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On June 29 2011 03:18 chaos13 wrote:
I think the bandwagon on GMarshal is stupid and ridiculous. He has been more vocal and pro-town than anyone else in the game so far, and has clearly demonstrated that he is not afraid to be questioned, pressured, and is willing to share his thoughts and opinions. I would suggest DT roles go take a look if there are any players who subtly called him scummy and then let others pick up the bandwagon. Those are the people you should probably check today.
theAwesomeAll - You're doing a lot of weak FoS'ing and fingerpointing, but you are at least trying to come up with a case for each one. What I suggest you do is calm down a bit and really start analyzing those players and come up with a solid case, and for today just focus on one or two. However, you've shown that you are active and ready to share your thoughts, so I think you are most likely town.
youngminii - I'm still not comfortable with you. Yes, you improved your FoS' slightly, but they're still flying all over the place and still targeting seemingly random players. I would give you the same advice I suggested to theAwesomAll. Get more evidence before you accuse someone.
Sinani206 - Lots of fluff from you, little of substance. I would like to see more opinions from you on other players. All I can recall at the moment is discussion of lurkers/game mechanics and other safe topics.
Jackal58 - He isn't as active as usual, but I felt that his one post was very pro-town. At the point he made it we had fallen into a mess discussing lurkers when that topic had already been resolved at the beginning of the game, and he stopped this. As town he loves making angry posts about how dumb town is being, and they almost always serve to get discussion back on track.
One thing I feel needs to be mentioned: We have five different people with 1-2 votes each on them. This won't do us any good, since scum can support any one of those arguments and make a sly vote that won't put them in the spotlight. We need to keep our lynch candidates to a small number so that scum are pressured to make a decision.
a one man bandwagon? Ive been trying to get some discussion around him so hard, no succes, dont speak to me about a bandwagon.
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appruds is voting for me? please explain i would do anything to get some discussion in the right direction. (GM DRA PA and Hiro)
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shoot i did it again (more then 2 FoS) get parlam and hiro of that list plz
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He read the Hiro posts but got inspired and in a wave of passion he continued to read GMs posts falling in love instantly. It didnt really have anything to do with Hiro's posts -.-
lets take a look
On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz
Well... I posted the reasons why i believe hes scum just a little lower.
And yes he is contradicting himself in that analysis, including praising GM for pointing out fatal mistakes of 201, and he didnt attack 201. He warned him being the good leader of the town he his, he helped 201 being a better Mafia player.
His next major post is pointing out a fatal mistake of 201
On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote:
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This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out.
The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town.
Why would he attack 201 about this if he was mafia? He would of just PM'd all of his mafia buddies and then worked on getting Chaos lynched / Killed
He then made a list, and a post about pro town atmosphere. Drazerk doesnt seem to get that while all of this SEEMS protown doesnt mean it IS protown. While his later game actions might have been more protown, the quotes Draz used are definitely not.
Maybe someone should read the analysis i posted?
its pretty good,
+ Show Spoiler +turns out Drazerk is scum all along
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The case against sinani206 is so weak i tend to believe mafia intervened. DropBear started it, Drazerk jumped on it waiting to vote untill Pralam did and after that Jackal joined.
The main thing that still makes my case against GM strong is this:
Why would the mafia all of the sudden start a random bandwagon?
The discussion at that point was about 2 things.
Lurkers(sigh) and wether or not GM was red.
Unless the information getting posted about lurkers was Super Awesome i dont think the mafia would stick their neck out for that. Therefore if either GM or Drazerk flips red, the other one is red as well.
Thats why i have been begging to the blues to poke them.
If however it turns out they arent im clueless, Sinani wouldnt make sense, YM seems to not contribute to much, syllo maybe, aprudd hasnt really posted, but thats all guessing. So far GM-Drazerk have looked most scummy to me.
I kinda feel bad for GM his defense relies on Drazerk
On June 29 2011 01:35 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.
It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.
But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it?
From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at allWhy not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"
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On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early.
you have a good point there, so youre saying Drazerk isnt scum? It would be silly for Mafia to start a new discussion if there is no pressure. That means Drazerk isnt scum but just look at his posting. Also if GM is town it would be pretty stupid to attack me that hard on my first post, then disagreeing with himself two posts later and now completely agreeing with my first post.
Seems unlikely doesnt?
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On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip?
seems more like sarcasm, refering to the 'im town' if they are slipping it would probably WAY less obvious. Like they post some comment about something that can be misinterpreted and make really soft accusations so they wont be under suspicion when the poor guy flips green.
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Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice.
syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you.
Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3
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gtrsr, if you look at the context and the discussion that was around back then do you see any reason for the mafia to stick their neck out?
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On July 04 2011 20:48 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 20:43 GMarshal wrote:Apologies for playing a god awful game, RL really fucked me over. I give myself the LVP award  No No I get that one, I should of befriended you earlier when suspicion wasn't on me. Allowing the remaining mafia to actually build a good case against you.
you totally got me man, i need more experience ^^
Also GM you totally screwed yourself over, if you werent vet you were the day2 lynch proly
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On July 04 2011 23:13 syllogism wrote:
TAA was that one post a breadcrumb of some sort?
i spelled it out for you
I have strong scum vibes
dtcheck drazerk
thought i was making it too obvious lol
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well, i didnt want to die before the 6 hour mark, because then i could just claim and ask medic protection but i was probably pretty high on their list of targetst(which turned out true) so i had to breadcrump, while getting some scum cred ^^
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why did we play that good, i wonder. Like what magic did we do? GM town atmosphere?
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On July 05 2011 04:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 02:50 Palmar wrote:On July 05 2011 02:30 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
why did we play that good, i wonder. Like what magic did we do? GM town atmosphere? Combination of talented blue roles, hard working village, good town atmosphere and a fuckton of luck. ...Lmao...TAA, you owe me a beer for finding your bread crumb. And whoever quoted it/linked it..I think Palmar, idk, maybe jackal, cuz I wouldn't of seen it if it wasn't for that link to it in the thread.
i was following the thread while banging my head against the wall, didnt think anyone would pick up on the 'in case i die tonight' hinting it was a breadcrump, you are getting that beer 
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On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote:
Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread.
@Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it.
As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP.
It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up
after this post i dt checked Drazerk, i wish i was a vigi though i would probably shoot in the first hour of each day
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