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On June 18 2011 10:16 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
So out of curiosity, WHY did you say you're a good DT check if you you DON'T need help defending yourself? That's just a wasted DT check if you're capable of such an act. Because I want DTs to mason me. That way we can better coordinate town actions. Dts, don't mason me until I am not the lynch target. That would be a waste.
For starters this is one of the dumbest things I have read in the entire thread, and I assure you have a read a lot of dumb things in this thread.
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^^hell, you wrote most of 'em amirite?
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To Varpulis
FudgeMunkey, why did you feel it was necessary to explain the mechanics of KP when nobody asked about them?
Why did you vote for sinani without posting in the thread?
Why was your only comment about the lynch targets just agreeing with Youngminii about ilovejonn being scummy?
I'd like an explanation, because right now scum bells are ringing in my head.
Well I shall answer your questions.
1. I felt it was necessary to explain the mechanics of KP, because Kenpachi asked wether KP mean't KenPachi or KillPower.
Yes you are right now one asked anyone to explain the mechanics of KP, but i thought it would be nice to get it out of the way for anyone who didn't quite know what it meant.
2/3. To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'. I was however going to change my vote to Grassgiraffe because he has not contributed to the town at all.
I agreed with Youngminii about voting for Sinani becuase he proved a point, Also i never actually voted for Ilovejohn...
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Been reading Mig's posts to look for any crumbs. Mostly, it seems like he's just giving thoughts, only person I think he possibly crumbed is sandroba (innocent) in this post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 14:47 Mig wrote:
Thoughts
aidnai - aidnai posted in n0 that medics should ignore what BC said and protect the people on the zodiac list. Mafia then proceeded to blue snipe with 2 of their shots and shoot kita, someone unlikely to get medic protection on the Z list. Obviously this isn't even close to hard evidence but people should remember that aidnai pushed for a plan that was what the mafia either wanted or took advantage of n0. Besides that though I don't really have any problem with his posts, and he is active enough that I think he would be a bad day 1 lynch.
ilj - I am suspicious of. I played with him last game where he was scum. He seems a lot more outspoken right now in defending himself than he did then. But he said repeatedly at the end of the game how bad he played etc. I am sure he planned on changing his meta for the next time he was scum. So I find it very suspicious when he tells youngminii don't try to meta me because I may just be trying to play differently. If he is trying to play differently it is much much more likely that he would be trying to adjust his scum play and not his town play. Still though he has been decently active and outspoken in defending himself so he is not my preferred lynch for day1.
sinani - my preferred day 1 lynch. I played with sinani when he was scum in XXXIX. One of the main things sinani did that game was try to look like he was contributing without actually helping at all. He posted a list on inactives without commenting on it and he posted an extremely half-assed and nonsensical analysis of his thoughts on all the current players. He is doing the exact same thing here. He has posted several times criticizing other people's thoughts and telling various people to step up and start scum hunting without actually doing a single thing to contribute himself. His play to me seems consistent with his scum play in XXXIX
So I am voting sinani.
Brief thoughts on a couple other players
Sandroba - bad plan day 1 but I am not suspicious of him. It is more likely for townies to introduce large/risky plans at the start of the game than it is for mafia since it draws a lot of attention and scrutiny to the player. Also just feels to me like he had town's best interests in mind but didn't completely think through the possible risks.
node/impervious/ggq - I know all 3 of these players can contribute actively and be very pro town. The game is still early but people should keep their eyes on them if they don't become more active.
Not even sure about that, because I would not have been checking sandroba if I was DT...maybe another pair of eyes would be good.
Random stuff:
On June 15 2011 03:17 syllogism wrote:
The only plan the town needs is everyone contributing, relentless analysis and focus on the most suspicious players. As noted, this is a standard game, the mason mechanic aside, so there's no way to break the game.
Would love to see you follow your own advice a bit more dude.
Jacinto/GG get awards for most hardcore lurking--won't be shocked if they get modkilled sooner or later.
Fudgemunkey has not weighed in on a single relevant issue. look at his posts: they are all in regards to either game mechanics or RoL's hare-brained ideas. ILJ/sinani/aidnai debate? nope. hiro? nope. nothing about night kills, night actions, no interaction AT ALL. yet, he's around to answer questions nobody asked or defend himself. This dude is very suspicious, to say the least.
I want to hear from Mataza and demorcerf what they think of hiro/fudgemunkey or any other scum target they have.
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I'd be interested in hearing from DeMorcerf too. He was actually brought up as a potential lynch candidate on Day 1, along with GG, and Lazorbear, but after making a couple posts, all scrutiny was removed, and people seemed to forget about him, more or less. This seems a bit odd for me, considering people were going to lynch him for lurking, that he was forgotten after two posts, while still continuing to lurk. Like I said, I'm interested in hearing more from you.
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Everyone, do me a favour. Click that "All" button at the page numbers, type ctrl+F and look up rebirthoflegend.
How the fuck is that not scummy. Here are some golden quotes.
On June 14 2011 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
err, guys. Just to point something out. It's "mason" not "manson" "mansion" or any other aberration of the word.
On a game related note. This is a NORMAL set up, regardless of whatever this silly PM mechanic is. Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk.
Think of it this way, in a normal set up with the ability to PM, would you ever recommend a mass role claim Day 2? No, so why the hell would this be any different? Hint: It's not.
Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up.
My next set of grievances would be that.
1. We can't be sure of your alignment.
2. This plan sucks.
3. I don't know anything of your ability to competently deal with an influx of PM's and sort out the bullshit from the nonbullshit.
4. Plan sucks.
NOTE: He came up with the 'plan' to mass mason him. I have actually mason'd him and he's literally done NOTHING about it. We've sent each other 3 PMs basically saying 'sup'. Why the fuck would you make half the town mason you when you're literally not going to do a single thing about it?
On June 14 2011 16:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I currently just received another masoning, which brings me to 6. Still waiting on others. Ideally I would like to have minimum of 10 people.
FOR WHAT?
On June 14 2011 17:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
medics protect me, problem solved. My goal is different then sandroba's because he wanted to form some half assed blue circle. I am going to use it to kill mafia. I don't use it just to scum hunt, but also to town confirm. Process of elimination baby!
That's bullshit, it's the exact same reason as sandroba and you managed to word it differently.
On June 15 2011 03:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
there is no framing in this game. Stop talking about it. Holy shit.
I know where I am placing my bomb tonight, this is ridiculous.
WHY WOULD YOU SOFT CLAIM MAD HATTER? ON THE FIRST NIGHT? Nah this is just scum pretending to leave bread crumbs.
On June 15 2011 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 05:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, I haven't thought about that, if I'm mafia I would probably be auto elected GF on the off chance the plan might go through, so it's more risky than I originally thought for you guys to trust it. Then again I know I'm not mafia, so if you think so aswel go ahead and proceed with the plan.
The plan does not exclude analysis, it only speeds up the process of clearing and confirming the subjects of analysis. Let's supose there is a list of suspicious people based on behaviour and voting paterns on a previous inocent lynch. I can organize DTs/Vigs to check supicious players on that list and hit the dubious lurkers more efficiently.
It does not stops or hinders any kind of discussion, and it's not like the opinion of the "circle" will be taken at face value either (because even the "circle" does not know each other). Even if a guy is confirmed does not mean he's right as we can tell from many previous games.
The plan I'm sugesting is merely an optimization tool for the efficiency of our blues. The plan itself is blue efficient because it's player list dependant and it's not "required" to work. If no DTs check me or if I die night 0 due to no medic protect we can move on with our lifes.
You guys can figure out if I'm mafia or not, hopefully. (clue: I'm not) I have a better method of organizing blues that doesn't involve a potentially scum third party and is completely transparent to the town. X,Y,Z,1,2 are all inactive players. I take the player count (30) divide by 5. we get groups of 6. if you are a DT/Vig between 1-6 shoot/check X If you are a DT/Vig between 7-12 shoot/check Y If you are a DT/Vig between 13-18 shoot/check Z If you are a DT/Vig between 19-24 shoot/check 1 If you are a DT/Vig between 25-30 shoot/check 2 Minimal overlap, rapes lurkers, don't need some shitty plan that gets you killed, the best part of it is that anyone can make the list of who to check/vig and it can be carried out.
What the fuck nonsense is this.
On June 15 2011 07:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:
RoL, if I recall correctly your own plan hinges on people trusting you and 1-2 Docs randomly protecting you just in case you get targeted.
You don´t plan to achieve anything, except that you are able to pressure scum to slip.
Your assumption is, that scum buy *themselves* into a blatant trap.
And then you hope scum, after you told everyone what exactly you intend to do, will still slip carelessly.
You being able to scumhunt via PM is a pure assumption. You are convinced it is so, but everyone else has just to hope you are actually that good.
I don´t think your plan is any better, espcially for the part where you tie up half the masoning ability of the whole town. Without any tangible benefit.
You might as well get manipulated by a persuasive scum.
There is no guarantee you won´t except for your promise to be Superman in PM-Land. All I need to say to this is, I am that good. My track record speaks for itself.
The only track record necessary in my eyes is this game. It scream out "HAS DONE NOTHING"
On June 15 2011 22:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours.
On June 16 2011 17:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days.
Seriously? You get half the town to mason you then you make excuses about how you've been inactive? Nonononononono.
"but youngminii you have the let him fly! just wait for him to spread his wings and soar gracefully over the shitfest that TL Mafiaa XLII has become!"
On June 17 2011 04:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
That's it, Lynch kenpachi. This is ridiculous. You are retarded, and trying to read words off a rock is going to be annoying, so I say we are better off just getting you out of the way right now.
This is not flying, this is madness.
On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now.
Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning.
WHAT REASONING
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
On June 17 2011 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia.
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You said this in the day. I don't even know why'd you say this, it's just stupid.
On June 17 2011 18:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 17:22 Node wrote:On June 17 2011 15:54 youngminii wrote:
Sorry I wasn't awake for the lynch, I might have changed my vote to hiro (I agree with Varpulis's post against him) but that doesn't really matter anymore.
So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right? If RoL is blue (and the safe money is on he isn't) he's a vet trying to draw a mafia shot by claiming everything under the sun. But the fact that Kenpachi of all people realized that he's playing terribly should underline just how useless RoL has been so far this game. I also fail to understand how Kenpachi is pointing out a blue when he calls RoL the GF. Remember that time I carried you in Merc Mafia? don't hate~~ just hand grenade
He just used past experiences to gain cred even though he's done literally jackall for this game. I did this once too (it was Mafia XXX that was analysed by Ver, just in case you're curious). This is a big factor in the reason why I personally believe he's mafia, but I know most of you won't accept this as a point in my argument.
On June 17 2011 18:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice.
Why are you playing this game. He makes half of town claim to him, does nothing, pulls this shit?? He's giving excuses for being inactive later. ALERT ALERT THIS IS SCUMMY.
On June 18 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Isnt scamp one of them Vets? yeah i think he might be linked to RoL if he is linked to anyone at all. Things like this is why you were supposed to be killed last night. damn it.
This just looks like he's taunting town to see how far he can get away with it. I'm sure it is too.
Him being mafia can also explain his whole "DTs don't check anyone in the Zodiac list (including me)!!!"
What do you have to say RoL? Because at this point you look FAR scummier than Kenpachi or even Hiro is.
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@aidnai and wiggles:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2011 08:45 aidnai wrote:
...(@DeMorcerf)
Tell me who is scum. @aidnai With my inexperience, I'm not going to claim to know anyone is definitively mafia -- I will post to say what strikes me as particularly suspicious or strange. (I'll post my opinion on hiro after I sleep.) wiggles and someone else pointed a finger at GGQ on d1, I don't see it yet; he seems to be playing similar to game I played with him before where he was town. @wiggles, I don't think I was brought as a candidate for lynching except by sandroba, who then retracted saying he had misread my post. Either way, I understand why you'd be bothered by my lack of contribution; it's not intentional.
On grassg and jacinto:
+ Show Spoiler +In my opinion, I would have thought that if grassg or jacinto were mafia, their teammates would have given them better direction by now, but by the same token if they were overwhelmed newb town they could have made some note of that as well. It's suspicious certainly, but they just seem quite inactive or disinterested. On Jacinto, he made his first post in a few different threads before finding the right one, it was a decent enough post, but his second and last post advocated killing lurkers that don't start posting because "if we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble" -- that was over 32 hours ago, (I'll admit I got busy and was afk for a similar time period) so maybe he'll still return. But grassg's lack of any real post seems unlikely to change; why didn't he just let himself be modkilled.
FudgeMunkey and RoL had an extensive exchange at the start where Fudge told people not to mason RoL (or mason in general til later in the game). Then: + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote:
Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'...
It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid...
They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue.
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RoL, I agree with YM. Your uselessness is reckless at this point, and it's obvious that it's intentional. Are you waiting for a certain percentage of the town to call you to action or something? Anyone I've asked has said you're at the very least okay at this game, I'm just not seeing it in THIS game.
I honestly hope I'm not the only person to do this. He either doesn't want to play, is scum, or is waiting for the proper amount of pressure. The answer to all three options is a vote.
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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To DeMorcef
What bothers me the most about FudgeM is "To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'". Why would a town cast a vote for (at the time) a major lynch candidate without fully reading up first; that's horrible! Should we read this as, a scum who knows sinani is town (not that I'm sure sinani is town or not), or was told by his accomplices to cast this vote, even though he hasn't had time to actually read the thread?
I understand your anger with me for not reading through the whole thread before posting, I have been busy with School work and so forth and I didn't want to get mod killed. I have read through the pages I have missed out on and I am pritty sure I'm up to date with the rest of you.
On another note,
I agree with Youngminii and VisceraEyes, RoL hasn't been putting the most useful information into this thread and the posts he ends up posting end up with him taunting the town as Youngminii stated.
+ Show Spoiler +I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice.
Obviously he'd rather do something else than be in this game and he is a Waste of Space...
He is obviously taunting the town to see how long he will last and so far it seems to be working, NO ONE IS VOTING FOR HIM.
Before I cast my vote into his/her basket I shall read more of the thread to make my decision final (just to make sure DeMorcef will be happy!)
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I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.
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I can't tell if RebirthOfLeGenD just doesn't care or if he incredibly scummy. Either way,
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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Kenpachi should also be policy lynched/vigged every game for playing like that. I don't know why he is allowed to get away with it.
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woah syllogism, my emotions they hurt.
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On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.
Might be day for you but its morning for us..
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On June 18 2011 17:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
woah syllogism, my emotions they hurt.
Hey i have to tell you something if you're town. Did you give up cause im not dying? you will be so shocked when you ask Flamewheel for the rolelist once you're dead because im a townie. I wouldnt be surprised if you were Mafia though.
Just showing you some light if you ARE actually town because you have no reason to give up.
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On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.
It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow.
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On June 18 2011 18:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2. It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow.
Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory.
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On June 18 2011 18:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 18:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2. It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow. Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory.
Or you should learn more about the players on said list. I urged the town to lynch an inactive on day 1. Why? Because no one could agree on any one target during day 1. The few who were up on the docket were the first accused on very very weak analysis. Analysis is something that newer players should realize is not something that is magically done day 1. There is little to no information and barring some insane scum slip it is very hard to net a red. It is even harder when the activity of a thread is so low that half the players all appear the same level of shady.
With luck this game day will provide a good amount of posts to spend the hour to 2 hours writing out a pbp analysis of someone, but as of right now I am heading off to work. If luck is with me I shall have an hour or two mid to late afternoon before I take off to bartend a wedding.
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I´m very disappointed to see RoL is indeed not Superman of PM Land, he is not even PM-Batman, at best PM-Robin, the hypocrisy wonder.
Back to post my thoughts in order:
All 3 of the nightkills could be explained by the observation that Blues contribute as well as they can, but lurk most of the time. People told me this is not what a blue should be doing, but apparently they do it anyways.
I think this works more or less for all 3 dead people.
Or alternatively, since many people lurk this game, I think it´s entirely possible that at least 1 or them claimed in PMs, like Viscera assumes.
If Mig did breadcrumb his Night 0 check, then it is most likely Sandroba. If he didn´t, it is likely he told someone via PM.
Which is kinda bad since then he very likely PMed it to scum and probably scum only.
A thought which crossed my mind:+ Show Spoiler +When RoL claimed his cop check came in, he talked about a cop that is in his mason circle.
Linking Mig and RoL together, I think this could be a scenario:
Mig had guilty check on Kenpachi. After some back and forth with RoL he decides to trust him anyway and make RoL claim it(RoL is supposedly a hive mind thing, being the target of a lot of masonings)
But RoL is scum and had to claim exactly as Mig said to not alarm him.
Then scum proceed to kill Mig.
The end of this line of thought is RoL and Kenpachi are both scum.
Kenpachi was checked by Mig, Mig told RoL.
RoL is forced to bus Ken and does bus him in the weakest way he can, so people don´t take it seriously.
Then Mig is killed.
So if one of Kenpachi and RoL flips scum at any point, that doesn´t mean the other is cleared.
So yeah, that´s about the 3 possible scneraios I see so far:
- Scum hit lucky, Mig checked Sandroba and breadcrumbed it.
- Scum hit because they were claimed to, Mig told scum so we will never know.
- Mig masoned someone else, claimed to them and then proceeded to die.
Aside from that conspiracy theory, I still want RoL to shape the fuck up.
His attitude sucks big time.
Wasting mason abilities and then not doing anything with it is very suspicious behaviour, so he gets my vote.
##vote Rebirth of Life
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