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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:03 GMT
#581
I'm actually laughing IRL Mataza.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:08 GMT
#583
Haha yes, of course we're killing him, but that passionate speech about freedom...

I love it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:23 GMT
#590
is mataza soft-claiming that his nuke is either a dud or something completely different?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:46 GMT
#604
Conspirator is the reason we're lynching and not nuking Mataza.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#608
Let me explain this.

We kill Mataza, there is no deterrence in a policy if people don't follow the policy. This has the nasty side-effect of clogging our lynch today, but we just have to deal with it. Generally mafia games seem to be balance in such a way that the town can mislynch approximately as often as there are mafia in the game. For example in a 12 player setup with 3 mafia, there town loses if they mislynch 3 times and wins if they lynch correctly 3 times. Obviously every lynch changes, this, but best case and worst case are generally like this.

Why am I talking about this? Because it has a direct influence on our situation. We have a conspirator in the game that likes radiation (Hi Sandroba). Even if (and I'm not even sure it is) the Mataza lynch is a mislynch, we can always make up for that with a nuke on day 4. The difference is that the longer we wait with nuking, the more accurate the nukes become. Sending a nuke after a possible townie is even worse than lynching one.

It's a shitty situation, ideally we wouldn't have to kill Mataza because he didn't decide to troll the game, but it's one we have to deal with. The sensible thing is to do just that and then resume on day 2.

Chaos13 called me out for creating town order, well I think I've been doing just that. While people like Syllo and Sandroba are tunneling me, the best thing I can do is to make sure they don't lynch me, while keeping the discussion alive. I don't have the same kind of time available in this game as in RTM, so don't expect me to spam as much, although I am always quite active.

We cannot achieve town order if we so blatantly go back on our policies. I will not be pushing an alternative lynch today because if Mataza gets away with it, I think we're about to turn this game into armageddon.

I will start pushing for another lynch as soon as day breaks.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 15:59 GMT
#609
On July 07 2011 00:56 syllogism wrote:
Doesn's day end in like 10 minutes?


I think the day gets extended for the duration of the nuke flight, not sure though.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 16:38 GMT
#620
On July 07 2011 01:14 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 01:08 Ciryandor wrote:
On July 06 2011 22:29 Drazerk wrote:
I thank caller for being a shining inspiration for this post.

Right then, Mataza has the noose already around his neck so lets see what my current FoS Ciryandor has done this game.

Well actually he has typed Four posts in total and made a stealth vote proving that he is Active lurking.

First post -

On July 05 2011 15:27 Ciryandor wrote:
Honestly, I'd be very wary of anyone who's trigger-happy right now. And PLEASE FFS, don't throw nukes unless you want multi-kills on some people.


At this point we had no real policy in check and we needed to keep the trigger happy players in their place some how. Yet he seems to state we should use Nukes for multi kills which I Don't like if we want to kill we will lynch Cir seems intent on nuking people to raise the radiation level higher.

After Palmar / GM make their policies clear to one another he pops up again for a bit longer of a post


On July 05 2011 23:36 Ciryandor wrote:
It's quite nice to read as I catch up that everyone has thought it is a good idea to do a no-nuke unless absolutely necessary AND agreed upon by town as its policy, to stifle the chances of the Conspirator winning as the town tries to take out the Mafia. While right now, I do agree with Palmar's invocation that we should keep independent thought on our targets, at the end of the day, one has to show WHY it would be a good idea to nuke someone, then as the person who proposed it, take the shot themselves if they have a nuke at hand. Could someone update me on how long there is time left before the deadline?


He seems to have shifted his stances from, Nuking to kill multiple targets to Nuking only when the town agrees pretty much mimicking the policies already stated trying to blend in without adding anything of value himself.

Now here is his first and only contribution this game.


On July 06 2011 11:38 Ciryandor wrote:
##Vote: Zona

He's supposed to be bloody active in the forums, though I'm not sure now that BW PL regular season is already over; so I'm wondering where he could be. In the same vein, why is Eiii's only recent comment not very relevant to the game? Is he lurking as well?

##Vote: Dunkirk Operation

It gives us more return to do this, we're assured of extra lives for Brit Townies unlike the ambiguity of "Up to 3 nukes" of Gunnerside (which implies anything from 1-3; and may even involve a scum counter-op to reduce the number), and Watchtower just stops everything (but if people start voting that way it just slows down the nuke-throwing people are going to do by a day, no more, no less.

And I don't want anyone to nuke anyone just yet, it's unwarranted to be throwing the septic tank around in the air just yet. Maybe target proposals for the next day, but no more than that.


I think at this time we had already stated that Dunkirk is the most logical one to pick and it was pretty much set in stone at this stage.

As for Zona, Yes he hasn't posted yet but nor has Ciryandor when you really look at things, He just wanted to try and stir some activity up to point at later when people will suspect him.

He claims people are lurking but I have seen no one more actively lurk than he does esspecially when we take into consideration the Ninja vote he did earlier


On July 06 2011 21:03 Ciryandor wrote:
##Unvote Zona
##Vote Mataza


What I am suggesting - We lynch Mataza as planned and then we move onto Ciryandor as he is a conspirator

I'll answer all your accusations one by one:

First, this is MY FIRST GAME, so if I'm not going to be as contributory as you should think a townie would be, then you have my complete naiveté with regards to TL Mafia's meta to thank for. This makes me emphasize having the voice of reason and economy of speech so townies can think straight and not be emotionally swayed.

Next, I specifically said that we shouldn't be throwing around nukes, unless we want multiple people to die on the same day because I don't want the Conspirator getting any more rad points than we can spare, i.e. conservation of firepower versus scum so we don't hit his win condition when we've got them all lined up because of their actions.

Once again, I emphasize in shorter form for everyone why one option is better than another. Not everyone can dig out the core of people's arguments for or against certain actions quickly, I try to provide some clarity instead of leaving them in the dark.

As for the vote, I voted without leaving a reasoning behind because it's self evident that if we want to implement the no nukes rule that the town has agreed upon. So if it happens that we agree on launching a nuke at Mataza for his irresponsibility, and have someone else lynched, I am willing to volunteer my nuking services to protect the town.

dont you think nuking is better, since thats the only way to get a proper lynch? Mafia will try to stay out of the spotlight as much as possible so if we force them to do a meaningful vote we get some good slips. for example skim through XL where the votes were basicly lists of mafia members if you combined them, now in this situation the votes will give just a list of townies, with mafia blend in.


No, not really, as I see it we have two bad options.

a) follow town policy at the cost of a possible bad lynch. It will take us a correct lynch to recover

b) break town policy at the cost of radiation and the policy itself. I'm not quite sure what it will take us to recover

Towns have recovered from bad day 1 lynches, the nuclear holocaust that could (or could not) happen with option b seems like the worse alternative.

I'm not even sure Mataza is town, as nuking without reason is so anti-town that I can hardly believe anyone trying to play to their win condition would do it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 16:46 GMT
#630
...
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 16:54 GMT
#645
goddamnit YM
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 16:55 GMT
#646
here's a pic I drew you about YM's performance in this game.

[image loading]
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 17:35 GMT
#683
On July 07 2011 02:33 youngminii wrote:
okay mataza

if you nuke anyone, i WILL intercept it
however, that is forcing me to waste a valuable resource that is priceless for town

hence, if you do nuke, you are undoubtedly going against your win condition as a townie

Show nested quote +
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.


unless you're the scum and not him
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 17:37 GMT
#686
On July 07 2011 02:36 youngminii wrote:
ask me anything
i'm being as transparent as i can

who is scum, and why?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 17:40 GMT
#689
On July 07 2011 02:39 JeeJee wrote:
The fact that minii anti-nuked sandroba I think is a little bit odd. Think about what happened in WaW1, the only nukes that were shot down were aimed at mafia members (and I believe a mason). Why?

If you're a townie, you don't know anything about anyone, and if you have any anti-nukes, they're in very limited supply. Why would you use them to save someone that you don't know is townie, when instead you can use them as self-defence, on someone you know is townie (yourself). Obviously mafia and masons can (and did) do so, because they know that they're saving a teammate.

Just a thought...


Someone who already randomly claimed out of nowhere information about the mafia KP that isn't in the OP.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 17:44 GMT
#694
On July 07 2011 02:42 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
he bases everything on WaW1 which is a pretty good source i would say, also that is some pretty important information. However i think YM is being pro town with his nuking/ antiing. Sandy is obv no scum and the nuke was very uncalled for. it Had to be antied imo


How the hell is sandroba obviously pro-town, to the point it warrants a save?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 17:55 GMT
#700
We are trying to use his plan, but half the town seems unable to follow it. That includes you.

At this point I'm ready to lynch YM or Sandroba.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 18:02 GMT
#710
bonus points for Lemmy
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 18:19 GMT
#750
We're about to find out where you stand GM

I don't trust YM one bit, no one has such a fucking foolproof town-read on day 1 that he wastes such an important resource on it, and I also think he's far less useful scum-hunting than his usual town play.

But to be honest, GM flipping isn't a bad thing, he made a terrible plan at the start of the game, and hasn't contributed or scumhunted since.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 18:26 GMT
#767
On July 07 2011 03:21 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 03:19 Palmar wrote:
We're about to find out where you stand GM

I don't trust YM one bit, no one has such a fucking foolproof town-read on day 1 that he wastes such an important resource on it, and I also think he's far less useful scum-hunting than his usual town play.

But to be honest, GM flipping isn't a bad thing, he made a terrible plan at the start of the game, and hasn't contributed or scumhunted since.

when did i say i thought sandroba was 100% town
i'm curious, is that why you think i'm scum?


yes, you saved Sandroba.

Sandroba who scumslipped the mafia 1kp thing. It may have just been a mistake, but he's been on my watchlist ever since. Also he keeps fucking repeating how obviously pro-town he is when he is far from being confirmed town.

Then he derps some "HUGE analysis" which is worth about as much as my butt, and is all just random meta and based on the fact that I disagreed with his plan.

Then he breaks his own fucking plan.

Seriously, this is just retarded, I wish you had let that nuke land.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 18:39 GMT
#782
He's france btw, not america.

And for some reason he keeps linking German music with it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 06 2011 18:41 GMT
#786
On July 07 2011 03:39 youngminii wrote:
as an australian i don't understand


It's fine, keep shooting down missiles aimed at scum.
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