Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IV

On June 16 2011 21:08 CjrNinja wrote:
Looks like this is the game for all the people who didn't get modkilled in XL

Assuming this will start asap? Or are we waiting for a few backups to sign up?

On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:

1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?

Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)

Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)

On June 17 2011 06:29 freeloader625 wrote:


A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway.

On June 17 2011 06:50 gtrsrs wrote:


^doesn't get it
at all

On June 18 2011 07:57 gtrsrs wrote:


that's a great idea Drazerk and i approve 100%
now, how do you propose we go about finding out if there is a roleblocker?

On June 18 2011 08:13 aprudds wrote:
You do realize scum can claim role block right?

On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote:
How is this discussion pro town in any way?
Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.

What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.

Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.

Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.

Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.

Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks.

On June 18 2011 08:48 CjrNinja wrote:


Blues also have a 50/50 chance of guessing the setup too. All this discussion will serve is helping scum go bluehunting.
And don't forget that scum can very easily lie and claim blue anyway.

On June 18 2011 09:01 aprudds wrote:


Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you.

Let's break this post down shall we?

Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues.

Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town.

Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game.


Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots.

Especially when they combine it with this.

On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote:
Generic post not to be modkilled.....

To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.

Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?

On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote:
Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.

On June 18 2011 23:24 Pyo wrote:


You might not be, but I most certainly am. What is particularly suspicious about Drazek is how much his posting behavior has changed between last game and this one. Last game Drazek said almost nothing all game long. However, he's been perhaps the biggest talker this game. I suppose one could attribute this to being "more comfortable" with the smaller setting, but it's not like he increased his posted more at the end of the last game. This strikes me as very suspicious.

##Vote: Drazek

On June 19 2011 06:30 aprudds wrote:
Hey Drazerk, inactives will get modkilled. I'm sure you learned that from last game. You also seem a bit too eager to change focus from freeloader.

On June 19 2011 23:18 Pyo wrote:



This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.

My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.

On June 20 2011 02:58 Alderan wrote:


Are we letting this post slide?

Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.


Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.

This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.



Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.

On June 20 2011 02:58 Alderan wrote:


Are we letting this post slide?

Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.


Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.

This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.



Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.

On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
okay it's getting to be crunch time

i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.

Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.

I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.

##vote: Drazerk

On June 20 2011 03:40 gtrsrs wrote:



if you live through the day i will cry

On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
okay well 6 votes on me is enough.
i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now

i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.

on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.

between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia:
Drazerk
Xedat
Cjrninja
aprudds

again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.

On June 20 2011 03:57 gtrsrs wrote:


sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.

also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today

On June 20 2011 04:03 gtrsrs wrote:
if there are no counterclaims to medic and you vote me, you are gamethrowing, plain and simple.

On June 20 2011 04:10 supersoft wrote:
there won't be any counterclaims... If you're mafia, why should the real medic/DT counterclaim and give away his role, only to reinforce your lynch... That would be stupid pretty stupid... And if you are the real Medic and there isn't another powerrole, no one will counterclaim either.
What's the votecount so far?

On June 20 2011 04:13 gtrsrs wrote:
there's 6 on me
3 mafia 3 townies
the three townies need to switch votes to drazerk

On June 20 2011 04:31 gtrsrs wrote:
anyways we're running out of time here
i think town will not see the light
if there is a detective i highly recommend checking on Cjrninja instead of Xedat, aprudds, or Drazerk. i think when i flip medic it will be obvious that 2 of those 3 are mafia, and then it's just a question if the third is mafia or if cjrninja is the scum.

also, don't listen to the bullshit that Drazerk and aprudds and xedat will likely spew. it will sound like this "he was playing so badly we had no choice but to lynch him yada yada yada"

no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.

good luck y'all. i would point out who i think would be the viable town leader to listen to but i know whoever i point out will get killed tonight and i can't even protect them sorry. i would say i made a mistake this game but i honestly think my death is on freeloader's hands. mafia of course is going to rally onto someone else to take votes off their mafia. of course they're going to jump like vultures onto an easy kill. like i said earlier (which has been conveniently covered up by aprudds and drazerk spam), the fact that i wanted to go for Lord Vatti should have been enough to convince you i am town. my claim should have been unnecessary

you're all geniuses, true gentlemen, and undoubtedly stallions in bed. that being said, your logic is a bit, just a TINY bit lacking. good day

On June 20 2011 04:56 GMarshal wrote:

Votecount, Day 1

Drazek(2)
Pyo
Treadmill
aprudds
Xedat
gtrsrs

Treadmill(0)
supersoft

Lord Vatti(1)
gtrsrs
Drazerk
Alderan

supersoft(0)
CjrNinja

Alderan(0)
aprudds

gtrsrs(6)
freeloader625
Drazerk
Xedat
CjrNinja
aprudds
Pyo

aprudds(2)
omgCRAZY
supersoft

1 hours and 4 minutes or so remain. gtrsrs leading the vote count with six votes. Lord Vatti is at risk of getting modkilled ;_;. If I miscounted/missed a vote please point it out.

On June 20 2011 05:41 gtrsrs wrote:


okay that's enough for me
scum plan is to leave me alive so i get lynched tomorrow
this is great news. we can vote for drazerk (clearly scum), and i can get a save tonight. if i get a save both me and my saved will be informed and we'll be in a great spot. take your votes of aprudds. he could be mafia but i'm less sure of that as i am of drazerk.

##unvote: aprudds
##vote: drazerk

PLEASE CHANGE VOTES NOW THERE IS LITERALLY NO TIME

On June 20 2011 05:45 gtrsrs wrote:


i'm sure these guys have been reading the thread. if that's what it takes you to see the light, PM one of them to get confirmation that THEY would take their votes off me now.

On June 20 2011 05:49 gtrsrs wrote:
gtrsrs(4)
freeloader625
CjrNinja
aprudds
Pyo
Treadmill

aprudds(6)
omgCRAZY
supersoft
gtrsrs
Drazerk
alderan
xedat

drazerk (1)
gtrsrs


is this correct now?

On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote:
I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?

On June 20 2011 05:51 freeloader625 wrote:
Yes, I was watching MC vs Idra game. I just finished. Gtrsrs make a really good point now. After my own post of accusation, it seems like several people IMMediately hardcore jumped on bandwagon and tunneled him to no end. However that doesn't justify my change in vote. What does is the fact that gtrsrs just claimed blue.

What this means is if he really is blue we would suffer a huge loss. However if he isn't blue we'll know for certain when aprudds flips green.

Am I right here? Someone comment quickly!

On June 20 2011 05:52 freeloader625 wrote:
Wow you guys ninja post so fucking fast. I dont' want to lose blue so early so I have to make safest play.

##unvote gtrsrs

##vote: appruds

On June 20 2011 05:58 Treadmill wrote:
Oh ffs...

gtrsrs is screwing with you, town

aprudds is TOWN. gtrsrs just wants you to doubt yourselves.

Also Drazerk is also mafia.

This is so stupid.

On June 20 2011 05:59 Treadmill wrote:
gtrsrs is bandwagoning aprudds to save his own life.

Town would never do that.

On June 20 2011 06:14 gtrsrs wrote:
but i can't blame the town for lynching you
your tunneling of the un-cc'd medic and constant 1-liner spam and refusal to listen to the facts got you lynched.

we really should have lynched xedat or drazerk instead though

On June 20 2011 06:18 gtrsrs wrote:


i obviously won't

here's why the mafia bandwagoned off of me:
they have a roleblocker who they will apply to me.

if they didn't have the roleblocker they would have kept their votes on me. but just like i pointed out earlier, a claimed blue is a worthless blue.

luckily, that means that we have this set-up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective

so the detective will be free to get accurate reports as long as i'm locked up by the hooker. not that we should need them though. we have 2 mafia in the bag, we only need to find the third.

On June 20 2011 06:24 Treadmill wrote:


Seriously....


Also:

Explaining, already, why he isn't gonna get murdered tonight.

gtrsrs is scum. Drazerk is scum.

Do I really need to explain why? Oh, probably, I guess. I'll start working on a post now, get it out before the night post in case I get stabbed (probably not, but who knows).

On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote:
treadmill just stop
i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious.
i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum.
please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG.
we're not going to focus on me
there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.

we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.

On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote:
treadmill just stop
i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious.
i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum.
please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG.
we're not going to focus on me
there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.

we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.

On June 20 2011 06:32 gtrsrs wrote:


yes, "we," the town, are going to focus on scum now
we are not going to be derailed by accusations on me
what do you think i meant

On June 20 2011 06:38 gtrsrs wrote:
okay here's what i see going down
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective

tonight the mafia kill a townie. it will not be me for stated reasons. i will be blocked instead. so there's a 1/6 chance to hit detective. let's assume they do not hit detective

tomorrow we'll have
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective

we lynch Xedat, as although Drazerk is definitely scum, i don't think the roleblocker would put himself in such light. if xedat is the roleblocker we're in good shape. we'll start night 2 with the following:

2 Mafia Goons, 4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective

with the hooker dead, the mafia *might* kill me. it depends on how tomorrow goes. if you guys put FoS's on me and whatnot, they'll keep me alive. if we just trust me that i'm the medic, i'll die. i'm hoping for the second. why do i hope to die? because if i die that means the detective will not.

day 3 we'll have
2 Mafia Goons, 4 Town, 1 Detective

whereupon we'll lynch drazerk. by now the detective will have 2 reports. his reports will not be on me, drazerk, or xedat, so he'll have a 2/5 chance of hitting a mafia. if he's got a guilty he outs it and we win. if not we scumhunt and win on day 4.

i like the look of this

On June 20 2011 06:52 Treadmill wrote:
lol

you guys are so obvious

On June 20 2011 06:59 Treadmill wrote:
So, Draz, your defence is that you did "a last moment save" and your defence is also that you"lead the charge against him".

On June 20 2011 07:03 gtrsrs wrote:


treadmill
he's trying to buddy buddy me to tie us together.
i'm convinced that he's mafia but i am confirmed medic
don't waste your time trying to get me lynched. i've already defended myself, and you're always wrong anyways, no matter how many paragraphs you write. if you're going to target someone, please take a look at drazerk, or do a more thorough analysis of Xedat based on mine from earlier in the thread.

On June 20 2011 07:05 gtrsrs wrote:
drazerk
please stop confirming my plans
you are the most blatantly obvious scum to ever have existed and every time you buddy me it kills my credibility
for the love of god

On June 20 2011 08:12 Alderan wrote:
I can not believe that we let them get away with this guys........


Look the entire day there were 2 people that everyone thought were the most scummy, Gtrsrs and Drazerk. What happened?!

We now just miss lynched a green without gaining ANY information. The Drazerk/gtrsrs feud almost solidifies in my mind the theory that 1 is maf and 1 isn't.

The fact that gtrsrs orchestrated a bandwagon on someone with little to no scum tells is mindblowing, and is either incredibly scummy or incredibly stupid. Tomorrow we're going to have to decide which.

On June 20 2011 10:24 aprudds wrote:
Damn guys, I leave 20 minutes before the lynch and it turns out I die.

Ahh well, I'm a bit disappointed. GL town.

On June 21 2011 02:22 gtrsrs wrote:


trying to be ironic or do YOUR feet just taste that good?


DT i think that Pyo might be worth a check. last game i felt like he was a strong player who saw the evidence, analyzed it correctly, voiced his opinion clearly, and made good decisions. this game he's been sniping, shutting down conversation, making poor decisions publicly, and overall just being a scumbucket. it's entirely possible that he's the third mafia, which would make sense, as he would definitely be the ring-leader type prompting Drazerk to up his posting, agree with me, etc. he could have also told xedat and drazerk to ship aprudds and take him down once i claimed. it seems like something he would be capable of thinking of.

On June 21 2011 02:54 gtrsrs wrote:
xedat and drazerk are our only confirmed mafia
i've said several times i'm not sure on the third
i told the town to take their votes off of aprudds, drazerk confirmed him as town
third mafia is either cjrninja or pyo right now but i could be way off with that.

On June 21 2011 04:43 Pyo wrote:


Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...

On June 21 2011 05:13 gtrsrs wrote:


he changed his vote because i claimed medic, so they know they can keep me locked down with roleblocker and target another townie. as soon as drazerk jumped votes we should have lynched drazerk. i don't know how no one else is seeing this

On June 20 2011 05:47 Drazerk wrote:


Ok thats it

TAKE VOTES OFF OF HIM

AND VOTE FOR ME IF YOU SO WISH

its better having a townie die than a possible medic

On June 21 2011 06:50 gtrsrs wrote:
Xedat and Drazerk are both 100% scum
Xedat is wishy washy on the rare occasions he does post
Drazerk posts frequently and seems to be trying to appear pro-town

we get to lynch 1 today

why not get rid of the quiet one?

On June 21 2011 07:08 omgCRAZY wrote:
The Town nut! WTF. Is it also just coincidence that my neighbours house blew up recently?
Oh well GG guys. Find and kill those scum that did this!

On June 21 2011 07:49 supersoft wrote:


oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that

On June 21 2011 08:36 gtrsrs wrote:


no, this isn't true
i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either

On June 21 2011 08:52 Treadmill wrote:

Or gtrsrs and you are both scum.

On June 21 2011 08:52 Treadmill wrote:

Or gtrsrs and you are both scum.

On June 21 2011 09:48 gtrsrs wrote:



stop being naive
drazerk has been buddying me all game since i claimed so that you would think these exact thoughts
drazerk is 100% mafia, i am the medic
stop trying to tie us together, it's what he wants

On June 23 2011 06:13 Treadmill wrote:
Hey, gtrsrs, Drazerk, can you guys do me a favour and kill me tonight?

On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case
i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry

On June 23 2011 07:19 Treadmill wrote:

And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!

On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:


I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I

On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:


EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<

And I was sick of it

On June 23 2011 07:48 Treadmill wrote:

Of course there is. We lynch gtrsrs, then we lynch Drazerk, then we figure out who the third mafioso is and lynch him. It's only gtrsrs and Draz that're trying to get town to give up and gg out.

On June 23 2011 07:53 Alderan wrote:


Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?...........

Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion.

I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game.

The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.

On June 24 2011 06:06 Pyo wrote:
First of all, yes I was lying.

Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.

Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.

On June 24 2011 06:53 Treadmill wrote:

Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.

On June 24 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:


I am no longer Martyring we now know I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on

I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today

On June 24 2011 07:01 supersoft wrote:
Drazerk, please don't flood our conversation. I don't get the sense of most of your posts anyway.

On June 28 2011 07:56 CjrNinja wrote:
My inactivity has been largely based on irl stuff and a lack of enthusiasm for playing after the thread died. Sorry to all (especially town) for being useless and not asking for a replacement after day1.

Remaining alignments:

Treadmill, Cjrninja, Drazerk.
Supersoft, freeloader625

Called it.