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On July 27 2011 21:33 Kurumi wrote:
Lanaia if I die Your role is revealed.
Just saying.
And You, my sleeping bodyguard who-left-us-for-day-woke-up-during-the-night
better get lucky and roll 1+3+2 ok?
and give them 1+1 setting please.
Okay, I don't fully understand.
But I'm assuming you know I misread my role PM, at least this is what "And You, my sleeping bodyguard who-left-us-for-day-woke-up-during-the-night" feels like to me. I mean, in a way.
But okay. I'm okay with this.
OH! Unless you are talking about someone else in the second half of this post... If you are, you should let me know.
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On July 28 2011 02:04 redFF wrote:
I started tlpdizing my posts because it was fun and i never new you could just press the tlpd button and it would find player names in your post! I stopped now obviously, the nolvelty has worn off.
This post was wholly unnecessary. I mean, seriously, red? What in the hell was going through your mind when you posted this? "Oh I need to increase my post count."?
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On July 28 2011 06:28 Varpulis wrote:
Lanaia who did you target yesterday, and what do they think is going to happen?
Day vig's please claim and let us discuss instead of shooting on a whim.
Damn, I thought the cycle changed at a totally different time. good to know.
Palmar how do you know that Mig shot Jackal?
I'm very sorry, but Red thought he was going to live forever or something to that effect.
He felt incredibly not-town to me. :/
I really didn't think that one of HP and Voldy would be scum. That's the only reason I'd defended Jackal.
Sorry I was away for the daypost and all that.
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Uh, so how many people have activated their penalties now?
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On July 28 2011 07:31 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think were at 3 me dropbear and drazerk
Varpulis said he's got one as well.
So at least four.
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On July 28 2011 07:36 sandroba wrote:
@Lanaia Is that correct? Why exactly did you shot redFF?
Yes, it's correct. And I did it because he was giving me scumvibes and just felt as though he wasn't town. Obviously, in retrospect it was not the best idea.
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On July 28 2011 07:41 sandroba wrote:
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You shot someone on flimsy evidence? Great. Are you compulsive?
No, I'm not, but I had a really strong feeling.
Sorry. x.x
It won't happen again.
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Part of it was that I'd initially misread my role PM until after I'd sent in my action. I mean, now I fully understand it, but... Sorry.
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I do like my role, though. Thank you for not giving me something that sucks! 
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In response to Kita...
Just because I didn't explicitly state that I thought red was probably scum doesn't mean it was out of nowhere and that I hadn't thought it.
I felt Drazerk was not a good kill.
I'd submitted my kill by the time I'd ever mentioned Drazerk anyways.
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On July 29 2011 02:17 sandroba wrote:
Can we concentrate on one person at a time? For now I sugest we keep our targets limited to foolishness and chaos13.
I really don't think foolishness is scum. He feels a lot like BC to me and as such, I don't think he is scum. If I had to, I'd consider voting chaos13, but I'm definitely not sure of his alignment and I'm not sure I personally can read him.
I know I have lurked a little, but I'm not trying to. I know there are people in the game who have posted significantly less than I have.
On July 28 2011 23:47 sandroba wrote:
I really think we should ignore the penalties and claim whoever we made the roles for. This creates acountability and will make it easier to identify mafia acording to the actions so far. Is everyone in favor of this?
I don't know if I'm in favour of it, but part of me thinks it could help a bit. I think we could find scum in a way, this way.
I'm going to reread today and see if it's viable for me to risk penalty to say what's on my mind right now. Of course, I could be completely wrong.
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On July 29 2011 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@lanaia WTF? BC argued with the whole thread, while foolishness only sat on the side lines observing we mislynch. How can you compare both, when they were complete oposites?
They felt the same to me. I can't explain it, but they really did feel similarly to me.
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At the very least, their style kept causing me to mix them up. I mean, obviously I don't have the best reads, but I did get the two of them confused.
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On July 29 2011 03:07 sandroba wrote:
Do you even care who we lynch today?
To whom were you addressing this? I have a hard time following you due to your manner of speaking without always being clear who you are addressing.
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On July 29 2011 03:31 sandroba wrote:
That was directed at you.
Of course I care who we lynch. There's no reason for me not to care.
It's just, everyone else seems to think people are scum and I don't think those people are scum. x.x
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I don't entirely blame nisani for misreading Sandroba's comments. It can be fairly difficult to tell who he is speaking to.
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On July 29 2011 07:14 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:On July 29 2011 03:31 sandroba wrote:
That was directed at you. Of course I care who we lynch. There's no reason for me not to care. It's just, everyone else seems to think people are scum and I don't think those people are scum. x.x So then who do you think is scum?
At this moment, I'm not sure anymore. I'm rereading to try and find something, but I'm having trouble finding anything at this moment.
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However, I wish bum would talk more. He's posted literally six times since he replaced in. This doesn't entirely feel townbum to me.
On July 28 2011 06:12 Kurumi wrote:
I request a day vig hit on Amber[LighT].
Voting Lanaia
I don't understand why Kurumi voted me so quickly into the day. It confuses me. :/ I don't think he's scum, but I don't comprehend the reasoning.
On July 28 2011 18:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 13:21 Lanaia wrote:
In response to Kita...
Just because I didn't explicitly state that I thought red was probably scum doesn't mean it was out of nowhere and that I hadn't thought it.
I felt Drazerk was not a good kill.
I'd submitted my kill by the time I'd ever mentioned Drazerk anyways. I don't believe you. [/b]
I missed this. I submit my kill during the day. However, it doesn't occur until the following night. Do you still not believe me?
I feel kita is scum at this point (after rereading) but I'm not entirely sure why. Admittedly, I haven't contributed too much myself. His last five posts lack anything significant in regards to the game other than a commentary on what had happened at night.
Again, this is my first time playing with most of these people so I apologize that many of my reads have been off thus far.
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Dammit guys.
I come back, read what's happened and I don't know what to think. Between Curu revealing what he did and chaos suggesting what he did... I've realized my reads have not been as accurate as they had been.
On July 30 2011 00:57 Curu wrote:So Foolishness is apparently a really good player right. His day 1 contribution consisted of randomly offered lynch targets with no desire to push or analyze any of them. Two of these have flipped Town already: Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 20:34 Foolishness wrote:On  July 26 2011 20:16 bumatlarge wrote:I haven't read a word, someone update me? I'll try to read through this later today. Wiggles is a serial Killer, Lanaia and RedFF are good lynches but are sadly not going to get lynched. People are incapable of stepping into another persons' shoes (particularly BC's shoes) and seeing things from a different perspective. This leads to foolproof logic arguments of "you don't agree with me? you must be mafia!" which reminds me that if I don't believe in another persons' religion I'm automatically going to hell. If he was actively Pro Town and those were his reads, he would be pushing for one of them to be lynched instead of appearing to contribute without actually contributing. Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 15:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 25 2011 15:02 Curu wrote:Dec stated people who failed to create roles were going to be modkilled though. And, judging from my own role, people who made up roles in five minutes are not all that uncommon  . I don't see what Wiggles's issue is, can you clarify that for me Wiggles? What I said about the Hallows makes sense IMO since pure randomization really defeats the purpose of having the Hallows game sine you'd ensure they'd never be given away if they randomized into the hands of Mafia or malicious 3rd Party. Win conditions are surely not made up by the players themselves so I don't think dec would have put in an extra win condition for Voldy then made it a redundant one. @Foolishness It's already generating discussion. What behavior do we have to go off of atm? @Tackster I didn't say a thing about Jackal's claim being well founded. Can you point out to me where I ever said Jackal's claim is legit and I don't want to lynch him? All I said was I think he's 3rd Party rather than Mafia but that makes a good lynch too. And did you even bother to read OriginalName's role PM? He chooses people to Mason that changes each day, he doesn't start the game Masoned with a set someone. I don't see anyone making any arguments against Jackal based on his behavior thus far. I read through his posts and frankly there's nothing indicating that he needs to hang from the noose. I am not convinced that a mafia would roleclaim straight up on day 1, that's just an lol newbie move. Of course his responses tomorrow will greatly help us, but lynching him off of flavor text is like lynching off of day 1 clues. It never works, and inactives sit and mafia twiddle their thumbs. I decided to  Start counting the number of posts where kitaman asks a question. I gave up because I was starting to run out of fingers. It would be nice to see him make a post longer than 2 lines. Soft defense of Jackal. He didn't think BC was a good lynch but did nothing to try to stop the wagon. Taking a stand to save one of the more experienced and renowned players is the natural reaction from a Pro Town player that thinks BC is Town, but he was content to stay on the sidelines and post random stuff. Also his vote conveniently fell on a player that had no other votes rather than Jackal; he was content with the mislynch but didn't want to be a part of it, and also didn't want to vote Jackal in case the wagon managed to derail. Since then his contribution has consisted of nothing but walls of text defending himself and a FoS/vote onto Nisani. Nisani is the EASIEST target to attack in the world as either Town OR Mafia, and I can't believe Foolishness's contribution is a throwaway analysis/vote like that. Now sandroba, the information I said I could give: I was the Role Thief. I could steal someone's role, and I stole Foolishness's. His post restriction is complete and utter BS, there was no restriction. What's the motivation behind it? Likely so he could draw out his role creator to snipe him. That or derail the Town into discussing it. Either way it's not real. He doesn't have a history of purposeful trolling like Kurumi does. He also has not publicly claimed his role was stolen and I have no idea why a Town player would withhold that information. But I can see a reason Mafia would: he's the Godfather. My theory is that he made his role description the same as the power he originally held WITH the added caveat of a post restriction and a Townie alignment. But now he can't claim his power was stolen, because any role check on him would reveal that he still had his old role and out him as the Godfather. One final bit of evidence, Mafia clearly tried to snipe active/vet players last night. Wiggles, Mig, and likely Amber (based on Wiggles's role and him being double stacked) were the hits last night. redFF was Lanaia's Vig shot. Why not Foolishness? If what I've heard is correct, he's senior to all of them. ##Unvote
##Vote: Foolishness
I like this theory. Now, if what you say is true, there is no reason for him to be town. Town has no reason to lie. Then, I suppose I was very wrong. Very wrong indeed.
On July 29 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote:
I also still feel that we haven't pulled ourselves together enough. I'm still seeing a lot of random accusations that don't really have much force behind them. Yes, I'm aware that's what my post on Foolishness is like, but there have been enough people explaining why he is scummy that it would not do any good for me to repeat them again.
So here is how all accusations must be made in the future, in order to make things clear and understandable.
Player Name
Verdict:
Explanation and evidence. Quotes must be used here.
Player Name is mafia/town.
##Vote: Player Name
This will allow everyone to clearly see and understand what you are saying. This will provide us with stronger analysis and stronger reference after players flip. Of course this will only apply to the original accusation. If you're supporting someone else's, say so, but there is no need to go through this again.
I don't like this. I really don't like this. This idea is not necessarily pro-town, but appears to be trying to look pro-town. I get the feeling it doesn't work.
His vote on Foolishness also set a couple of alarm bells off. But ugh...
Now they're both so scummy and I didn't think either of them were scum before.
I know this change will probably cause people to cry out that I am also scum, but that's not the case.
My vote is going on Foolishness.
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Goddammit.
Why am I so stupid.
Seriously.
Up until it was revealed he lied, I'd thought he was town.
On July 30 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 04:30 Palmar wrote:
Kurumi, why do you want to die early?
Your role becomes so much stronger later in the game when most people have claimed their roles, and you can catch them lying. 1) To kick role-maker's ass. 2) To punch role-maker in the face 3) To date Lanaia 4) It might not work now. Anyway, I am neither vet or good player. They wouldn't shoot me unless I had good role.
It bothers me a little that he keeps saying stuff about dating me. :/
Is it possible for you to update the list of people who are dead? I keep trying to refer to it and then realize "oh this person's dead."
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