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On June 17 2011 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
FoS Sandroba
He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former.
nono
it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe
the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random
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Sorry I wasn't awake for the lynch, I might have changed my vote to hiro (I agree with Varpulis's post against him) but that doesn't really matter anymore.
So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right?
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Everyone, do me a favour. Click that "All" button at the page numbers, type ctrl+F and look up rebirthoflegend.
How the fuck is that not scummy. Here are some golden quotes.
On June 14 2011 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
err, guys. Just to point something out. It's "mason" not "manson" "mansion" or any other aberration of the word.
On a game related note. This is a NORMAL set up, regardless of whatever this silly PM mechanic is. Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk.
Think of it this way, in a normal set up with the ability to PM, would you ever recommend a mass role claim Day 2? No, so why the hell would this be any different? Hint: It's not.
Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up.
My next set of grievances would be that.
1. We can't be sure of your alignment.
2. This plan sucks.
3. I don't know anything of your ability to competently deal with an influx of PM's and sort out the bullshit from the nonbullshit.
4. Plan sucks.
NOTE: He came up with the 'plan' to mass mason him. I have actually mason'd him and he's literally done NOTHING about it. We've sent each other 3 PMs basically saying 'sup'. Why the fuck would you make half the town mason you when you're literally not going to do a single thing about it?
On June 14 2011 16:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I currently just received another masoning, which brings me to 6. Still waiting on others. Ideally I would like to have minimum of 10 people.
FOR WHAT?
On June 14 2011 17:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
medics protect me, problem solved. My goal is different then sandroba's because he wanted to form some half assed blue circle. I am going to use it to kill mafia. I don't use it just to scum hunt, but also to town confirm. Process of elimination baby!
That's bullshit, it's the exact same reason as sandroba and you managed to word it differently.
On June 15 2011 03:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
there is no framing in this game. Stop talking about it. Holy shit.
I know where I am placing my bomb tonight, this is ridiculous.
WHY WOULD YOU SOFT CLAIM MAD HATTER? ON THE FIRST NIGHT? Nah this is just scum pretending to leave bread crumbs.
On June 15 2011 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 05:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, I haven't thought about that, if I'm mafia I would probably be auto elected GF on the off chance the plan might go through, so it's more risky than I originally thought for you guys to trust it. Then again I know I'm not mafia, so if you think so aswel go ahead and proceed with the plan.
The plan does not exclude analysis, it only speeds up the process of clearing and confirming the subjects of analysis. Let's supose there is a list of suspicious people based on behaviour and voting paterns on a previous inocent lynch. I can organize DTs/Vigs to check supicious players on that list and hit the dubious lurkers more efficiently.
It does not stops or hinders any kind of discussion, and it's not like the opinion of the "circle" will be taken at face value either (because even the "circle" does not know each other). Even if a guy is confirmed does not mean he's right as we can tell from many previous games.
The plan I'm sugesting is merely an optimization tool for the efficiency of our blues. The plan itself is blue efficient because it's player list dependant and it's not "required" to work. If no DTs check me or if I die night 0 due to no medic protect we can move on with our lifes.
You guys can figure out if I'm mafia or not, hopefully. (clue: I'm not) I have a better method of organizing blues that doesn't involve a potentially scum third party and is completely transparent to the town. X,Y,Z,1,2 are all inactive players. I take the player count (30) divide by 5. we get groups of 6. if you are a DT/Vig between 1-6 shoot/check X If you are a DT/Vig between 7-12 shoot/check Y If you are a DT/Vig between 13-18 shoot/check Z If you are a DT/Vig between 19-24 shoot/check 1 If you are a DT/Vig between 25-30 shoot/check 2 Minimal overlap, rapes lurkers, don't need some shitty plan that gets you killed, the best part of it is that anyone can make the list of who to check/vig and it can be carried out.
What the fuck nonsense is this.
On June 15 2011 07:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:
RoL, if I recall correctly your own plan hinges on people trusting you and 1-2 Docs randomly protecting you just in case you get targeted.
You don´t plan to achieve anything, except that you are able to pressure scum to slip.
Your assumption is, that scum buy *themselves* into a blatant trap.
And then you hope scum, after you told everyone what exactly you intend to do, will still slip carelessly.
You being able to scumhunt via PM is a pure assumption. You are convinced it is so, but everyone else has just to hope you are actually that good.
I don´t think your plan is any better, espcially for the part where you tie up half the masoning ability of the whole town. Without any tangible benefit.
You might as well get manipulated by a persuasive scum.
There is no guarantee you won´t except for your promise to be Superman in PM-Land. All I need to say to this is, I am that good. My track record speaks for itself.
The only track record necessary in my eyes is this game. It scream out "HAS DONE NOTHING"
On June 15 2011 22:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours.
On June 16 2011 17:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days.
Seriously? You get half the town to mason you then you make excuses about how you've been inactive? Nonononononono.
"but youngminii you have the let him fly! just wait for him to spread his wings and soar gracefully over the shitfest that TL Mafiaa XLII has become!"
On June 17 2011 04:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
That's it, Lynch kenpachi. This is ridiculous. You are retarded, and trying to read words off a rock is going to be annoying, so I say we are better off just getting you out of the way right now.
This is not flying, this is madness.
On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now.
Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning.
WHAT REASONING
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
On June 17 2011 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia.
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You said this in the day. I don't even know why'd you say this, it's just stupid.
On June 17 2011 18:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 17:22 Node wrote:On June 17 2011 15:54 youngminii wrote:
Sorry I wasn't awake for the lynch, I might have changed my vote to hiro (I agree with Varpulis's post against him) but that doesn't really matter anymore.
So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right? If RoL is blue (and the safe money is on he isn't) he's a vet trying to draw a mafia shot by claiming everything under the sun. But the fact that Kenpachi of all people realized that he's playing terribly should underline just how useless RoL has been so far this game. I also fail to understand how Kenpachi is pointing out a blue when he calls RoL the GF. Remember that time I carried you in Merc Mafia? don't hate~~ just hand grenade
He just used past experiences to gain cred even though he's done literally jackall for this game. I did this once too (it was Mafia XXX that was analysed by Ver, just in case you're curious). This is a big factor in the reason why I personally believe he's mafia, but I know most of you won't accept this as a point in my argument.
On June 17 2011 18:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice.
Why are you playing this game. He makes half of town claim to him, does nothing, pulls this shit?? He's giving excuses for being inactive later. ALERT ALERT THIS IS SCUMMY.
On June 18 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Isnt scamp one of them Vets? yeah i think he might be linked to RoL if he is linked to anyone at all. Things like this is why you were supposed to be killed last night. damn it.
This just looks like he's taunting town to see how far he can get away with it. I'm sure it is too.
Him being mafia can also explain his whole "DTs don't check anyone in the Zodiac list (including me)!!!"
What do you have to say RoL? Because at this point you look FAR scummier than Kenpachi or even Hiro is.
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I am looking forward to your analysis on syllogism or anyone else.
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On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything.
There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^
I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum.
I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way.
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The vote on Syllogism was an unfortunate case of tunneling by RoL (or maybe he's mafia OHNOES) and bandwagoning.
If I were DT I would check RoL. If I were Vig I'd hit hiro. That is all.
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On June 21 2011 11:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:14 Mataza wrote:
There has to be another hit or save tonight:
Hiro suicided Node
Sandroba died.
Mafia KP was cut by one for mismodkilling aidnai yesterday. So you let it leak you were blue to RoL, and they popped Sandroba and you? Did anyone else know about this plan? ANYONE. BC, for instance? ...Time to look at vote lists.
of course bc knew about the plan
have you been reading the thread AT ALL?
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ebwop
disregard
thought you were talking about the an hiro bombing
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On June 21 2011 11:11 Mataza wrote:
Bam!
I love it when a plan comes together.
Veteran here, I have taken a hit. I don´t know how exactly the death math turns out but I´m hit regardless.
FoS RoL, since Sandroba told RoL via PM I´m blue.
Coincidently Sandroba mysteriously died tonight. Removing the witnesses too, are we?
mm i'm betting my money on another explanation
rol and node were going head to head quite a bit
i know they could be doing the shift but the simpler explanation is usually the right one, and for now we should take that into consideration
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sorry i watched all of dreamhack
which is why my post count randomly soared (LR threads) and i haven't been posting here as much
it finished though so i've got my full attention here
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On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.
This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?
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On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1.
Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too.
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that's no way that can even remotely be interpreted as "he's blue"
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I like the lurker attack.
Out of the lurkers, landenc seems the most scummy to me. Fudgemunkey seems like a townie that became bored towards the later stages. Vote going to landenc for now.
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stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot
get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post
obvious lynches
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yeah okay
there's quite a decent chance that they're all red
the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people
but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy
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You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us.
You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later".
Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do.
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On June 22 2011 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
@RoL
Is there any way your 'mafia tutorial' would NOT apply DIRECTLY to ~OpZ~ as well, if not more accurately than it applies to YM?
his mafia tutorial is 100% incorrect
don't listen
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On June 22 2011 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 08:17 Kenpachi wrote:On June 22 2011 08:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 22 2011 07:59 Kenpachi wrote:
RoL is being extra obnoxious about not wanting to play this game.. seriously, i believe its some sort of psychology abuse.
##vote RebirthofLegend I know you haven't posted in like 2 game days, but if you look even just ONE page back you will see a giant analysis I just did. Except for the day 1 lul I had, I have posted actively since then. Please do not spread misinformation. thanks for the analysis, much will be clear once youre gone, town or mafia. the problem with this is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if I am right on youngminii, which I am then we will be 9-4 which is much better.
the problem with his is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if EVERYONE is right on rol, which EVERYONE is then we will be 9-4 which is much better.
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wiggles i'm curious as to why you put so much effort into defending RoL
then you make one line saying 'i agree with this guy'
especially when:
On June 18 2011 06:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:If I were a medic? aidnai, youngminii, maybe someone else. Blues should use their own discretion though.
surely you'd have to have thought i was pretty townie if you wanted a medic to use their save on me
i don't want this to be ignored, answer it when you're here
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