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On June 23 2011 07:12 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case
i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry This is pretty much the case we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys The town has fallen GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
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On June 23 2011 07:22 Pyo wrote:
The game isn't over yet. Give me a sec. I think that there is still a winning strategy for town.
Of course there is. We lynch gtrsrs, then we lynch Drazerk, then we figure out who the third mafioso is and lynch him. It's only gtrsrs and Draz that're trying to get town to give up and gg out.
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On June 23 2011 07:53 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 23 2011 07:19 Treadmill wrote:On June 23 2011 07:12 Drazerk wrote:On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case
i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry This is pretty much the case we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys The town has fallen GG Mafia Well played And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along! I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.< And I was sick of it Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?........... Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion. I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game. The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.
I've been suspicious of supersoft too, but I think we should leave targetting the third guy until we've lynched gtrsrs and Drazerk. That gives us two more rounds to see how people post/vote/etc. Also if we're wrong about one of those two (I don't think we are but we can always be wrong) the game's over so it doesn't really matter. Mainly I don't want to start looking for mafia #3 because I want to give them a little bit of rope so that they hopefully hang themselves.
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Ugh. I kinda wish you hadn't claimed until after the mafia kill. Because if gtrsrs is medic then the mafia can role-block him and kill you tonight. And if he's mafia then the mafia just kill you tonight. And there's no way for us to know the difference.
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EBWOP: that was @Pyo
On June 23 2011 09:31 CjrNinja wrote:
Sorry Xedat T.T
However, there is still hope! Now that Pyo has claimed, we can figure out who the mafia are with good old process of elimination. Pyo and Gtrsrs are blue. Freeloader got checked by Pyo was told green. Alderan is telling the truth about his roleblock, and I'm the final vanilla townie!
Pyo
Gtrsrs
Freeloader
Alderan
CjrNinja
Which leaves three people.
Supersoft
Treadmill
Drazerk
This is assuming both Pyo and gtrsrs are telling the truth. If not, then i gg lol.
Except gtrsrs is lying. I really don't know what else to say about him at this point.
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Oh good grief. This is just depressing.
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On June 23 2011 09:59 CjrNinja wrote:
Ok then, just for you, lets entertain the notion that gtrsrs is lying. (The real medic would have counterclaimed by now so we can say that setup 4 is in play for this scenario)
Pyo is telling the truth.
Pyo
Freeloader
Myself
Treadmill
Supersoft
gtrsrs lied about medic
Alderan lied about being roleblocked.
drazerk
How does that look to you?
I don't think that your assumption is necessarily correct. So, if there is a medic who isn't gtrsrs please claim. Because things are getting pretty stupid.
[btw the problem with your initial reasoning is that you could literally sub any of me, Draz, or supersoft out for you and still hold - supersoft could claim, well, pyo and gtrsrs are blue, alderan and fl are green, I'm green, so Draz, Treadmill, and Cjr must be the mafia.]
Honestly I'm not too worried about the he said - she said, cause pretty much anything can come from a mafia or a town perspective (Alderan could be claiming role-block because he's town and he was, or because he's mafia and he knows there isn't one, or because he's mafia and he knows there is a role-blocker but nobody got role-blocked).
I trust Pyo because he's been playing fairly pro-town, and town is so close to losing that I have to have some trust.
I don't trust gtrsrs because he's been playing extremely anti-town. So I really think that he's mafia because of this.
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##Vote: Alderan
Pretty clear now that he's lying. I'm glad gtrsrs is dead, even if he was the medic. It clears a lot of things up. Votes do have to be unanimous now anyways.
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On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote:
Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
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Drazerk and supersoft have, I think, been the top FoS's for most people already, so we should probably lynch one of them tomorrow anyways.
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On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote:Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game? Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote:
Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, " fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say. ##vote: Drazerk
The posting dried up because gtrsrs died 
Hmmm. At this point I've actually become relatively convinced of Drazerk's innocence.
1. Mafia knew that gtrsrs was definitely medic, we didn't. Drazerk defended gtrsrs quite a bit day two when a lynch on him would've been obviously in the mafia's favour, also when defending him would make himself MORE suspicious.
2. Draz has gone out of his way to draw attention to himself and to be suspicious, which mafia would not do.
3. Draz was attacking Alderan on day one when nobody else was and there was no reason to start busing / WIFOM'ing.
4. Pyo is smarter than me and he fingered supersoft not Drazerk.
Going by the reasoning that one of those two is mafia, from Alderan's confused bussing, I think that supersoft is a much better target today (especially considering that Alderan draws much more attention to Drazerk than supersoft, which to me says Draz is the fake bus and supersoft is mafia). Ignoring Alderan's confusing post supersoft seems much more scummy than anyone else. So,
##vote: supersoft
I'd encourage the other two townies to do the same. We need town consensus today again. Given that I will change my vote later on this turn if the voting starts to get dirty.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2011 17:09 Drazerk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote:Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game? Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote:
Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, " fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say. ##vote: Drazerk On June 24 2011 07:00 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:On June 24 2011 06:53 Treadmill wrote:On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote:
Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier. I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out. Still possibly worked  But we need to all vote unanimously at the moment votes would be spread - Drazerk, Supersoft and Freeloader (aka Mafia win) I am going to hold my vote for now but we don't have an easy Mafia target like yesterday. Freeloader if you are town we CANNOT be voting for different people so I encourage you to change it or you will have lost us the game. If you don't change it your pretty much scum leading them into a easy win
Good grief, Drazerk. Its posts like this that made me think you scum in the first place. You're right, we need to build a consensus. You know what that requires? Voting. At this point in the game, delaying your vote will only help the mafia game the system.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote:Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch. luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing: Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure! Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two + Show Spoiler +
(I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too)
So we are all morons because we band-wagonned gtrsrs, whereas you have the distinction, night one, of having.... bandwagonned Aprudds? Um. Right.'
+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote:
Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
Alderan was not looking for someone to claim DT. He was clearly scum, and knew he was being bussed (it was 100% clear that he was scum here, in retrospect - had he actually been role-blocked he would have been certain there was a DT, not wishy-washy). Had the mafia, as you propose, planned for one of them to claim DT at this point Alderan's point would have been much more certain in that direction. Also it would have happened before he posted this.
You're really grasping at straws here. I just went from maybe 90% sure on you to 95%.
Thanks for the words about Cjr. Helps point the way to the third member of your club.
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Hmmmm.
Hmmmm.
Thinking.
Just checking in to let you know I'm still paying attention to this thread. Cjr IS mega-lurking right now and the longer he does it the scummier he is.
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So it goes, Cjr.
##Unvote: supersoft
##Vote: CjrNinja
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Oh well, shoulda stuck with supersoft. I guess town just got really demoralized this game, thats why I didnt post as much as the game went on anyways. GG.
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On June 29 2011 06:24 Pyo wrote:I totally knew it!!! Alderan gave away supersoft with this post!!!Grrr... I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play. I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.
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On June 29 2011 07:05 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 06:34 Treadmill wrote:On June 29 2011 06:24 Pyo wrote:I totally knew it!!! Alderan gave away supersoft with this post!!!Grrr... I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play. I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently. Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first. Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.
Oh, I see. Interesting. I hadn't quite understood that as being your strategy. I think you may have been overthinking things a little since the mafia may have just killed gtrsrs anyways, even if they thought you were DT.
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Alderan comitting suicide was kinda ineveitable at that point. I'd love to see the mafia forum too though.
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From the ban list thread
On June 29 2011 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
in my defense i was getting bandwagoned (by a clever mafia to be fair)
how are you still saying this when everyone that voted for you flipped green
gtrsrs, please do not try to claim that you bear no responsibility for the loss. You claimed you knew all the mafia, 100%, listing CjrNinja, Xedat, and Drazerk. All three were town. You flamed and you spammed up the thread for completely wrong suspicions, distracting the town and letting the mafia hide. If you can't realize that I really don't want to ever play another game with you in it.
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