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On June 30 2011 23:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As stated in this post, DT claiming is retarded, and from a lessor player I might consider making an exception based on lack of experience and confidence, but fishball obviously won't get that luxury. Claiming is so fucking INCREDIBLY bad.
So if it was me who claimed, you'd make an exception and just admit you're mafia, but since it's fishball you're going to fight?
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On July 01 2011 00:16 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:13 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 23:58 Jackal58 wrote:
Perhaps I'm being naive or foolish but I'm going to take fishball at his word. GMarshal's plan for lynching the DT first revolved around preventing scum from making a false claim. He appeared to have enough support in his plan that I gotta believe Fishball is telling the truth. I can't see the scum team putting one of their own so close to a noose. There is a really good reason in this particular case for lynching RoL first. We can gamble on getting a ton of extra informaton, but only if you have faith in your Emperor. Listen my Icelandic twin, doing this is stupid. Read what I wrote above, this is a gamble that won't pan out which is why we so heavily discouraged DT claims and even provided the exact way a DT should go about his successful role checks.
Thing is, in general I agree with you and not fishball, he should in all honesty have pushed the case through analysis. But there are some other factors in this.
And don't think for even one second I believe this somehow clears BC, hell no.
But one of you is mafia, that's how much we know, so eventually both of you are going to die. The only reason I want you dead over Fishball, is that keeping him alive for more nights does one of two things.
a) He's scum. As long as we make sure to take everything he says with a grain of salt, he is forced to lie and deceive until his death. If all he has is innocent reports and he doesn't end up dead in a night or two, he's going to hang
b) He's really a DT, he still will dig up more information that we can use, and will have an extra night, or even two, to get more information. In addition, if he's truly a DT, the mafia will certainly either roleblock or kill him. If he claims roleblocked we just hang him, and that means one extra night where some other role isn't being blocked. If the mafia kills him, which I very much doubt, then they've done our work for us.
1 for 1 in any case.
But killing you gives Fishball a chance to investigate, or lie, more. Both something that can be used further into the game.
Killing Fishball simply means that we lose another day lynching you, as there is no way in hell the mafia will kill you as they know we're going to have to do it anyway the next day.
I see no reason you should not hang tonight.
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On July 01 2011 02:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 02:38 Fishball wrote:On July 01 2011 02:36 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 02:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 01:58 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 01:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Wait until this medic claims then if you truly think I am a liar caller. I think its probably VisceraEyes, which you guys obviously lend no credit to. But lets see if someone else claims to have saved me.
As I said earlier, I am purely speculating on you caller. The second hit confuses the shit out of me, and I can't explain it other then by what I wrote or another vig. If you don't believe there is a medic, then there is no problem in waiting for him to hopefully role claim, if I am lying, it won't happen.
We fundamentally disagree on your first response though. A. What are you talking about? B. I still think it was dumb and C. you are wrong. medics do not fucking claim. Are you fucking kidding? If you are gungho about getting me killed why would you dismiss evidence to the contrary? Is this a fucking joke? You are saying I am a lying mafia, I am saying I am not. and i'm saying there's no need to do so because I have already proven that you are lying and are simply trying to flush out medics so that your buddies will be able to hit them tomorrow. It's already proven that you're mafia. Anyone that doesn't follow my logic needs to get their head checked. It was my logic! Your logic sucked too.
Fuck logic, hanging you is the Emperor's command.
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On July 01 2011 02:42 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 02:41 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 02:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 02:38 Fishball wrote:On July 01 2011 02:36 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 02:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 01:58 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 01:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Wait until this medic claims then if you truly think I am a liar caller. I think its probably VisceraEyes, which you guys obviously lend no credit to. But lets see if someone else claims to have saved me.
As I said earlier, I am purely speculating on you caller. The second hit confuses the shit out of me, and I can't explain it other then by what I wrote or another vig. If you don't believe there is a medic, then there is no problem in waiting for him to hopefully role claim, if I am lying, it won't happen.
We fundamentally disagree on your first response though. A. What are you talking about? B. I still think it was dumb and C. you are wrong. medics do not fucking claim. Are you fucking kidding? If you are gungho about getting me killed why would you dismiss evidence to the contrary? Is this a fucking joke? You are saying I am a lying mafia, I am saying I am not. and i'm saying there's no need to do so because I have already proven that you are lying and are simply trying to flush out medics so that your buddies will be able to hit them tomorrow. It's already proven that you're mafia. Anyone that doesn't follow my logic needs to get their head checked. It was my logic! Your logic sucked too. Fuck logic, hanging you is the Emperor's command. I feel betrayed by blood. hurry up and claim then, let's hear your claim. maybe we'll get off you.
Claim his role, or my throne?
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On July 01 2011 02:56 Caller wrote:
shit
fuck guys my bad, Fishball and BC are both mafia.
I totally lied about my abilities. I have TWO shots, not one. I was waiting for somebody to bumble into the trap I had laid, but I didn't expect BC to do it.
I'm going to prove it by shooting BC tonight.
That doesn't even make fucking sense.
if BC is mafia and you're not, he's hardly stupid enough to lie about you telling the truth, fully knowing you could easily call him out on it.
I say we kill and hang you all.
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At least hopefully caller will be shooting BC tonight, so we don't have to hang him. Then we hang caller.
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Cool
I have all faith you will prove your loyalty by shooting BC.
Doesn't mean we won't lynch you.
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No, you're not.
Does your role determine your alignment? Is it completely unthinkable the mafia might have hidden an extra KP or two on one of their own?
If this was a semi-open setup, then sure, you'd be clear.
But for now, not a chance.
But I'm waiting for tomorrow to determine which target is better for killing, you or Fishball
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Don't really give a shit.
we hang and shoot them all.
If we have any vigis in the game that have had the fucking sense to not shout their role on day 1, then please, help us off those guys.
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btw, this is the order we're killing them in
Caller kills BC
We hang Caller
nightlol
We hang Fishball after he leaves the latest investigations.
What better than more wifom to enjoy?
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by the way, the best person to check after death in this scenario is caller.
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I've already stated my reasons.
I said pretty early last night that I did not think VisceraEyes is scum. What do you want, a post by post analysis trying to prove he's not? I've never played with Chaoser, if this is VE's scum play he has me fooled.
I still think both ILJ and Radfield are terribly scummy, but there's no reason for me to point out why when it's quite obvious what this night and the following day will be about. You guys have three roleclaims in between you, some of you are definitely scum, so my opinion is to hang or kill you all. You last Fishball, because at least you can leave us with investigations.
It's night now, and I'm mostly just waiting to see what happens at daybreak before breaking out any important points.
I consider the only goal for me at this point is to make sure town doesn't get sidetracked and keeps it's focus on killing the three of you, and correctly responds to any new claims or information that might present itself.
For the moment, I have a clear goal, so there's not a lot to say.
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Why did you claim btw Fish?
You could easily have pushed that lynch on RoL without revealing your role. A ton of us mentioned him being scummy, and failing to vote was really damn anti-town.
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lol
Both sides agree that VE is scum!
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On July 02 2011 07:44 Caller wrote:
No we lynch fishball because there is no friggin role reveal so we don't know if rol was town or not
Get his results from tonight then lynch him. I'm almost positive he and bc were in this together.
Nope, truthful or not, you're a better lynch after you shoot BC.
I want another report for fishball, because the longer he stays alive the more chance we catch him lying.
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I'm waiting eagerly to count the kills at daybreak.
I'm very good at counting.
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mad cause you got shot in rtm?
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We really mass-claiming?
Btw, I'm totally cool with killing ILJ, LSB and Radfield the second now.
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rofl that's fucking great considering who got the role 
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