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On June 29 2011 23:05 Caller wrote:
Why Kurumi isn’t scummy
Kurumi is a self-admitted not good at mafia player. That means he is more prone to making the typical scumslips that mafia would make. Either that or he would totally clam up like he did in PYP. Yet Kurumi hasn’t slipped up: if anything, he’s acting just as troll here as he is normally. He’s playing VERY aggressively, calling people out, not even pretending to be contributing, and etc. Mafia DON’T do this. Especially not good ones. And since he hasn’t slipped up in like 10000 posts, I think he’s either a normal townie, or a suicide bomber.
Why BC is fishy:
BC always has all the mafia by day 2. Unfortunately, he also usually dies by Day 2. BC hasn’t contributed much-well, he has contributed, but not in the sense that I’m talking about. He’s just acting… so damn fishy. I can’t pin anything on him because there’s nothing to pin him on, but he’s just acting so damn fishy that my gut says to keep an eye on him.
more to come when I feel like it
RoL just scumslipped
Rofl?
Caller don't skew shit. The most reds i have ever had by day 2 is 2 of like a 6 man team. I also usually live into day 4-5 more often than not. You literally have no idea what my town play is like.
I will let people go back and look at my game history and realize i'm not full of shit. If the only thing you have to make me seem "scummy" is my "meta" then chances are i'm not red. For shame caller, you know better.
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doesn't this game operate under majority lynch? If so, RoL is already dead.
As a general note I am slightly taken aback at how only RoL is defending himself from this. Coulda sworn there was a general agreement that you lynch the dt before you lynch the accused. However, seeing how the trend was going I realized that ace gave me my role for a reason.
I am the lie detector
Once per day/night cycle starting day 1 I am able to select one single post, or I can specify a specific segment of a post. Upon doing this I will be informed if the player is telling the truth or lying. I only claim this for a few reasons at the moment.
It confirms Fishball as cop. It confirms RoL as mafia.
I chose this post for the day 2.
On June 30 2011 16:39 Fishball wrote:
When I check a player, the results either comes back as "Innocent" for Town aligned players, or "Guilty" for Mafia.
This returned True
I opted to choose the most specific line in his entire post about his role in terms of confirming or denying his claim. As the check returned true about the description of his role this leads me to believe he is in fact telling the truth. As no red would actually know how the cop mechanic works for sure, nor would any other role. As such I believe it confirms him.
as for day 1 I chose
On June 29 2011 22:08 Caller wrote:
I used my one bullet to shoot GMarshal
This was true
I chose this bit of callers vig claim post for a few reasons. 1, he said he did it night 1 when he did it night 0, and on the offchance he was a godfather he could lie about his role to fool mine. As such I opted to analyze the segment that would legitimize his claim, or nail him as a liar. As it returned truth, caller is in fact a role that has 1 kp ability. This says nothing of his alignment, but whatever role he has was limited to 1 kp.
Now, based on the results of my role, I am voting RoL as Fishball's claim is legit.
##vote rebirthoflegend
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On July 01 2011 03:05 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:
Oh Yeah Caller,when only one death flips I am dead sure YOu're scum. Scratch the part about Fishball and BC,I am undecided. Sure, feel free to lynch me tomorrow if you feel that way. I'm still shooting BC for lying. If BC dies tomorrow, it will prove that BC is lying. And if BC lied, he's mafia. And if he's mafia, I can't be mafia. Do the logic.
Rofl.
Only way I am going to die is if mafia shoot me. Protects the confirmed blues which I am fine with. Also caller, if you have learned anything about me when I am mafia, I am much ballsier than most. Creating this situation is something I could easily do just to confirm you or me.
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On July 01 2011 01:50 Caller wrote:
tldr: No reason for me to do any of the things I did if I were 3rd party short of suiciding myself, so unless I'm a fucking Village Idiot there's no way I'd do this. RoL is lying about being hit. On top of Fishball's guilty this means he is mafia. Lynch all liars and all that.
You say lynch all liars. Then say
On July 01 2011 02:56 Caller wrote:
shit
fuck guys my bad, Fishball and BC are both mafia.
I totally lied about my abilities. I have TWO shots, not one. I was waiting for somebody to bumble into the trap I had laid, but I didn't expect BC to do it.
I'm going to prove it by shooting BC tonight.
I love when people say they hate lying, lynch liars, then lie. Don't you caller?
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On July 01 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Cool
I have all faith you will prove your loyalty by shooting BC.
Doesn't mean we won't lynch you. Explain your reasoning for that, please. I've already shown that regardless if BC is telling the truth or lying, I'm clear.
No you haven't. You support lynch all liars, then apparently have continued to lie all game? I have proven you as a liar via my role. You just believe I am red and are trying to get me killed. Claiming this "hit" of yours in thread however would now give all night anti town kp roles a place to shoot. If you are town like you claim I will die and no one else and you will be proven a liar. If I do die as well as someone else, it proves I lied, but it does not clear you as a vig as with such a small setup town would not have two vigi's (1 being decon 1 being you) as that would be more town kp in a single night than mafia. In which case you would be proven red or sk.
So you claim I am lying, I now claim you are lying. As such only one of us can be right, but regardless of if I die it proves you are not town, whereas me living proves that I am in fact truthful(barring mafia stacking with you"kill")
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On July 01 2011 04:24 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:On July 01 2011 04:01 Caller wrote:
Yes I lied. I openly admit it. But it doesn't matter. I can lie as much as I want, but once you die tomorrow I am 100% proven clean town. Even if I lied to do so. No reason to lynch proven town at all.
Also, Fishball MUST be lying. If BC dies by himself (meaning only person that dies tomorrow is BC), first, I'm proven innocent as seen above. ???? How? did you not read BC telling the truth: I had 1 KP and it was used up. Therefore I cannot kill BC, therefore, I am not mafia. Either the mafia will kill him, or he will not die. If I were mafia, I would have infinite KP, as I had already said. BC lying: He is mafia, mafia cannot shoot other mafia, I shoot him with my 2nd (and last bullet), he dies, therefore I am not mafia.
As a general note, caller is lying in this statement. Mafia can shoot their own members, so me dying would reveal nothing on callers alignment. If two shots happen, he is likely sk, if 1 shot happens and its not on me, he is a 1 shot vig as I claimed.
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On July 01 2011 04:31 Caller wrote:
EBWOP: Let's say mafia can shoot their own members. First of all, they can't. Second of all, if they do, you admit that you are mafia. Then, sure, I may no longer be 100% confirmed, but what kind of mafia will bus not one but TWO of their members? Especially when they were in the middle of an otherwise impossible to break scheme that would allow them to run town around in circles?
Really? You want to go there?
Ace, can you come confirm in thread as you did to me in a pm all of 5 minutes ago that Mafia can indeed shoot their own? Or may I post the pm?
As for you saying I am red, I am proving you a liar at the moment. You say what Mafia would bus two of their own in this scheme when either of the players in question could be third party, town, mafia. We could have all 3 on this board. You don't account for many situations and skew the facts to confirm yourself. Without any flip of my role you are not proven at all. Without your flip you are not proven. You have claimed killing ggq, gmarshal, claimed 3 different roles, and are now claiming i am lying about my blue claim.
However my ability caught your one truthful claim in amongst all your lies. Just accept that and move on. Nothing confirms either of us but death and a flip. Or perhaps a cop could check you next.
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On July 01 2011 04:52 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:49 Jackal58 wrote:On July 01 2011 04:24 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:On July 01 2011 04:01 Caller wrote:
Yes I lied. I openly admit it. But it doesn't matter. I can lie as much as I want, but once you die tomorrow I am 100% proven clean town. Even if I lied to do so. No reason to lynch proven town at all.
Also, Fishball MUST be lying. If BC dies by himself (meaning only person that dies tomorrow is BC), first, I'm proven innocent as seen above. ???? How? did you not read BC telling the truth: I had 1 KP and it was used up. Therefore I cannot kill BC, therefore, I am not mafia. Either the mafia will kill him, or he will not die. If I were mafia, I would have infinite KP, as I had already said. BC lying: He is mafia, mafia cannot shoot other mafia, I shoot him with my 2nd (and last bullet), he dies, therefore I am not mafia. 1st I agree with your assertion that mafia cannot kill themselves. At least I have never been in a setup that allowed for it. But this is Ace's game so who the fuck knows. 2nd if BC is the only player hit tonight I still don't see how that would in any way indicate or confirm you are town. If scum and you both hit BC then BC is dead and you have your "mystery" bullet back. If only scum hit BC then that raises the probability of him telling the truth. Which means you are for some reason lying now which does town no good. If BC doesn't die the probability of you FB and BC all being scum or alternately batshit fucking insane goes through the roof. like i said i no longer care about whether or not im confirmed. But I've already shown logically and soundly that BC and Fishball are scum. You don't have to believe me whether or not I'm innocent or not. But are you seriously defending that BC and Fishball are not mafia? I wish I had more bullets, then.
Man are you going to feel bad when I flip town.
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On July 01 2011 04:54 Kurumi wrote:
BloodyCobbler suddenly bears a role which actually flips after death!
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Eh? I am referring to end game yo. I'm mocking caller in advance.
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On July 01 2011 05:02 Kurumi wrote:
So let's assume Caller is 3rd Party:
BC is lying about his role and Fishball is his bro.
Let's assume Caller is Mafia
Jerkcircle,BC,Caller and Fishball are remaining mafia.
You missed the situation where I could just be an asshole townie. Just saying
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On July 10 2011 10:58 citi.zen wrote:To shift topics a bit. From our vantage point, me and Sandroba could not figure out why BC would lie, since we knew he was town. So I was pretty sure at one point that the whole thing was a misunderstanding of this exchange: The tested statement really has two parts: one was true; one not so much, but could be interpreted as such, ex - one bullet that night. At any rate if Ace only provided a single true/false statement he may well have referred to the shooting of GM. I think BC could and should have made the case for his innocence, especially with FB confirming him as town. As I said in my initial post: don't freeze based on what you know happened (in this case, that you lied about the role). Start with the premise that you are clean, then look for ways to explain the world to fit that premise. Edit: as a red, I was terrified at the prospect BC was telling the truth. You could simply ask for everyone to write "I am not red" in a post and essentially you'd have another DT. Talk about taunting the mafia! BC made an interesting claim and clearly his reads of Caller and FB as town were correct. He just got... overly fancy. Playing "straight" and backing up FB and Caller in the thread would have created a very hard to stop force.
My reasoning for it was this. I was 100% sure on fishball, and I was fairly certain caller was a vig or if not a third party role. What I had wanted to happen was the kind of cluster fuck that did in turn happen. However, when I then told caller "i could just be being an asshole" I was seriously hoping that he would realize I had in fact lied and was using the entire claim as cover. I wanted to set up a situation that 2-3 of the group of us would survive the night. In the case two of us survived (would have been most likely myself or caller) my "claim" would have become legit in terms of thread. I was then going to use this to get radfield lynched, and then let mafia waste a shot on a "confirmed blue". It was a huge gamble and played entirely on Callers ability to realize what I was doing. I talked to caller after I died and he basically said "i thought you were lying but I know you as red pull off insanely ballsy shit so couldn't take the chance" and shot me for that reason primarily.
Had what I wanted to happen however worked out, last few reds would have been steamrolled.
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On July 11 2011 05:49 citi.zen wrote:
Like I said, good reads but the gamble didn't seem necessary.
You bring up another interesting point that was lost on most players: there was no way Caller would be red at that point in the game. At most he could be 3rd party, but not red. We knew it and were thrilled to get him lynched in short order, before anybody asked questions (anybody other than Chez, that is).
The game maybe wasn't necessary, but It was a hope to set myself up as a target for a mafia hit before caller. Also, as horrible as it sounds, almost everyone was trolling at the point I fake claimed and honestly the only way to really get discussion going I figured was to do something insanely outlandish.
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I do regret not posting my suspicions of radfield/citizen or sandroba though =(
I skyped sand almost the moment I died and called him out lol. I just honestly thought caller had caught on to my scheme and was onboard with it.
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