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Palmar
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Back to scumhunting. As a side note, I'm 100% sure this is not something RoL or any of the other hosts wanted to happen. I hope people realize this mechanic is new, and things that are new tend not always work fully at first run. I hope you all agree with me that we still appreciate all the hard work the mods are putting in to keep this game going for us. | ||
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Palmar
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Youngminii claimed hatter and has one bomb. Before the claim we were highly suspicious of him. GMarshal still has not contributed anything of value to the game, and he has a super-scummy past on day 1. We don't have any KP to confirm GMarshal aside from Youngminii's bomb. So I'd love it if YM blew himself up and took GMarshal with him. Other possible candidates for scum. Eiii: If GM is legit, then Eiii really looks like a good target for scum, based on DB's analysis on day 1, based on the fact that despite hiro protagonist not posting at all, Eiii tried to get him lynched (along with wiggles) on day 2. I really like killing Eiii over any other townie. Jackal58 is possibly scum. I'm not sure if he's a good one for hanging tonight. | ||
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On July 04 2011 06:05 Eiii wrote: Palmar likes killing townies! Scumslip, lynch him! but really, I don't ever know what to do day 1, put effort into finding two candidates for day 2 based on the day 1 flip and then was busy for most of that day. Then we won the game .-. Like... I'm not going to fight too hard because I don't think I can reasonably defend myself, a few mislynches won't hurt town much, and this is really boring :| Your day2 analysis was against Hiro Protagonist, the absolute safest bet that you could go for, and someone the scum team has been trying to get killed for a looooong while. And the other person you FoS'd, very weakly, was chaos13. The main part is that your analysis was weak, you didn't push it, you didn't believe in it, and thus you were just happy to lurk by after pretending to create content. I want you dead. Why did you not vote wiggles with us last night? | ||
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Palmar
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YM, time to blow up GM. | ||
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On July 04 2011 06:26 syllogism wrote: I meant Palmar's excuse for not agreeing with the plan doesn't make sense It makes sense. I can agree to killing the other three people on the list, as GM is scummy as fuck, Jackal has a really shitty history in this game and GGQ is just a lurking lurk of a lurker. But no, I'm town, I will never agree to any plan that involves killing people I know are town, and neither will I go down quietly should it come to that. But at the moment, we're not discussing my lynch, we're discussing Eiii's lynch. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 04 2011 06:44 Jackal58 wrote: We're not discussing anything. You're throwing out another name. Again. I think you have now FoSed everybody in the game. You're the guy that wanted to keep Viscera alive for another couple of days "To learn shit" You're the guy that wants to just kill people til we "find" scum. Ya I do think you have bussed most of your team. I think you have half the people in this game licking your boots. I think if I die before you do you will win this. If you're town you should have no problem with this idea. You really think one of the noobs remaining has the balls to try and win this on their own? I don't. If GGQ or GMarshall are scum they will play to their win condition. I think you are arrogant enough to think you can pull it off. Plus we have no DTs left to kill. Where's the fun in it for you now man? Of course I have FoS'd a lot of people, I actually have the balls to be wrong, you see, if someone was good enough at this game to always be right, the game would hardly be fun would it? And yes, I would totally lynch GM tonight, I'm just hoping YM blows him up first. And YM is another guy from this list that I'd expect to play to his win condition. Don't forget that half "of those noobs" remaining have played more than the 4 game I've played. Yes, I would believe a ton of them would go through and try to win the game even from this situation. This is why we lynch the people that are actually scummy, instead of randomly trying to kill people from a list on who would try to win. Yes, I wanted to keep VE alive, I fucked up. I am actually capable of doing what I said. I was basically not listening to him at all, just force him to lie. And you know as well as I that lying is pretty damn hard to keep up for a long while. At least, we had other legitimate targets to go for at that time. So, tonight, I want to lynch Eiii, because of the reasons stated earlier. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 04 2011 07:10 Cthsazsa wrote: I like Jackal's idea. Palmar if you're town then you should have no problem dying for us. I certainly don't. Lol I change my mind. I like the idea of lynching Palmar today, Jackal tomorrow, GGQ, YM (If he still hasn't blown shit up), then GMan. Explain to me. And for now, assume I am town. What would the town gain by killing me? You see, trying to lynch me would be a perfect way to end a really good streak of town play, some of the best I've seen, from multiple players, and turn it into a disaster. Yes, I know that even if I die the town has a great chance of winning it. But if I don't die, it has an even greater chance of winning this. I don't subscribe to any theories that in any situation it can be a good thing for a town player to die. | ||
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On July 04 2011 07:36 GMarshal wrote: Actually this isn't a terrible plan, I can run with it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check me with a bomb, as I'm easily verifiable and I don't have to die as part of the process. YM needs to get his suiciding over with so we can clear him, and his second bomb should be on hiro or syllogism. I can go with this plan. Your objection to it palmar is... questionable. Do you see any actual flaws with this plan? Yes, of course I do. You're scummy as fuck and can be confirmed with a bomb. I've probably played more pro-town than anyone else in this game. While the town together has worked to hit the results we have now, I'd like to think that some part of the success was mine. I am actually very proud of how I've played this game. That being said, I'm not letting you guys throw it out the window with some ridiculous shoot people on a list plan. And what do you plan to do exactly if none of the players in this list is the mafia? That's great, 4 wasted KP's that could've gone to people that actually might be scum. No, we kill the people who we think are scum, not some stupid list that might as well make no sense. I don't buy this. I don't think suggesting it is scummy, just stupid. | ||
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On July 04 2011 07:43 Jackal58 wrote: Hi Palmar. Hi Jackal. | ||
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On July 04 2011 07:51 GMarshal wrote: You know whats funny? the "I've been more pro town than anyone" argument is what I tried to use to shoot your plan down in PTP. Didn't work for me, I don't know why it should work for you. I mean this plan is playing safe, right?  Most definitely not. Unless you're sure that everyone who isn't me, you, jackal and GGQ is scum. I even said in the PTP that I was gambling on Rean being town. This is gambling on 11 players being town, which is stupid. | ||
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Palmar
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He pulls together a random list of 3 vets, and me, who he has been targeting the whole game, mostly for being too pro-town, and then just goes with it. It's one of the more risky plans I have ever seen. I want to lynch scum. | ||
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On July 04 2011 07:55 Mig wrote: The flaw with the plan is you are ignoring all the rest of the information we have this game to lynch 4 people for a pure meta reason. And if the plan fails then we would be down to like 8 people with no real new information. Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work? This is a great point. If we silently lynch four people, who are all okay with being lynched. What information do we gain if it happens to be wrong? Are you really willing to gamble the game on this Jackal58, are you willing to lose a won game because you have terrible meta reads and useless town play? I don't buy it. If the mafia isn't one of you three guys, he is probably laughing his ass of right now. | ||
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On July 04 2011 08:07 GMarshal wrote: If we were all ok with being lynched, I would probably object, but it seems to me that you have serious issues with dying. Which is an interesting reaction. Town shouldn't be this upset about a little noose around the neck. Either way, for now I'm willing to take out Hiro/gtrs/Eiii first and worry about it later, but if we aren't making progress with the lurker lynches, I'd be more than willing to look at you again. ^_^ Off to take a nap now, talk to you all later. I don't want to lynch lurkers only, I sure as hell want you dead or confirmed. I don't trust you at all. I also think Jackal58 might be pushing mafia agenda, based on how useless he's been and now suggesting a plan that's completely stupid. We're killing Eiii tonight, because he's scummy as hell. We're not killing me because I'm not scummy. | ||
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On July 04 2011 08:16 Jackal58 wrote: Yep. Like I said. This plan needs to be agreed upon by those not in it. And if you enact it there is no going back. You guys stick to the plan. If it does net 0 scum then you guys have eliminated virtually everybody the remaining scum can hide behind. GGQ, GMarshal, and I are all people scum can push for a lynch. But I seriously doubt it will get that far. Palmar's biggest objection so far seems to be you guys aren't smart enough to win with out him. I think it's a town win with or without him. I would just rather see it sooner than later. I also think the remaining scum will be in the list I posted. Myself excluded but it wouldn't be fair not to put myself in that list. If I'm wrong Palmar can do the fuck you dance all around me in the post game. And deservedly so. But he's scum. Nobody ever lets scum live when you find them. Except scum. My argument is based on that lynching townies because they might or might not be capable of trying to win 1v15 is stupid. Killing town is stupid, that's my argument. And you see, I'm not stupid Jackal. I obviously knew from the moment I decided to oppose your plan that it would create a fuckton of pressure on a lynch by me. But without me objecting to it we would have killed 4 potential townies with little or no discussion at all. You see, even if you actually manage to push this, I'd be surprised you if you did, because this town seems to be pretty competent at the game, but if you somehow do, then at least I'll have provided the town with one last service of giving them an argument, giving them something that needed to be pushed for it to work. Quietly hopping off to the chopping block helps no one. I've helped organize town, I've FoS'd VE when there was no suspicion on him. I've advocated lynches of 2 mafia on day one. I FoS'd DropBear who then got shot by a vigilante, and I was the one who shouted for killing Mr. Wiggles instead of some other lurker like Hiro Protagonist. I've played this game well, in my own opinion. I'm proud of it, and as a last service to town, should this actually come through for you, I'm giving you something to talk about tomorrow. Players who pushed, players who sheeped. I will win this game. | ||
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Palmar
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 And yes, I have made mistakes. You see, when you put yourself in a position like I willingly took upon myself, you will fuck up. There is no one who plays the game perfectly Just like everyone who is trying to get me lynched are about to screw up pretty badly. I want the town to take a long good hard look at the people who are pushing this, as anyone with half a brain can tell I'm town. | ||
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On July 04 2011 08:54 GMarshal wrote: Hmm I've never read arguments like *that* before. Right, thats where I saw "I'm town, lynching me is idiotic" before, in a similar situation. How amusing. Seems you learned something from reading PTP, namely that repetition can be as useful as a good argument. Tell me palmar, why are you so devoted to staying alive? I already said that I'm 100% fine with being bombed or shot, yet you seem *outraged* at the suggestion that we might lynch you. Again, we can exterminate lurkers, but if/when the game hits lylo, we'll know who the mafia is. Hopefully by then someone will have been kind enough to riddle me with amunition to prove my alignment. (Come on YM, don't fail me here, you know that if palmar is scum he's already setting me up as his convincing endgame mislynch, being confirmed would resolve any such doubts) I learned and I 1-upped you. I'm doing this shit as town, you see, obviously it makes no sense to do it as mafia, you'll just get killed later. Would be much better for me to simply try to be far back on the list and slowly kill off people likely to keep pushing the idea if I was mafia, then try to convince people when two or so remaining that this is getting us nowhere. Don't underestimate me, my scum play isn't this bad. All I've done is created a discussion and forced people to press the issue. And I fully expect people to keep trying that into the night. It really sucks I can't be around because I have the first day of a new job tomorrow, cause I could really turn this place into an armageddon if I could stay up. But it's past midnight here, and I need the sleep. What brings you suddenly scum-hunting into the thread GM? The opportunity to lynch a townie? If I don't randomly wake up in the night, and this fail-train takes off properly, consider this my last service to town. To force discussion. Good luck! | ||
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On July 04 2011 09:10 Eiii wrote: In a day of no-activity-because-nothing's-happening I've gone from palm's 'Probably Town' list to 'scummy as fuck' :x yep, I changed my mind. I think you're the scum. But hey, according to Jackal and GMarshal you should be thrilled to die if you're town, sacrificed for the greater good. | ||
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I'd kill people in this order: Eiii YM GMarshal Mataza Hyaach Jackal | ||
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