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On June 28 2011 23:55 deconduo wrote: Hmm, RoL has one post in this game and 16 in RTM over the same time period. Hardcore lurking going on there. ##Vote RebithOfLegend Sorry, I am going to catch up now. RTM required quote a bit of focus especially in the early hours of the game. I think I got something like 25 PM's within the first few hours, not to mention thread questions and actions. | ||
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Anyway, I have reads that I am going to share with you all. I tend to categorize people as red gray or town. First off let's start off with a list of people who are town. I am not going to explain my reasoning ind detail because simply reading their posts should give you the idea. This list is in no particular order. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. BC- I'd say he seems generally way more interested in this game than he was in XLII. I agree with his analysis more or less. Chaoser was posting dumb shit, and I did agree with his initial read on Radfield. Palmar- I think this guy is my twin. I agree with almost everything he has said so far. Kurumi looks like shit. This is the list of gray. People who are either too incompetent, inactive or insane to actually get a good read off of. Deconduo- I know I will get flack for this, but generally he is not that aggressive as mafia. Going head to head and being as aggressive as he was being is just plain stupid as mafia. I honestly think he is just playing terribly. He has said so many dumb things that look scummy but are too aggressive and stupid and if I was on his scum team I would of been screaming at him to shut the fuck up as of 6 hours into N0. But there seriously is no ignoring how scummy some things he has said are, like Kill fishball he's 75% town. Caller- Troll, not really contributing that much. Chezinu- See above. Sandroba- Posting nothing, supports LSB? Odd. Actually defends himself fairly well to fishballs accusations. Going in the gray area. Scamp- Not particularly active, but he doesn't strike me as a lurking mafia. I'd hope he gets more active with time to allow a better read. I know when I played scum with him a few times he hard lurked, but that was literally years ago and people change and I know he is considered a good player now. If you don't start doing shit though I will be disappointed and try to get you vigi'd or lynched. Radfield- I might get some flack about this, but my initial gripe with him was just how wordy all of his posts were, and just how obvious the things he was saying were. He was however one of the first to start posting and obvious shit is kind of standard for that. My biggest issue was how I viewed him trying to disguise it using enormous paragraphs. Although, I seem to remember his style being fairly wordy in the past. When BC attacks him and he responded to it, it confirmed my thoughts about radfield just utterly hating his keyboard. I would definitely keep an eye on him, but for now I'd let him slide simply because of the following people being infinitely worse. *I don't feel like rewriting this paragraph but I forgot to mention how sketchy I found his emphasis on lurkers too. The list of scummy peoplez Amber[LighT]- Seriously, you have done almost nothing and your posts wreak of shit. Look at his posts on page 10 as a perfect example. What he is saying is just stupid. We need 13 to lynch so mafia won't ALL JUMP SHIP to kill a probable different townie who theoretically has EVERY other vote? Calling people scummy for speculating on the extra night kill? On top of that your contributions after that consist of a flow chart. Shape the fuck up. Kurumi- You haven't contributed ANYTHING. Seriously, all game. Nothing. You have spammed relentlessly and it's irritating as fuck. It just screams scummy. Post your actual thoughts on someone and stop just posting for the sake of posting. I half almost put you into the gray but the sheer amount of your posts and how little you feel you need to contribute bumped you down to the red. Ilovejonn- You have literally not had a thought of your own and even admit to blatently echoing other peoples thoughts. Contribute or die. Chaoser/VisceraEyes- Chaoser looked really bad early on, like he was trying to feign activity and does deserve the lynch for that, and Viscera's first post as the replacement is accusing Palmar, in my opinion one of the more pro town players. I think we are fine lynching him today. LSB- Your posting has SUCKED. Hard. You express a shitty opinion on the Deconduo/Fishball situation after it had already been more or less resolved. Considered I view them both as town, I would view this as you fanning the fire. | ||
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##Vote: VisceraEyes As an aside to that, I want to point out I feel MUCH stronger about town reads in general than I do about scum reads. I find it to be MUCH more useful to figure out who is town based off posting and not simply who is scummy. People like Gmarshal can blatantly stand out as contributing protown players even on Day 1, while scummy people can float in a gray area. I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use. Sorry for my inactivity earlier on, RTM took a lot of work to get started while updating rules/OP's and briefing all the cohosts while answering PM's. THEN I WATCHED XFILES BECAUSE MULDER IS THE SHIT. | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:15 Palmar wrote: I don't like either of the lynch targets at the moment. Chaoser/VisEyes is being voted for not contributing, but well... he got replaced out of the game because he didn't have time, and VisEyes just came in. deconduo's actions make no sense at all, not as mafia and not as town. It's astonishing he did what he did, but my best bet at the moment is to put it down to terrible town play. We can always lynch him tomorrow if the mafia doesn't end him. So, in my opinion we need to think up a new lynch. I don't think it was for lack of contributing so much as what the little Chaoser contributed was. Some shitty list which could be used to feign actually being active, and then VisceraEyes attacking you when you appear pro town. I was actually going to suggest switching to Kurumi as well until I saw VisceraEyes first contribution attacking town players. | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:55 Kurumi wrote: Sure You want to lynch Radfield scum,You killed GMarshal now You need to get rid of Radfield. Classic. I might contribute but since noone's making a case against me (just "herp derp he is trolling,so is Caller but he is scum Caller is not" nonsense) Also, thirteen wait for another transmission. lol is this a joke? You just said that you might contribute, but since no one is making a case against you fuck it? I am officially okay with killing Kurumi instead of viscera and giving viscera another day for redemption. | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:59 Kurumi wrote: Well,people accuse me without any case going on and want force me to speed up things I am doing right now,I was busy breadcrumbing my role,let me work seriously now,because this is heading ridiculously wrong. You have 1.5 hours to produce something useful then I switch my vote. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:22 ilovejonn wrote: Please, if you have time to post right now if you're at work or whatever then do it right now. I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for Day 1 lynch. Oh, and what happened to we should lynch inactive/lurkers? If you can convince the whole town to lynch me when I'm at work 6 pm - 1 am I'll be amazed, and also depressed. Remember when Radfield said it a Day 1 no-lynch isn't too bad? Yeah, that's where I disagree with him. There are plenty of lynch candidates right now. Also, what happened to the people saying we should never no-lynch yet are not doing anything about it. Look at how many lone votes on a single person there are. The way things are heading right now by deadline comes there won't even be a lynch if we can't come down to 2 targets max. I'm going to hold off on Vis since he just subbed in and made points allowing us to see where he stand on things, but my vote stays on deconduo. I don't know what he is trying to do but it's not helping town. How can he prove after the night that he is a vig and shot someone and not just scum/SK? As been said by tons of people it's all wifom. We can either buckle down on 1 lurker/troll and 1 person we think is scummy, better than having more than 4 targets up for lynch. Kurumi/Caller + deconduo would be my choices. FOS on people voting for no reason and people having a lone vote on very weak cases. Do you see the contradiction here? | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:35 Jackal58 wrote: The problem I have with that atm is I think he's most likely town. I don't subscribe to the "useless townie" theory. Useless townies are inactive and the host deals with them through modkills. The one time I pushed the useless townie card was on Bill Murray. It almost cost us the game. I'd rather not revisit that scenario. I agree sort of, but apparently yelling at him and saying we are going to kill him right now was the only way to get him to actually write something. Kurumi seriously, if you aren't going to willingly post or contribute, why even bother playing? | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:38 Kurumi wrote: Why Hesmyrr or Palmar are Scum Let's look at what Hesmyrr contributed before he got replaced... + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2011 03:29 Hesmyrr wrote: GMarshal, about , why are lynching DT claim first? I know every guilty result claim should be regarded with skepticism (especially when one consecutively claims to have found guilty in which case your statement might be justified) but as long as the possibility of coroner - or any role that can somehow 'check' validity of one's statement - exists it should be net loss for us to lynch the DT first. Radfield basically ninja tl;dr'd what I wanted to say. Noone gives a damn that someone said what You wanted to. Voice Your opinion in Your OWN words,when You agree with something,BACK THE SHIT UP. Also look at his addition to "lynch DT before his claimed guilty" He says that we should lynch DT's target and make Coroner check the dead body.. What this gives us? WIFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. A lot. So: DT says X is Mafia. We lynch X. REAL Coroner reveals(OH MY GOD YOU ARE DEAD SON) and confirms that the dead guy is scum. Yay,two real blues revealed! Good deal for mafia. False DT says X is Mafia (he is not) We lynch X. False Coroner reveals and confirms that the dead guy was indeed Mafia. Hooray,our lynches are now Scum's! False DT says X is Mafia (he is not) Real Coroner denies it. Now even more Wifom emerges and I am already tired of thinking how bad could it end when scenarios like that appear. The other post is about how terrible Toy Factory Mafia was for Town or shit like that,we're done with Hesmyrr's posts. Yeah. Now Palmar. He jumps into a game with a plan.. TERRIBLE PLAN. Well,for us,not for them Scum. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 09:21 Palmar wrote: I seem to have entered the thread at a great time. The town is lost in disarray, confusion and fear, but no longer do you have to suffer from this, as your savior has arrived. Since I missed all the fun on discussing policies, I'll chime in on them a bit. Vigs should shoot first night, and every night there after. I don't care if this means the game is shorter, it means that higher percentage of the kills are town kills, and thus in effect reducing the number of mafia kills. As any vig hit is guaranteed not to hit one townie, it has a slightly higher chance of success than a lynch. So fire away my friends! Any people pushing for no lynches, or no shooting are not my friends. Also, deconduo is probably scum. I suggest we either lynch him or ask for a specific kill target or something. I also think Kurumi is scum, but I guess that can wait a bit. He suggests that we should make our furniture from bodies,sounds fun. Sure that Vigilante shooting won't shoot himself,but since it is no-flip NOTHING is confirmed. You shot 100% Scum in Your eyes? Better pray he wasn't last Coroner. You shot semi-lurking guy? He better wasn't DT who had 2 Red checks in his pocket. Also shooting like that gives even more chaos. "I think X was Mafia shot!" "I think it was Z,he was active!" Fuck that,we had two kills Night 0 which were something we totally did not expect. Vigilantes are not for shooting randomly,Vigilantes are DTs who give confirmed checks in any other game. In this game,they're KILLERS. They don't prove anything,they only silence the person they killed. I'd like You to look at this sentence END. Where's Your voice about no lynches? Why is it bad? You just threw it out like that. "NO LYNCHES ARE BAD SON AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE YOUR DADDY" Nope. He brings two scum suspects,one already under pressure and other flying under the radar. He leaves a spot for Deconduo to "redeem" himself,but in my case,he is like: "He is scum,but this isn't our priority now" Wat. Really? If I am scum,PUSH MY LYNCH,GET ME DEAD. I am scum right? Well,in Your eyes maybe yes,but I know my role. 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 Now pardon me for a bit. I should of read your post before writing. You realize like 90% of your post is based around some sort of fictitious coroner role which might not even exist? I mean, maybe it does, but we have no way of proving whether or not it does and therefore any plan based around absolute uncertainty is stupid. I will have to find that post where hessmyr/palmar say to lynch the DT check and not the DT. We have beat that topic senseless. If you are stupid enough to claim DT when it can't be proved we will kill you first. If you DT check someone and they come back scum it really shouldn't be too hard to posts that make them look scummy and allow you to (rightfully) tunnel them. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying don't use the tool Palmar, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't just have them blindly shooting every single cycle just because they can. It WILL hurt town as they WILL hit more town than scum. Save Vig shots for people who are clearly and obviously scummy. Granted, you won't get as much of that in this PARTICULAR game, but just having them fire at random people every opportunity would be........insane. These two sentences contradict each other. I agree with palmar for the most part. We shouldn't hold back hits for the sake of holding them back. If you have KP and have someone you think is scum for whatever reason go for it. There is almost no reason to wait for general town consensus on who is scum and fire a shot. I have pushed this agenda in there games, and I will do it now. I think single people are better at making educated decisions than a group, at least when it comes to killing a mafia. I would also rather our KP get's used than it not be used, but I wouldn't say use ALL of it on Night 1, that would be foolish. But I wouldn't say hold onto your kill like it's a first born. Kill people you find scummy, as you said in the bold, we are never going to be absolutely certain someone as scum to make a unilateral decision, and holding out for that 99% guarantee just isn't going to happen. Err I droned a bit, but to summarize as soon as our KP roles have someone they reasonably think is scummy, just fire the shot. Don't even think twice. I wouldn't go as far to say that ALL KP should be used N1 though, that might be a bit too crazy. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:57 Caller wrote: rol what kind of no reveal game doesnt have a necrophile that can check dead peoples' allignments? It probably does, but we can't know for sure. It's the same as no lynching off the hopes that we might extend the game for another lynch just by doing it. There is a chance in uncertainty that we may extend the game and make a more informed decision, just like there is a chance that there is a coroner role. But making any sort of plan or policy out of chance is stupid, and I would never support it. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:58 ilovejonn wrote: No I don't. Spell it out for me. decon is one of my lynch candidates that I've had along with Caller since the beginning, that's 2 targets, and I'm telling people to vote either 1 or them. So really, what does the bolded part mean to you? You say how we need to consolidate votes and point out how people are voting on random people who are barely if at all lynch contenders then in the same breath you also say how you are not changing your vote, even though most people are in agreement that Deconduo just sucks and isn't scum. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:59 Jackal58 wrote: That's the frustrating part. He has admitted in the past to trolling games just for his own amusement. If the game itself does not entertain you why play? All you manage is to diminish the experience for everybody else. If this is true and a recurring behavior I am not looking forward to not killing him because he is probably town. Nothing is more annoying than that. When it comes to Chezinu/Caller their Metas are funny and insane and it suites them really well by making them hard to read. In his case if it's honestly just to fuck with us, that is kind of discouraging. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:47 LSB wrote: And it would be naive to try to argue that there isn't one. lol, I just finished arguing about how you should never talk in absolutes, especially in a game where all we know for fact is the mafia KP and original number of mafia. It looks like someone is trying to cover up a scum slip of knowing things he shouldn't ^_^ | ||
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On June 29 2011 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote: How am I being balls-to-the-wall annoying when I'm only trying to get you guys to reconsider what appears to already be decided? I'm LITERALLY 2 votes away from death...I think I'm entitled to as much annyoningness as I want. Consider it my last meal. lol Seriously guys, I'm only asking for a TEMPORARY reprieve. Put me off til tomorrow and lynch someone who actually looks scummy. Amber hasn't done ANYTHING this game. Palmar made a pretty compelling case against Kurumi. Town, just because I have the most votes and am a heartbeat away from death does NOT make me the best lynch candidate. It only means that we've all decided to not try and find scum in this game and have decided that the name of the game is to just come to a consensus on who to kill. That's the name of MAFIA'S game, not TOWN'S game. WE should be looking for scum. And you're looking in the WRONG place lynching me, I promise you. Amber still hasn't posted, other than RoL makes him lol. How this isn't more scummy to more people is absolutely flooring to me. Amber looks really scummy from his posting, and I wouldn't mind switching over if you can convince other people. I explained my reasoning on you, and I briefly went over my reasoning on Amber, I also don't like how silent he has been about us killing you. I'd suggest you show us why we should kill amber instead though, that might convince other people. | ||
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On June 29 2011 10:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: Cherry picking my posts doesn't make me scum. I just find it funny that conveniently after chaoser made that garbage list post he was replaced, essentially making it useless for the town to ask viscera what was meant. And Rol you should watch your shit. All of a sudden you were.'catching up' and someone throws my name into the ring and you hop on me out of convenience. You gotta do better than that if you want to help your scum buddy out. Guess its easy to throw your friends under the bus first Another reference for the town: when Rol and I are on the same mafia team he will stay very far away from me. Also when jackal plays normally he will call out someone for being scum by literally saying "xxx is scum." I was the first person to call you out? I just didn't push your lynch initially. | ||
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