actions make perfect sense for mafia as I already noted earlier, but I'm not quite seeing the same when I look at his post history. Heist's post history is fluff and him pushing for jackal lynch, which is something consider a mafia objective. However once again the post explaining his logic doesn't appear scummy, despite the logic being flawed. Kita is still currently my pick out of the three. Ok i know i sound like GMarshall here but in the interest of keeping the hunt active who are your top 3 town? Why would he give you town reads? Are you trying to figure out who you should shoot tonight?
So you're saying we shouldn't make lists of peoples analysis to compare with their play later?
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This is that tricky point where if I find out who shot YM without being asked I will find a way to kill him... But we've lost too many greens and somehow now need to protect the retarded ones as well.
Palmar I apologise for earlier - we might yet get lylo tomorrow..
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On July 26 2011 00:15 syllogism wrote:
Newsflash to vigs: days have 48 hours and even if you are somehow a compulsive day vig, there is no reason to shoot early and when there has been little to no discussion about the target
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THIS
p.s. Why syllogism? I'd probably have picked tautology...
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Suspects:
Kitaman
Jackal
heist
sandroba
YM (dead)
If Jackal is mafia this is an EXTREME wifom... But if Kita is mafia this is stupid too. It has to be a stupid shot whether or not we did it or maf did it..
Did YM mention who he was going to check tonight?
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On July 26 2011 00:27 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:23 Tackster wrote:On July 26 2011 00:15 syllogism wrote:
Newsflash to vigs: days have 48 hours and even if you are somehow a compulsive day vig, there is no reason to shoot early and when there has been little to no discussion about the target ^ | | | THISp.s. Why syllogism? I'd probably have picked tautology... Hey, no need to make fun of my English. It's a bad habit when writing online and in a hurry
I wasn't making fun of you - i meant i'd pick tautology to describe ME
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On July 26 2011 00:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 26 2011 00:17 Palmar wrote:
Why not shoot jackal... You want to risk a night vigi when there could be a chance of a mafia medic? I was talking about just now, I specifically asked he be day-vigged, so I have no idea why someone thought shooting ym was a better idea.
*ominous thunder*
What if the shot was.... PENALISED!!!!!!
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