/confirmed

I guess at least some will be cleared up after tonight. I need to read through this thread again, Caller's claim blew up my prior understanding of what is going on.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 01 2011 08:29 GMT

#701

My current impression is that Fishball is playing the most pro-town game I have ever seen out of him. He is the only one trying to contribute and think past the Caller/BC stuff. This game he is even going through the troouble of making real behavior analysis posts. This is milas away from the red FB who lives (and dies) by Ace's rule of "give the town nothing" and snaps at any questioning. If FB turns out to be red in this game I will be shocked (and very impressed).

As it happens, I also like Fishball's scum list of VisceraEyes, LSB and ilovejonn. I would add sandroba and Kurumi to it - both have done little more but spam filler posts since the start of the game.

BC could well be red/GF. Think about the people he chose to "test": both had claimed publicly, and a red BC would know they are town aligned. Unlike Fishball's DT claim, BC's "checks" wre not meant to add any new information, making this a bizarre role claim, almost like he wanted to start with the credibility then set himself up for better stories in the future.

Caller is Caller. It would not be unlike him to lie as town, or change his lies around 100000x as mafia. At this point he either has another bullet or he does not. We'll find out soon enough.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 01 2011 21:54 GMT

#711

The town should not lynch Fishball, but we'll have more time for that conversation. In fact, if there is a medic, you should consider protecting him. Also, if there is a coroner, it is time to think about using your ability. We need some clarity here.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 02 2011 08:53 GMT

#737

I actually do think we need some sort of mass claim. FB flipped DT so RoL was most likely red. That probably makes it 7 vs 3. This lynch is key, so let's get this party going.

I am chief investigator. If I lived past night 2 my department would start broadcasting investigation results on every death from that point on - i.e. this is no longer a no flip game. Ace must have enjoyed giving this role to Radfield.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 02 2011 15:59 GMT

#754

On July 02 2011 23:47 Palmar wrote:
2 people died tonight.

1 kill is still unaccounted for.

Not if Caller lied again, per LSB's post. I don't get Caller at all this game. Just as I can't wrap my head around BC - why would a vanilla townie lie? In a no-flip, no-pm game too...

Also, while all this lying is going on, look who is sitting pretty egging it along:

On July 01 2011 17:44 Chezinu wrote:
I think Caller is playing the most pro-town game. He has done a wonderful job.

Wonderful job indeed. If you're mafia!

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 03 2011 02:12 GMT

#834

Caller deserves to die for being a serial liar. If he flips red, great. If not, I will look very closely at Chez.

Remember, from now on all flips will be revealed.

##Vote: Caller.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 03 2011 16:14 GMT

#874

On July 03 2011 18:10 Palmar wrote:
So how do we go from here?

Tomorrow, one of us will be dead, and we need to hit mafia.

So how do we do that? There's basically two different ways we can go about it.

a) We assume that LSB and ILJ are lying and we kill one of them.

b) We trust them and use that to reduce the pool of players to kill from.

I'm inclined to go with b. It's the simpler explanation and really, it's worth the gamble in a game where it seems ridiculously hard to analyse people and get them killed.

So, all we have left is re-reading this thread and try to pick up reasons as to why people are innocent, and then kill into the list of people who look scmmy.

ILJ: Confirmed LSB with a pretty good explanation of what happened, I'm going to gamble on him telling the truth.
LSB: He had the right of it with Caller's death, again it's a gamble, but let's stick him into the nice people category, for a lack of other options.
Kurumi: Just because Caller told me he's not scum. I'd have killed him day1
Palmar: If you don't believe it, just stall the game for a cycle by lynching me.

So, assuming those are our town reads, let's have a look at some other people in the thread.

Jackal58: I have no read on him, nothing. He just lurks his lurkery lurk away and leaves little to be analysed. But hey, we're in a retarded situation anyway, let's just trust him.
citi.zen: He's got the chief investigator role. It's probably a town sided role, but it could just be Ace fucking with us and his role is really mafia sided. But I'm again willing to let people slide on really thin things this time, so yes, he gets to be not mafia too.

And that leaves us with:
Amber[Light]
Chezinu
Sandroba

So, how do we pick a person and lynch into this list?

I think my best bet is Sandroba, but Chezinu is also a good alternative, as he's scummy. But yeah, Sandroba is going to be my suggestion for a kill tomorrow, mostly based on the fact that he has provided nothing, claimed probably the easiest role to claim in this game, and has just been an all-around derp.

Really good player, really bad performance.

That sounds about right. Caller lied and got caught, just like BC. They were dumb lies too. What was the point of BC claiming a blue role when he was green? I can see BC lying if he was a vet or some sort of meth man, but as plain town, what was the point? They pretty much lost us the game.

Right now my lynch pick is Chez - he was way too adamant about Caller's alignment throughout this mess. Sandroba I've never played with but he certainly makes a fine lynch as well. Most of his posts are clear filler and he's fallen off the radar entirely lately.

For tonight: if you are a medic, don't feel compelled to protect me - my ability was already activated. Take a random pick between me, Palmar and Jackal - I want to know more about his role so he should survive.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 03 2011 17:56 GMT

#877

On July 04 2011 01:20 sandroba wrote:
I totally agree with palmar to go with option B.

Here goes my list of doom:
Amber[Light]
Kurumi
Chezinu
(Jackal58?)

I'm willing to bet the last mafia are all here. I can't analyse shit this game and I blame you trolls for making my life dificult. Luckly I have it right this time.

" I have nothing but trust me!"

Trolls? This game is under 50 pages long and you can't keep up? Give me a break.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 05:59 GMT

#880

On July 04 2011 11:25 Chezinu wrote:

Show nested quote +

You can't blame them. I agree with Palmer, we have an advantage because we know players like BC, Caller, and Fishball better than others playing this game.

What was the point of that post Chez? Logically it doesn't make sense: whether or not you know those players, the fact remains that the thread is under 50 pages long and it's absurd to complain about "trolls".

On the face of it there is zero content, so I have to conclude you only posted it to show me you can use the word "we" in a sentence, opposite to "them" and "others", of course.

This approach looks familiar... where have I seen something similar I wonder? Oh yeah:

On July 01 2011 17:44 Chezinu wrote:
I think Caller is playing the most pro-town game. He has done a wonderful job.

You knew full well Caller was not red. So you pretended to trust him on extremely thin evidence. You praised him all game long, which was brilliant: 1) he would not be likely to shoot you; 2) he would be more inclined to trust your suspect lists and shoot townies (by the way, nice touch to later claim the lists were not entirely serious or that you only had FB as fishy so the mafia would not shoot him); and 3) if he somehow got lynched, you could take credit for defending him. You can't lose with this plan!

Guess what: I am not Caller. You get lynched tomorrow.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 14:53 GMT

#902

##Vote: Chezinu

Now what?

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 15:32 GMT

#903

On July 04 2011 16:13 Chezinu wrote:

Show nested quote +

But I thought you would understand..

What I wrote was that Caller is hard to figure out. He plays however he feels like playing as town and as a red he likes (and is good at) being in the spotlight and cooking up convoluted stories where every day he changed his claim:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703

But yeah. I do understand what you are trying to do Chez. As I mentioned, I am not Caller, you won't get off the hook that easily.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 20:09 GMT

#931

I still think Chez is red. There has to be a GF type in the game.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 23:09 GMT

#958

How about we lynch Chez and shoot Sandroba? They are the two scummiest players left + a mafia pairing that makes sense. In a game without a RB there would pretty much have to be a GF and Chez is a great candidate. I will not forgive myself if I give up on him!

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 04 2011 23:45 GMT

#968

The other way around is fine.

##Unvote

##vote: Sandroba

citi.zen

2509 Posts

July 05 2011 00:11 GMT

#971

I find it pretty incriminating that he supposedly can't be bothered to analyze anyone because of the "trolls". In this game? Really? He's given no other reason for his apathetic play.