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On July 04 2011 04:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:
You've been lurking. Hiro has been attempted bus by every mafia...Voting for him seems counter productive, ya dig? You, Hyaaach, Palmar, YoungMinii are my mafia suspect list. And RoL, if I die before my extra vig hit is an option -_-....
Yea that is fine. But I don't see how it is good play to lay down to die if I know I am town. If you want to push a case against me that is fine but I will defend myself.
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I am going to vote Eiii. He promised early game to post his opinions and thoughts more. He then proceeded to be on the lurker list day 1 and would have been on it day 2 if there had been one. Along with that he voted with wiggles yesterday on hiro. Db did a pbp analysis of him when we know Db likes to bus his teammates.
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On July 04 2011 05:58 gtrsrs wrote:
i voted Mig
cause i won't vote for E3 without evidence
STRONG EVIDENCE
What strong evidence is there against me?
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GGQ has said he would quit if he were mafia in the thread. If this goes against jackal's personal read of him combined with not changing his vote on wiggles despite being around, I would be fine switching to him if enough people would vote him.
This plan also makes me reconsider my opinion of jackal. Putting himself in the line of fire like this is a pretty big risk to take if he were mafia.
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The flaw with the plan is you are ignoring all the rest of the information we have this game to lynch 4 people for a pure meta reason. And if the plan fails then we would be down to like 8 people with no real new information.
Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work?
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It has been 48 hours. Flip shoulda been 30 min ago I believe.
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or 1.5 hours ago maybe not really sure
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Whatttt the voting is wrong opz unvoted. I shouldnt have died eiii should have.
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Aggsgshhsbes. With jackals plan I actually had a serious shot at winning. Fuck. That really fucking sucks.
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Yea that would have been fine GM would have gotten palmar lynched for sure. After palmar flipped town GM would be lynched or worst case I could rb and shoot him. Many people already wanted GGQ dead. I was shooting syllo and supersoft next so I would have hit a medic. And hyaach could have easily been lynched by opz. So if I had managed to shoot him I would have been left with like matsza, Cth and a bunch of lurkers. I also had done a ton of pro town things I could use to defend myself, call vig shot on VE, fight against jackals horrible plan, argue to try and confirm GM without bombing him (which most people ignored even tho it was really strong reasoning).
Obviously I was still a big big underdog but I did think I had a legitimate shot at winning even if it was small.
Anyway mistakes happen so oh well. Thanks for hosting RoL, Kurumi, node, radfield.
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You might have fought for the lurkers but pretty much guarantee jackal/GM/Palmar would all be focused on killing each other. The best thing about the spot I was in was the fact that all the active veterans wanted to kill each other. So I was going to kill supersoft since people thought he was checked by chaos and after that just kill the mid tier players while the vets fought amongst themselves.
Town all assumed you couldn't lose because you hypothetically had so many confirmed townies. But since I killed 201 and YM wasn't going to bomb GM opz was the only actual confirmed you had. Opz was going to be a huge problem because I was too afraid to shoot him because of medics. But if I had lucked into them dying coulda solved that.
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No I had no intention of sniping suspicious players. There was no way I was touching gm/jackal/palmar/GGQ. Unless I felt like the town had sided with them and trusted them. I wasn't sure what order I had for killing besides you/supersoft but if I killed you, ym suicides kills jackal, gm and palmar get lynched then there is pretty much no vocal good townies left. And that scenario seemed quite reasonable really.
And I really don't think you would have convinced YM to confirm GM like 95% he was just going to suicide on whomever he thought was the best target.
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Edit - besides opz who like I said was still going to be my biggest obstacle by far for winning.
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And another point against YM confirming GM. I don't think anyone wanted to go along with your delay plan syllo. Opz and GM had both already said they were going to push for YM's lynch if he didn't hurry up and suicide. So almost certainly YM would have suicided on day 4 killing 3 townies.
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Huh I didn't push GM wtf? I pushed to confirm GM as town.
And did you read the last 5 pages? I mean there was 0% chance GM and Palmar were both going to get to the late game together. They both wanted to lynch each other, especially GM lynching palmar.
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And sylo it is easy to say post game Palmar and GM were 95%+ town but palmar had 3 votes this lynch and that was without GM. It was incredibly likely that palmar at the very least was going to be killed by town within the next couple days.
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No I focused on the fact that GM didn't instantly kill YM after the lynch even though he was around. So really there was almost 0% chance that GM was mafia. I was focusing on confirming GM without making him lose a life. It was by far the most pro town thing anyone did concerning GM. The idea to bomb him was retarded when the information was clearly right there that he was town. And if anyone had actually thought about it they likely would have realized the mafia would not be trying to confirm GM as a vet and let him keep both his lives making him impossible for me to kill. But I could do that since I was also a Rber so I could still kill GM if I ever needed to.
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But if anyone had actually gone back and looked at my posts to write up a case against me they would have seen these sorts of things and I think I could have spun it very well to look like I always had the towns best interests in mind. Thanks to the fact that everyone seemed to assume there was only 1 rber.
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The most frustrating part for me by far is just the fact that I put A LOT of thought and preparation into planning the case to defend myself once someone put the effort in to do an actual analysis of me instead of people just casually calling me suspicious for no real reason. Obviously I might have still failed to convince people once someone attacked me but I would have liked to at least try :p
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A couple explanations for somethings that happened during the game from our side.
The navillus hit - I had originally thought he might be blue because of him asking the dt question in the thread. But after talking with wiggles he convinced us that navillus was not blue and if he had been he probably would have pmd rol his question. So we decided against hitting him but dropbear had serious blood lust and just constantly wanted to kill people in real time. So while me and wiggles were asleep he got impatient and sent in the kill for nav. Definitely a huge mistake.
VE claiming dt - This wasn't planned out by anyone VE came up with it on his own spontaneously. If GM had convinced people to lynch VE and he had flipped red it would have giving draz such town cred would have been great. Even tho that didn't happen I thought it was still ok. The case against VE was super strong so he was going to be lynched very soon regardless. We all knew the dt claim was just a temporary solution because there was still a likely dt out there who would end up exposing him but the claim might be able to buy him a little time.
Varp/chaos hit - When we were debating day 2 kills I said over and over and over that if we were going to kill varp to try and buy VE more time we needed to send the varp kill in last. I thought either jackal or chaos was the other dt because they were speaking out so strongly against VE. If we killed the other dt first we knew there wasn't much hope for VE so we wouldn't bother to kill varp. But kenpachi accidentally sent in the varp kill first. If we had sent them in the right order we never would have killed varp and things could have turned out a lot different.
So a lack of communication caused a lot of mistakes that really cost us overall.
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