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Guys, wow. I've literally never awoken to find this many votes on a totally different target than before (let alone the other target being ME). Holy piss. Yes, I've promised contribution. I've been rereading and rereading and rereading again. The result is not-so-surprising. Instead of defending myself (I have excuses, none of them good), I'm going to share my thoughts with the town as a whole. Give me a few minutes to get everything together, but now that the pressure is on, you can believe me this time. :D
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The Case of Drazerk
First of all, I'd like to officially apologize for my absenteeness. I can only imagine what you must think (luckily I don't have to, because your votes speak volumes).
I'd like to preface my case with the following general observations:
1)GM has disappeared since suspicion has started to fall on him.
2)Town has like 7 lynch candidates right now. Drazerk and myself are the strongest, but it is MUCH better for town if we consolidate our votes onto one or two targets. Anyone who hasn't should vote for either Drazerk or myself, regardless of who else you think is scummy. There's time to get to YOUR suspicion later on, I promise.
3)Events occur in real time. TAA's death was jarring, but such is the nature of this game.
Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to the case.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote:
Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread.
@Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it.
As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP.
It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up
In this post, Drazerk takes the 'townie' road of soft-defending GM because, as usual, GM is posting in a wholly pro-town manner. Goes ahead and makes his opinion irrelevent however, because he then says that GM COULD be scum. As if rereading the thread will just MAKE it so. Amazing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 14:26 DropBear wrote:
2. On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute. This little exchange confuses me. Why was it necessary to do this? Scumbuddies I wonder, trying to keep each other from being lurker targets? This early matey stuff reminds me of Irish_Punk13 in XXXIX. We all know what alignment he ended up flipping. Voting Edward the 1st.
This post appears to be Drazerk attacking 2 newer players for their "contentless posts"...a theme that runs RAMPANT on TL forums. The difference in this game is that when this statement was made, Draz had done VERY little in the way of providing any kind of content himself. Also interesting to note, at the tiem of this post, LSB had JUST died...and Drazerk doesn't mention it at all. Sounds like someone wasn't surprised.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.
It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.
But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.
Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game )
This post seems scummy to me...as not only excited about someone starting a bandwagon, he's also introducing multiple targets to the lynch. Anti-town.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum.
Well that one is unexpected -
Go on scan me i have nothing to hide
This read is questionable, I'll admit: I feel like anyone SUBMITTING to DT checks because they have "nothing to hide" is scummy to me. It seems if he were town, he would encourage a DT to look ELSEWHERE as a DT check on him would be wasted. I may be wrong here, but this seems super-scummy to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:16 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:15 Vain wrote:So, wait a minute, lets look at this for a moment. On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) And then goes to vote: On June 28 2011 22:25 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sinani206 So, first he states one guy is scum and then he's like: "oh nvm that ill vote for the OTHER GUY" wat I stated i was suspicious of both of them but 201 over 206 - if your all going to vote for someone it is best to consolidate votes preventing a mafia lynch swing
So Vain calls out Drazerk for his hypocricy, and NOW Drazerk decides it's best to consolidate targets. Interesting.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything. On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though. Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote? You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that . Also you are playing so defensive On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.
what was that post about, who is accusing you?
FoS list
hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk
YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance.
Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes.
Discussion derailed.
As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia,
But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched
Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia? How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.
What's important to note about this post is the martyring bit. Note he not only references a previous game to encourage people to meta him, he references Martyring himself the way he does later in the thread. This leads me to believe that his martyrdom was not only premeditated, but also scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 02:55 Drazerk wrote:Right I am going to come out and change my mind, While looking through Hiro's posts I reread the entire thread and I no longer believe that GMarshal is scum, If this puts me in the firing line so be it. We shall start at the beginning then. Pretty much as soon as the game begins He starts his campaign against lurkers. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 11:54 GMarshal wrote:Lets get this show on the road then. Activity is not going to create itself, and we need to make sure we have a working game. Basically allow me to start with this little tidbit. Lurkers, this is your first and final warning. I will *not* allow you to lurk. If you aren't going to be active you are *very* quickly not going to be alive anymore. Consider it my... promise... to you. gtrsrs. Hi. Pull shit like you did in SNMMIV, where you essentially sabotaged the town by creating a horrible day 1 atmosphere and I will absolutely *relish* your death. I don't want to kill you, but if you threaten this towns chances at victory I will. Players who want to be trolls. Same applies to you, I will not allow it, period, not happening, not on my watch. We will win this, we will kill scum, and no one is going to keep that from happening as long as I have the power to impede it. Any questions? This is actually a pretty common tactic to spark discussion at the start of a game and is normally considered pro town in my experience. Preventing lurkers is nothing bad It just limits the number of options the Mafia has to escape lynching. His next major post is pointing out a fatal mistake of 201 On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.
From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic. This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out. The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town. Why would he attack 201 about this if he was mafia? He would of just PM'd all of his mafia buddies and then worked on getting Chaos lynched / Killed After this Marshal starts to work on creating a Pro Town atmosphere along with 206 On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^
To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say.
Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them.
Any other questions? Once again mentioning lurkers to spark discussion while pointing to the Townie guides to try and help the newer players. Why would he give them help them and try to promote one of the easiest methods to scum hunt in. We also had him supporting the LSB mechanic abusing strategy which could of sparked the end of mafia pretty easily has RoL allowed it. One of the most important facts to consider in his pro town behavior. Finally I am going to bring up the List. While many people simply dismissed it as unimportant i Believe that it will be Crucial late game at working out which surviving "Veteran" players are still standing. And why. The Game will have these few veteran mafia alive at the end and we will come to need this list to hunt them down once we have lost our town veterans. Also not to mention every mafia would HATE being on the Vet list causing them to subtly attack GMarshal getting him lynched early enough to see them into the late game without anyone bringing it up again. On June 28 2011 13:53 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 13:30 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first. Why? What goal is this list trying to achieve? What use do you intend to put it to? I mean if you give me a good justification I don't mind doing it, but it needs to have a purpose that helps the town, rather than cluttering space ^_^ If 5/7 of the experienced veteran players are dead by day 3/4 and the new or intermediate players are starting to die instead, it's a good indication you've got mafia and should really start examining those player's posts. It's a tool I use in every game that is generally quite effective. Normally I would just make one and keep it to myself, but I don't know a lot of the names here or the meta that goes along with me, so I would appreciate some input from someone who does  A list for you then. Its split into three levels. People I know to be experienced or good, people who are not quite vets, but have played before and know what they are doing and people who are new/have few games that showcase good play. Vets3. GMarshal (Hi!) 10. youngminii (long time player, usually very aggressive) 15. Jackal58 (endgame player, you are familiar with him, for those not familiar with him, in my experience he is not the best day1-2 player, but really excels when we hit day 5-6) 19. sandroba (read Sleeper Cell if you need a good reason why he is on here) 23. Palmar (In particular his scum play in SNMMII) 25. ~OpZ~ (oldtimer as well, I'm not aware of what his last notable game, because it predates me. I also lack meta on him) 26. LSB (A decent player, as town or scum he comes up with decent plans and tries to lead the town. Prone to powerplays as scum) 27. Mr. Wiggles (another excellent player, he makes very compelling organized posts, but often comes off as scummy even when town since he tends to rehash a lot of what people have said. He plays a better than average game as scum, see his win with Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2) Mid-tier players 1. DropBear - played some really solid games and is a strong player overall. He has no showings of singlehandedly dominating however, he may be misplaced here and be a candidate for Vet status. 2. sinani206 - played a couple games, not awful, but lacking a solid game to make a judgment of off 5. Cthsazsa - active contributing newbie, a little too trusting and willing to take people at their word. Much potential, interested to see where he goes. (Oh and I keep accidentally thinking he is a girl. Sorry -__-) 7. Kenpachi - likes to lurk, is good with a gun, but I have yet to see him play a game where he takes a solid leadership position 8. Lanaia - only seen her play in Insane Mafia 2 where she had a decent showing. Caught on to Kav's BS when the rest of the town missed it. She is really experienced on IRC mafia. 12. hiro protagonist - played a couple of games, did decently, I lack meta on him, as I don't think I've been in a game with him before. 13. Mig -same deal as hiro, no meta from me, played a few games. 14. Rean - Played more than hiro and mig, has a tendency to lurk (if PTP is a basis to judge on). Makes good calls in confusing situations 17. chaos13 - played a bunch here and away from here, but I lack meta on him 18. Eiii - experienced player who both lacks self confidence and has a tendency to lurk hardcore. 22. VisceraEyes -as hiro. Played a few games, nothing spectacular IIRC 24. Vain - as VE. 30. Varpulis - had a couple solid games, nothing massive, but solid. Hates lurkers, so a man after my own heart new players (no meta on these, obviously) 4. gtrsrs 6. aprudds 9. Torqez 11. Hyaach 16. TheAwesomeAll 20. Navillus 21. Sinani201 28. syllogism 29. Drazerk Again, my limited meta knowledge on these players and relative rankings. Please no one take offense as these are IMO. This is where we finish discussing vet lists. The won't give anymore useful information and will allow others to fake contribute with useless lists. I posted this by request and it should NOT be considered a contribution, as scum can do this as easily as town.Again, no more vet lists I no longer believe he is mafia and has displayed mainly Pro Town enthusiasm throughout the game, Lynching him would be a mistake when we have more scummy players lurking around.
This is his defending GM post. In all honesty, it's a pretty fair and honest assessment of GM. The only post like this you'll see from Draz.
He takes some flack following this post because he was supposedly researching Hiro when he came to this conclusion. What's strange about that is that he did NOT form an opinion on Hiro. His next post concerning hiro is...
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 04:11 Drazerk wrote:
Ok Im going to flush out the hiding Hiro for now - He's not got any case against him and we need him to speak up more
But don't worry 206 I will not forget about you
What does this even mean? Does he give an opinion at all at this point? It reads like he thinks he's suspicious, but then calls him out to speak up more, indicating that he does NOT suspect him, and only wants his opinion. Cornfusing?
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:46 Drazerk wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice.
syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you.
Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3
If you look at my style of playing town I generally don't focus on the Main FoS as that is when mafia tend to pop out and make mistakes.
This time i had no opinion on Gm either way and I wanted to show some light on two scummy targets
Another patently confusing post from Drazerk. This time he says he has no opinion on GM, in spite of defending GM in a HUGE post earlier in the thread.
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote:
Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect.
When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain )
I'm off to bed
Here's his "martyr" post he referenced earlier...cementing my scum read on him. He then attempts to tie himself to GM in a very clear and not-so-subtle way...by outright claiming such.
At this point, Draz goes into lurk mode and doesn't post anymore.
So in summary:
Draz tried to introduce several targets into the lynch docket, based on nothing. He backs off of actions that others call out as scummy, and makes horribly timed and terribly executed scum-moves to incriminate others. It is my hypothesis that Draz is tanking, and he attempted to tie himself to GM, so that when he flips red, GM will look bad.
##Vote: Drazerk
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omigod someone else died as I was typing that. X( SCUUUUUUUUMM!!!!!!
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While I'm not in the business of defending myself TYPICALLY, I will say that I was replaced into CCM, which Palmar will most assuredly confirm, has been taking up A LOT of my focus. As I said, it's not a good excuse and is entirely my fault...but it is what it is. Those guys are beast (excluding Palmar  )
The case on Draz was in my own words and done in isolation from others' posts. If it falls in line with others' points against Draz, maybe consider that there's a reason for that. Use your head.
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Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same.
*sigh*
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Okay guys, I'm back. I've read through the thread and I've got to say, I'm pretty disappointed in the strength of the wagon against me.
First of all, my read on Drazerk stands...I don't care if you think I'm parroting other peoples' reads. I know that my reasons are valid, and I'm not going to try and say that others didn't say them first. Not only would that be a blatant lie, but in my opinion it doesn't matter one way or the other. What would you prefer I say "Oh, I agree with him." and leave it at that? I don't think so. Not only would you guys think that's EVEN MORE scummy, but that's not fun for me either. Part of the fun for me is making the case.
Secondly, Palmar appears to be pushing my lynch based on A) my inactivity in this game and B) my lack of tunneling him incessantly. The inactivity bit I can understand - my meta shows that I'm far more active as town than this game shows. But come on Palmar. You think I'm scummy when I tunnel you. You think I'm scummy when I don't. You like to say that part of my meta is that I tunnel you, but you know what this reeks of? YOU tunneling ME. You did it in PTP, you did it in CCM, you're doing it this game. I don't recall tunneling you in PTP. You know why? Because in PTP I didn't find you all-together scummy. Know why I'm not tunneling you this game? Because I don't find you all-together scummy. Get with the program sir.
Now, I stand by my vote on Drazrek. Nothing I've read has EVEN REMOTELY made him appear less scummy. Now he's tunneling the 206...for what? Wishywashiness? For being new at the game, something he should be well acquainted with himself? Give me a break, this guy is as scummy as they come.
I can't apologize enough for my inactivity...as I stated before, CCM was really kicking my ass last night, and now I'm risking getting fired to share this post with you fine people today. Don't lynch me. Lynch Drazrek. He's by far scummier than I am, and I'm willing to make a promise that if you spare me today, I WILL get back into this game and give it the attention it deserves.
Palmar, give a bro a chance, bro. ##Fistpound?
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@GM
206 is playing pretty standard to his meta...any game I've seen him as town in, he claims having a hard time coming up with stuff to post, when he does, it typically parrots others' analysis and isn't EVER a strong stance one way or the other.
Drazerk I have no meta on, aside from his game in SNMMIV. He DID martyr in that game, but I notice that he didn't bring attention to the fact that it's one of his "strategies" in that game. I think him bringing up his OWN meta in an attempt to verify his town status REEKS of scum, and it should to everyone else too. Meta is only useful if the person using it notices it on their own. It's absolutely useless if pointed out by the accused, as you then have to question whether or not there are ulterior motives behind it.
Drazerk's play can be described as.....erratic. That much is for sure. But I lean more toward scum in his case mainly because of the whole martyr thing. I did that once, I found it was a terrible idea and is WHOLLY detrimental to my team. I can honestly say that I'd NEVER play that way again. It's like saying 'Fine, if you don't believe me, I'll just sabotage your numbers so you have less of a chance to win'....hidden under the guise of 'so you can confirm me one way or the other'. It's wrong, I consider it cheating, and the fact that he's saying that he does it all the time makes me want to lynch him even if he's town.
Also, he attacked you...and you're one of the towniest townies that ever towned a town, imho. You might be a little gung-ho against inactives, but on this forum, that's just a happy byproduct of having played and hosted a TON of games where inactives LOST town the game.
So there, in a nutshell, why Drazerk over 206. I think 206 is newb-town and I think Draz is newb-scum.
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On June 30 2011 08:18 sandroba wrote:
Fuckballs, sinani's analysis on his alter ego is actually quite decent. O.O
I was literally JUST thinking that...and after I'd just said he never commits to a stance. -.-
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In light of 206 triumphant return, I will go back and reread 201's posts. I'm not really convinced, but since I'm catching flak for sticking to my guns against Drazerk, I'm willing to bend in the name of clearing my name.
Palmar, if you DARE say I'm scummy for doing so, so help me.....
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*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me.
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@E3
I waited to see if I could convince you, and we're now in the no-shoot-zone. I feel my reasoning is justified.
@Palmar
Why am I not surprised?
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I thought by test you meant let me hang anyway...my bad.
Can I get that ##Fistpound now?
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@GM
Oh, well that makes sense...if a DT weren't already dead. I wish I could guarantee you guys have another, but...you know...I can't.
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Ace's logic applies to D1 starts with Night kills...not a Real-Time setup with NO night-phase.
But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth.
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@Palmar
Well, maybe if you didn't PUSH me so hard in CCM....
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What, and give myself away? NEVER! lol
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And I'll totally submit to whomever you guys want me to check too. Whatever it takes...just KILL THAT SCUM!!!
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At the risk of sounding scummy, I agree with Sandroba...I think our best chance at this point is protecting me if we have a medic that hasn't sent in their protect. Providing Draz flips red, that is. Which I feel confident he will...unless he's Miller <.< >.>..........shit what if he's miller?!?!
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Nah, I stand by my analysis...if he were green, he wouldn't be playing the way he has been...
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