EPTI'm gonna take this back, all town kp should be hitting RoL tonight. No reason to take chances, you'll get your bullets back if someone else kills him.
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I'm gonna take this back, all town kp should be hitting RoL tonight. No reason to take chances, you'll get your bullets back if someone else kills him. | ||
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On June 24 2011 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Note, I didn't say "PROVE my statement" I said "PROVE the credibility of my statement". You just keep digging yourself into a hole, Mataza. And GGQ, the fact that you're only questioning and responding to me leads me to believe that you're defending Mataza and it WILL be reflected on your permanent record.  Everyone has always been aware that what you're suggesting is a possibility, we're just saying that it's highly unlikely. By making your big post on the situation, you're suggesting that it's in fact probable, or even the most likely explanation. That's what I'm disagreeing with. Mafia is never a game of complete information (well almost never). You just figure out what's most likely and go from there. If you really think that this is the most likely explanation, then fine, but I really really don't, and I'm going to argue against it because if you convince people then you are going to let RoL slip away for the third (3rd!!!) time this game. That's why I changed my mind and said that every town KP should be on RoL tonight. In case you convince some of them, the ones with their heads screwed on straight need to get the job done. | ||
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On June 24 2011 09:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, so here is the thing. I was never a vig. BC claimed vig to me. Tonight I told BC to kill GGQ, if he fails to follow through then we must assume he is mafia. lolumad lynch BC if I die | ||
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On June 25 2011 07:01 Shraft wrote: I think you know the reason as to why we don't speak as much as you guys. Don't be silly. Whatever your reason is, it's bad. Even if you think you don't have anything valuable to contribute, you need to talk so we can figure out your alignment. Lurkers all look the same. Players with posts look different. | ||
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On June 25 2011 09:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yeah, this game is pretty disgusting. That is literally 1/5th of the total players of the game who haven't done shit. Nearly a third if you count GGQ and wiggles too, who both also haven't done anything. Oh please, when did you get the right to talk like this in this game? When you put on a flurry of activity just before you were lynched? Twice? Give me a break. I approve of the initiative to make lurkers talk, but it's lylo and we can't fuck around with our votes. Please tell me we're going to lynch RoL at the end of the day. | ||
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On June 25 2011 11:29 Mataza wrote: What is your plan beyond lynching RoL? I don´t have any. If we lynch RoL, a combination of Wiggles, you and me is being shot tonight, which leaves tomorrow to one guy who talks at all. And to win we must get to the day *after* that. Or we have a really good vig in the audience. I don´t want anymore. I´m not here to tell others what to think and who to vote. There is 1 scum or more in the 6 lurkers. If we can´t find him now, good luck finding him later. (Hint: He is not going to say anything) (Another hint: The others aren´t going to say anything either) Lynch Fudgemonkey tomorrow. RoL made 2 analysis when it looked like he was gonna die, on youngminii and fudgemonkey. However, he made the fudgemonkey analysis contingent on youngminii flipping red (and insisted on YM being killed before FM, even when other people were more willing to lynch FM). Thus, when YM flipped green, it neatly cancelled out his big 'analysis' on fudgemonkey, making FM look better. There's some WIFOM there, yeah, but combined with FM's natural scumminess, it's enough to make him by far my #2 target. After, that hopefully I'll be dead and I won't have to worry about it anymore lol. Primary directive is making sure RoL doesn't somehow live through being obvious scum just by the force of his posting. The guy's head is swollen enough already, I don't need to see him bragging about that next game. | ||
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On June 25 2011 12:04 FudgeMunkey wrote: Rather than lynching me save the lynches for actual mafia. If you really want me dead then just Vig me at night... Who do you want to lynch then? | ||
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On June 25 2011 14:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have been active almost every single day. What have you done? Now all you are trying to do is push 2 townies. I firmly believe fudge is town, and I think you are just trying to make sure we lose here. What have I done? Of the players who have flipped, I've called out Impervious, Node, and BC. Who have you called out again? Kenpachi, syllogism, and youngminii? How did that work out for you? | ||
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On June 25 2011 13:39 FudgeMunkey wrote: Just look at this guy he has just as many posts as me and just as/ more useless. On June 25 2011 18:22 FudgeMunkey wrote: ##vote: Jacinto Just sayin... | ||
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On June 25 2011 15:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Sorry I was away from my computer all day. It's night now, and I'm going to bed soon, but I'm going to post a quick analysis and place my vote for now. Sinani206: Most of his posts are useless one-liners, or filled with inanity, so I'm going to avoid most of those. His general posting activity has been as follows: Decently active day 1, prompted partially by being called scummy and a small bandwagon being formed. Less active day 2, with his activity declining as time went on. Complete lurker from then on out, he's picked up a bit recently, but again, it's been mostly useless spam. Reasons I think he's scummy: Telling people not to post N0, after N0 is already over. An attempt to chastise town while simultaneously making himself look like a voice of reason. Useless advice at that point, and it only came out after being called on for not posting for the first 24 hours of the game. He then continued day 1, by continuously calling for scum hunting to be done while pointing fingers at various veterans without providing any semblance of an analysis himself. I called him out on it, and after that he went pretty quiet, not commenting on anything I said and completely sidestepping the issue. This is around where he began his subsequent posting behaviour of very short (often one-line) posts. Votes for Node, instead of either Syllogism or Hiro, or even any other player with any semblance of an analysis against them. This is the same as his voting habits day 1, voting for Kenpachi instead of any other candidate, and then only because Kenpachi's posting was bad (lol). It looks like someone afraid to commit to an opinion, so instead taking an easy road out. Doesn't want to be held accountable for whatever the lynch target flips. This was from the last day. I've already made a post, saying why I think it's scummy, but I'll reiterate a little. Basically, this shows that he's willing to jump on the bandwagon of a possible townie, without any reason behind it. The entire post just looks like an excuse to jump on the RoL wagon, and shows that he hadn't even been paying close attention to the thread. This post might be meant to be joking, but it still looks scummy to me. Of all the lurkers, he thinks he won't be focused on, and instead just pushes for the one the bandwagon looks like it will be on. Another example, of a bad post with bad reasoning. How he determines RoL's alignment, isn't very good, and is in fact useless for gaining any information on Sinani himself.It's a post meant to make him look like he's contributing while really adding no new information to the thread. So conclusion: -Posts are mostly useless -Begins day 1 calling for scum hunting (while doing none himself) and chastising town to look like he's contributing while he's not. -When called out on the hypocrisy of his actions, he avoids talking about it, and instead disappears. -He's afraid to commit to an opinion the first two days, instead opting for voting someone not likely to be lynched, thus denying any information we might have gotten from his opinions. -The next two days he show a great willingness to jump on bandwagons with little or bad reasoning. -Posts with little content that don't show his own thoughts while trying to look like he is providing new content. -Avoids responding to any pressure. Probable Scum Basically, he looks like a newbie scum who's afraid to show commitment to an opinion/stance and is too afraid to respond to pressure for fear of showing his true colours. He either takes an easy way out where it's hard to get information about him, or jumps on whatever looks like the easiest bandwagon with bad reasoning. ##Vote: Sinani206 That's where my vote's going for now, until I look at more people and see if someone looks scummier. I'd like to see an actual case on some of the other lurkers, instead of just calling them out and randomly voting amongst them. Mataza's town, I think RoL is town, have to look at most other people. Good night.  wtf, dude, i've had you as town for like the whole game, but this is sketchy as hell. You think RoL is town? No explanation? No justification? I'm gonna need something more here. And then you vote for the one lurker who had the balls to actually post something at that point? Grats on your promotion to my number 3 suspect. | ||
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There's a number of new players here, so I'll make my point more obvious. I've already accused RoL and FM of being mafia buddies, showing how RoL's behavior towards FM indicates both an attempt to distance himself and an attempt to protect, typical of scum behavior towards teammates. These quotes from FM show the same attitude back. FM calls RoL out as useless, trying to make them appear to be enemies, but then throw his vote on a random lurker with no explanation. He wants to appear as though he suspects RoL without actually endangering RoL. | ||
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-He's lied repeatedly in this game, three of those times about his role, one of those times to save his own ass (which resulted in a townie getting lynched). There's a reason LAL is a good policy, townies should (almost) never lie, it's only mafia who need to lie as much as RoL has in this game. -He proposed and supported a plan on night 0 that he himself admitted was bad and was only for the purpose of self-preservation (he also lied about the plan, see point 1). At the time, he claimed that this was because he was a vigilante and needed to survive longer. He's already admitted that the claim was false, so why did he need to push an anti-town plan with such a selfish motive? The most logical answer is that he's not town. -His analysis of youngminii. I already made a post about this, but go back and read it. RoL conveniently quotes YM's posts, so you can easily compare what YM is saying in his posts to what RoL says he is saying. They are completely different. RoL takes YM's words out of context and twists their meaning to make YM look scummy. This is not an analysis by someone who is trying to find mafia. This is an analysis by someone who is trying to find a scapegoat. Only mafia needs to twist words to make people look scummy, because mafia knows that their target isn't actually scum -BC, confirmed mafia, busted his ass to save RoL from the last lynch. Not only could his one vote have made the difference, but a name like BC has influence and if he hadn't pushed to save RoL, some of the lurkers might have voted RoL instead. RoL also defended BC before BC flipped, believing and supporting BC's vigilante claim. -Mataza and sandroba's plan ensnared RoL by having sandroba leak information that Mataza was blue to RoL. Mataza and sandroba both got hit that night, and Mataza survived because he was vet. Pretty straightforward, RoL got caught in a PM mafia trap. If this doesn't convince you and you still aren't sure enough to vote for him, go back and read/skim through the thread. You'll notice that everything RoL has been doing all game has only been to keep himself alive. It's that simple. He is clearly, plainly mafia. Please see it. | ||
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On June 26 2011 07:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Unless you think RoL is scum, don't vote for him. A mislynch is death at this point, and that's why I voted for Sinani. I'm more convinced he's likely to be scum than RoL who I'm still shaky on but think is town. @GGQ I've already given my justification for RoL being town or Mataza's "trap" not being strong enough early last day cycle. Just look at his analysis and how he's trying to scum hunt. I might be wrong, but mafia aren't normally that convinced that they're right. Look at my case on RoL above, does that address any of your reservations about voting for RoL? I'd also like you to actually respond to my analysis instead of just shrugging it off. I don't even know what you're talking about with Sinani having the balls to post. Of the lurkers, it only looks like shraft is actually saying anything this cycle, unless posting images and one liners counts as contributing. shraft has been posting a lot of garbage, he gets points for at least trying, but not many. sinani made an actual analysis and a decent post, which you immediately tore apart which discourages further contributions from the lurkers Once again hopping on the easy bandwagon. My vote stands. | ||
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On June 27 2011 11:17 youngminii wrote: just don't lay traps like that if you're vet, do what RoL did and make yourself the center of town with people masoning you if you really want to make a trap, make it OBVIOUS, it really is a poor trap because it relies on someone catching onto a HINT i basically knew BC was scum as soon as RoL told me about his exchanges with BC (after i died) but obviously i couldn't say anything to him, it still shocks me that RoL didn't see it what i learnt from this game: 1. policy lynches should become more of a norm in public games seeing as lurkers get away with everything 2. tunneling is terrible, i mean i was pressuring/tunneling but with only 48 hours to decide who to lynch, even though i moved my vote away my pressure votes/analyses basically became the actual lynch just because there was usually only one other person to lynch who was just as bad of a lynch as the one i started oh and RoL just tunneled to the death which was obviously bad 3. stop using pm land as 99% of the game, if pm land was a country then BC would be dictator of the world 4. i suck (and so do you) also did the mafia hit sandroba and mataza out of sheer coincidence? To answer your last question: yes we did. Also all the blue snipes on the first two nights were sheer coincidence. Also Mig died the same night he got a red check on me. We got pretty crazy lucky this game. | ||
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