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GAH. I had to make dinner, then go help Aidnai pushstart his car and just got back.
Son of a gun. I'm sorry OriginalName, I didn't act fast enough. Really, though you do need to work on your game.
Ok, so night actions:
Medic: JeeJee. I think that he should have protection so much more than anyone else that I'm not even going to put anyone else on this list. Mafia wouldn't have defended OriginalName like that. JeeJee actually tried to keep him alive, Mafia would have tried to be on the right side, but let it happen.
DT: Check Unichan, YoungMinii, (If you think that I'm suspicious enough to deserve a check then me, but only do so if you think I'm scum)
Vig: I don't have a strong enough read on anyone to suggest a vig shot, but one may emerge through analysis of the voting/actions surrounding the lynch.
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People who kept their votes on ON, obviously you are not insta scum, but I want to know why you kept your votes on him. I mean in light of the 0 resistance to his lynch, and the lack of any sort of active discussion this day. How do you explain this if ON is scum?
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On June 09 2011 12:12 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 11:26 Kavdragon wrote:
GAH. I had to make dinner, then go help Aidnai pushstart his car and just got back.
Son of a gun. I'm sorry OriginalName, I didn't act fast enough. Really, though you do need to work on your game.
Ok, so night actions:
Medic: JeeJee. I think that he should have protection so much more than anyone else that I'm not even going to put anyone else on this list. Mafia wouldn't have defended OriginalName like that. JeeJee actually tried to keep him alive, Mafia would have tried to be on the right side, but let it happen.
DT: Check Unichan, YoungMinii, (If you think that I'm suspicious enough to deserve a check then me, but only do so if you think I'm scum)
Vig: I don't have a strong enough read on anyone to suggest a vig shot, but one may emerge through analysis of the voting/actions surrounding the lynch. Absolutely not. DT, check Kavdragon. You start your 100% scum argument against ON and then you bitch out at the end even though you and I both know he was the best candidate. I have very little doubt that you are scum because you are the only person in this game that could pull off what you did AND get away with it. I urge you DT, check Kavdragon. If he really is scum then we WILL lose which is exactly why we need confirmation of Kav's alignment. Not many people in town will listen to me or unichan, so whether or not we are scum will not affect town as much as it will if Kav is scum. Right now it is 6v3. Tomorrow it will be 5v3 unless Doc gets it right. If we mislynch again, that's game. I beg you to check Kav or he will make tomorrow a very bad day.
Not at the end he wasn't. You saw the reaction that putting him up for lynch gave the town. If you only looked at his play then yes, he was the best candidate far and away, but you CANNOT ignore what everyone else is doing. When you look for a response to pressure you are NOT only looking at the person who is pressured. You have to look at what the rest of the players feel about the lynch, and that threw up a huge red flag. You are an experienced player and you most certainly should have seen that.
As far as my DT check, this is my argument against it: We need to find scum. Not confirm townies. I'm fairly confident that I will not be up for lynch tomorrow, (and if I am, I'm confident that I can defend myself without a cop claiming to prove my innocence). This means that the check will not really help us when we need it most.
I'm not afraid of being checked, I just know that it will won't help us tomorrow.
@Youngminii: I'm flattered, but no. There's no way I could pull this off as scum.
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My personal theory is that YM is mafia trying to get the DT to check me because they plan to kill me tonight. I'll elaborate on that more before the day comes around though.
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On June 10 2011 02:16 JeeJee wrote:Facepalm. I'm this close to just giving up on this stupid game. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 11:26 Kavdragon wrote:
GAH. I had to make dinner, then go help Aidnai pushstart his car and just got back.
Son of a gun. I'm sorry OriginalName, I didn't act fast enough. Really, though you do need to work on your game.
Ok, so night actions:
Medic: JeeJee. I think that he should have protection so much more than anyone else that I'm not even going to put anyone else on this list. Mafia wouldn't have defended OriginalName like that. JeeJee actually tried to keep him alive, Mafia would have tried to be on the right side, but let it happen.
DT: Check Unichan, YoungMinii, (If you think that I'm suspicious enough to deserve a check then me, but only do so if you think I'm scum)
Vig: I don't have a strong enough read on anyone to suggest a vig shot, but one may emerge through analysis of the voting/actions surrounding the lynch. I appreciate the concern, but this post makes you look more scummy if that's even possible. If I'm the only medic choice, mafia is just not going to hit me. A medic that doesn't protect anything is a townie. Use your head medic. DT "check me but only if you thin I'm scum" no shit? Why else would the DT check you? Chalk up another one to pretend to be contributing while doing fuck-all
Making sure you don't get hit is exactly why I'm calling for a medic on you. I've played medic before, and I know what I'm doing. You play mind games with the mafia. Oh, and the fact that you defended ON is only part of the reason that I want you medic'd.
The reason I said not to check me unless you think I'm scum is because YM was advocating checking me only to make sure that I'm town. Not because he thought that I was scum. I was making it clear that you look for scum as DT, not town.
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Why is everyone so quiet? More talking is good.
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less activity during the night is a myth invented by mafia in every game. More content to analyse is better for town. What's bad about it?
In other news, I have a vig target! Dementrio has 5 posts in this game and is lurking hardcore. He comes in posts once or twice, then leaves and doesn't come back till the next vote.
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On June 10 2011 05:08 youngminii wrote:
DO NOT SHOOT DEMENTRIO.
If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. Kav is good enough of a player to know that dementrio is as town as you can get. DT PLEASE check Kav as I'm almost certain that he's scum and vig don't shoot tonight, you have tomorrow night to shoot when things are clearer. Shooting tonight is just silly.
Lol, why do you care so much? If it's that obvious that Dementrio is town, why do you feel the need to defend him?
Also don't shoot tonight? LOL? if someone dies tonight, we will be at lylo tomorrow. If two people die tonight, we will be at lylo. There will not be another night for the vig to shoot, unless medic protects the person who is targeted by mafia.
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On June 10 2011 08:04 prplhz wrote:
Yea that's true, why wouldn't vigi just shoot on night3. Rofl, then it was a bad plan after all Palmar.
Are you reading? It's lylo tomorrow regardless of whether he shoots. He won't have a chance to shoot night3 if we get the lynch wrong, and shooting tonight will make the lynch tomorrow easier.
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I feel sick. Youngminii was my main suspect coming into today. I even built an analysis on him that made me think he was scum. If you care to see it: + Show Spoiler +My case for YoungMinii: v1.0 This was the first major opinon voiced by Youngminii: On June 05 2011 03:34 youngminii wrote:
Vets are probably the strongest role in that they can fill in the role as town leader/coordinator. If the mafia want to kill him, they have to use 2KP or roleblock+hit (which not only reveals that there is a roleblocker, it uses both at once). Since the vet has a lower priority for mafia night killing, as long as the town are always cautious, the vet can act as the town pillar. I've looked back on a hunch and found out that Youngminii's last game was Salem Mafia. The two things that went wrong for that game was having centralized leadership, and people claiming. (this was a PM game, mind). Youngminii played as a Vet in that game. This was discussed at some length after the game, and I find it hard to believe that he didn't pick up on any of that. I mean, RoL even hosted a game afterwards specifically designed as punishment for the kind of play that went on in Salem. That's how bad it was. When I saw him advocating the vet claim I thought it was scummy, but figured he might have just never played with veterans before or something odd like that. Knowing now that he's played, not only with, but AS, a vet, I find this impossible to swallow. On June 05 2011 03:44 youngminii wrote:
Advantage: Town gets a centralised 'voice' that can help coordinate us. Less confusion for us.
Disadvantage: None really. It's the best way to utilise the vet role, and the only flaw that there could be is if someone lied about it, but the lie should become obvious eventually.
But if you don't want to then I'm not going to argue, I think there's plenty of other/better discussion that could be happening instead of us arguing over something that you won't agree to. Better to have the palmar/mataza stuff going if this just isn't going to happen. Then he posts this. This makes absolutly no sense from a townies prospective: He explains why it would be advantagous to the town for the vet to claim ("the best way to utilize the vet role"), says that there is no disadvantage ("none"), but then says "I'm not going to argue over it" If you are town, and you have a really pro-town plan, why wouldn't you argue for it!? It's as if he doesn't care about it at all! Disregard that it's a bad plan, cause he clearly doesn't think that it's bad for town. It makes no sense for a townie to just say "meh, i'm not going to argue for this very protown plan." However, it's the perfect way for mafia to back out of something they don't want to argue any more. And look at how well that worked! Further evidence that he never really thought the plan was pro-town is here: On June 05 2011 06:13 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
The roleclaim shit was just some bullshit I made up to start discussion, feel free to ignore the idea now, it's terrible anyway.
Also, Mataza is scum. You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)? That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you. This makes no sense if he thought the plan was pro-town. If you thought this plan was pro-town and he came in and said it was BS, what would you say? If someone comes up with a plan, and you agree with it, and then they say it's a bad plan, then the FoS is on you, right? Youngminii IS suspect for agreeing with this, but he doesn't defend the plan or himself. It makes no sense for YM to be a townie in this senario. It makes sense for YoungMinii to be scum in this scenario. YoungMinii is scumLet's pick up where we left of, shall we? YoungMinii puts a big FoS on Palmar for his play, and this FoS resolves into a full on scum read, and vote: + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 22:20 youngminii wrote:
Palmar your posts have been extremely disgusting and illogical up to this point. You recent posts have been better but your accusation against sinani is completely misguided. He decided to go for a policy (inactive) lynch and all his actions thus far have been in line with that line of reasoning. You on the other hand, have repeatedly posted crap after crap until finally posting a flawed 'analysis' on someone who already has a vote for the same reason you posted AND the person who seems like the easiest to lynch, based on the town's 'policy'.
While I am remaining suspicious of sinani and steff for their inactivity, you have repeatedly shown throughout your posts that you are one of the following:
A. Scum
B. Unfit for town
C. Village Idiot
Also I'm unvoting Steff because he's put in an effort, as little as it may be. You still have to step it up Steff.
##Unvote Stefftastic
##Vote Palmar Notice the resolve. He seems pretty sure of his posting. + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 01:21 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 23:06 Palmar wrote:
The analysis isn't flawed. Policy lynching inactive people is stupid, and will never hit a scum. I may be wrong, but my reasons are certainly valid enough. Lynching people who you think are unfit for town is also stupid, cause that means you're not hitting scum.
I'm glad you actually stuck a vote on me this time though, even if the thought process behind it is flawed, at least you're aggressive enough this time to at least have a hope of creating discussion. Congratulations.
The reason you want to hit people is because they behave in a way that scum should behave. The thought process you should be going through is "If I were scum, would I be posting this". Only Mataza and Sinani206 fit my bill when I went through the thread. I would try to play somewhat like them if I was the scum.
Now, you may not agree with my methods to the point you're willing to vote me off for them, but can you honestly go through my posts and say "this is how I'd post if I was scum".
If you can, then keep doing your thing man. ... what is this really I'm gunning for you because your reasoning/play has been scummy so far, it doesn't have anything to do with whether I agree or disagree with your 'methods'. Also, less belittlement please. Basically your post had no real content. You reaffirm your belief that lynching inactives is stupid, yet you never disagreed with anyone about it earlier. There are plenty of people other than sinani advocating the inactive lynch, including myself, yet you don't even consider this in your crusade against sinani. Then you go on and post a bunch of bullshit for the sake of content. No, you are definitely the scummiest in this town. Yup. He's pretty sure that Palmar is scum. This suspicion continues on till day two, when he makes this remark: On June 07 2011 11:31 youngminii wrote:
This also means that I'm completely backing off Palmar as I find his day 1 actions weird (not really scummy not really townie) considering Mataza is town. What? Not really scummy? That's certainly not the impression that you give with your posts. How does mataza's flip make you think that he is also town? There was never a real opinion that Palmar is scum. Sure, YM might have thought that he looked scummy, but the fact that he dropped his number one suspect becaues someone else flipped town is really suspicious. Not to mention the fact that on day one, (when he was still certain that Palmar was scum) he never suggested that we lynch Palmar instead of Sinani!? Why, when you have such a solid read, do you not put that person in as an alterinative lynch? Now, on to my next point: Mataza. I was confused by the mafia's choice in killing Mataza so I went looking for a reason. There are a couple of possibilites: They thought he was Blue, he was suspicious of someone innocent so they wanted to set up that innocent person, or he was on to someone who was scum, so they wanted to silence him. The first one is a no go. I've looked at his posts several times and nothing about them makes me think that he was blue. The second one is a no go too: It's been almost 48hrs, and no one has mentioned the fact that mataza was convinced that YM was scum. If they had meant to use this to cast suspicion on someone, they would have done it by now. The third one makes sense though. On June 06 2011 20:34 Mataza wrote:
youngminii
Like I said up there, It´s easy for scum to defend a mislynched guy on the slightest provocation. It´s the equivalent of a bus, only that you don´t have to lose a member of scumteam for it. Also me cooperating with Palmar to do what we(he) did is about the most retarded thing I ever heard. Assuming everyone else is dumb is what I do, too, but not to that extent.
It's not finished, but it's what I had.
Can anyone confirm the reason why there were two kills? If you are vig and you shot, PLEASE claim. It will help me clear up a bunch of things, and it doesn't matter if the mafia know who you are if you've already shot.
Cubedin is also a strange addition to a game entitled "surprisingly normal mini mafia.
I want to hear what you guys think of the DT claiming at this point. Personally, I think that he should stay hidden till later in the day if it becomes clear that we are not on the right track.
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Also, Why has everyone fallen so quiet? This is getting ridiculous. We have had less than 2 pages of posts last night, and even the day before then was quiet. If you are a townie you NEED to post more. We cannot function and scum hunt when the activity level is this low.
I've tried my best to scum hunt and it's failed. I'll keep trying but you everyone need to step it up as well.
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Oh god I'm an idiot. I need to talk it over with some people before I do anything drastic, but I think that I can explain a lot. Also, for the record, I called for a vig to shoot someone because I was almost certain that there wasn't a vig. I also failed at thinking straight beforehand: I forgot that if we are at lylo, and we mislynch, it's not GG. If they don't kill anyone that night, OR if the vig hits mafia then we are still in the game.
Whatever. I thought YM was scum too, and having him gone will make sure that I won't focus on him for a lynch.
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[QUOTE]On June 11 2011 03:36 JeeJee wrote:
How does kav keep getting away with his bullshit? Someone fill me in, because I've read the thread twice now and I don't understand how people just ignore it.
Let's do a quick recap:
[quote]Last minute vote switching, every single day. (+3 maficoins)10 minutes before deadline on day 1, 4 hours before deadline on day 2. Instigating the shittiest bandwagon on OriginalName with terrible reasoning, getting 4 people to agree with it, while ducking out at the very end so as to not be held responsible.(+8 maficoins)[/quote]
If you will recall, the first day was a "sinani vs ON" lynch. If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? Day two was not a "last minute vote switch" at all, and I explained my reasoning several times since then. I wanted to see how the town reacted to OriginalName being lynched. I tried to move the vote off of him late in the day, but it was obvious that he was town at that point.
[quote]Keeps suggesting shitty plans like a one person medic list (+2 maficoins), or ignoring basic arithmetic while stating vigi must hit tonight (+2 maficoins). Both of these later "excused" by the wonderful argument of "oops I'm dumb". And everybody just nods their heads, despite the fact that we needlessly lost another townie. (+4 maficoins)[/quote]
I suggested a one person medic plan because I was almost certain that there was no medic (which is looking pretty much confirmed), and it was the best thing I could do to save someone who I was sure was town. (It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town).
[quote]Minii was this townie, dead yet again indirectly due to Kav, and his parting opinion of kav? "If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. His last suspicions are [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228097¤tpage=23#451]here[/url].[/quote]
Yeah, and the guy who was shot night 1? He was gunning for Youngminii heavily up to the end. Confirmed townie doesn't mean that they are right. You should know better than that.
[quote][QUOTE]On June 11 2011 01:50 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh god I'm an idiot. I need to talk it over with some people before I do anything drastic, but I think that I can explain a lot.[/quote]
(+6 maficoins)
Yeah you do that. Talk it over with some people indeed. Kav's gotta be trolling now. I give you props though, you're pretty good at getting people to die while not seeming directly related to their deaths. I wonder what rabbit you'll pull out this time.[/quote]
Um, I'm getting coaching from people, so yes, I will talk it over with them. And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum.
The strength of these arguments are uncharacteristically weak. I may have been wrong about some of my reads, but I've played for the town all game. Are you wearing rose colored glasses?
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Ah crap. Sorry, forgot to preview.
On June 11 2011 03:36 JeeJee wrote:
How does kav keep getting away with his bullshit? Someone fill me in, because I've read the thread twice now and I don't understand how people just ignore it.
Let's do a quick recap:
Last minute vote switching, every single day. (+3 maficoins)10 minutes before deadline on day 1, 4 hours before deadline on day 2. Instigating the shittiest bandwagon on OriginalName with terrible reasoning, getting 4 people to agree with it, while ducking out at the very end so as to not be held responsible.(+8 maficoins)
If you will recall, the first day was a "sinani vs ON" lynch. If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? Day two was not a "last minute vote switch" at all, and I explained my reasoning several times since then. I wanted to see how the town reacted to OriginalName being lynched. I tried to move the vote off of him late in the day, but it was obvious that he was town at that point.
Keeps suggesting shitty plans like a one person medic list (+2 maficoins), or ignoring basic arithmetic while stating vigi must hit tonight (+2 maficoins). Both of these later "excused" by the wonderful argument of "oops I'm dumb". And everybody just nods their heads, despite the fact that we needlessly lost another townie. (+4 maficoins)
I suggested a one person medic plan because I was almost certain that there was no medic (which is looking pretty much confirmed), and it was the best thing I could do to save someone who I was sure was town. (It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town).
Minii was this townie, dead yet again indirectly due to Kav, and his parting opinion of kav? "If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. His last suspicions are here.
Yeah, and the guy who was shot night 1? He was gunning for Youngminii heavily up to the end. Confirmed townie doesn't mean that they are right. You should know better than that.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 01:50 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh god I'm an idiot. I need to talk it over with some people before I do anything drastic, but I think that I can explain a lot. (+6 maficoins)Yeah you do that. Talk it over with some people indeed. Kav's gotta be trolling now. I give you props though, you're pretty good at getting people to die while not seeming directly related to their deaths. I wonder what rabbit you'll pull out this time.
Um, I'm getting coaching from people, so yes, I will talk it over with them. And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum.
The strength of these arguments are uncharacteristically weak. I may have been wrong about some of my reads, but I've played for the town all game. Are you wearing rose colored glasses?
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Wait, are you stalking me on FB or something? Where did you get that picture of me!?
+ Show Spoiler +Also, that picture is the most compelling argument you've made so far.
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Sorry, graduation(s) is(are) sucking my time away.
I don't have time to build an analysis but I think that Prplhz should be looked into first and foremost. I'll try to get what I can done though.
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On June 11 2011 23:18 prplhz wrote:Kavdragon First, what the hell Kavdragon. I think that in the beginning you played very well and townie like, good arguments no hesitation no fluff or spam, but since neither sinani206 nor OriginalName, who were up for lynch on day1, were scum a scum was free to play as townie like as he could. Then you tried to get unichan lynched on day2 but more on that later. What you have been doing since night2 though has been quite bad. First you insist on vigi shooting that night or else we would not survive. Even after both stefftastiq, me and youngminii point out that vigi can shoot later, you insist that he has to shoot that night. In the end vigi shot night2 and that was extremely good for scum. If vigi had waited until night3 it would be 4v3, which would give him 50% chance to shoot a scum, instead of 57% chance .. it is pure math. But this was a freebie for a scum since it is pure math and your defense can easily be math-noob or WIFOM. And why do I think that your defense might be WIFOM? Because you have used WIFOM extensively for your defense so far. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2011 04:48 Kavdragon wrote:Ah crap. Sorry, forgot to preview. Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:36 JeeJee wrote:
How does kav keep getting away with his bullshit? Someone fill me in, because I've read the thread twice now and I don't understand how people just ignore it.
Let's do a quick recap:
Last minute vote switching, every single day. (+3 maficoins)10 minutes before deadline on day 1, 4 hours before deadline on day 2. Instigating the shittiest bandwagon on OriginalName with terrible reasoning, getting 4 people to agree with it, while ducking out at the very end so as to not be held responsible.(+8 maficoins) If you will recall, the first day was a "sinani vs ON" lynch. If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? Day two was not a "last minute vote switch" at all, and I explained my reasoning several times since then. I wanted to see how the town reacted to OriginalName being lynched. I tried to move the vote off of him late in the day, but it was obvious that he was town at that point. Show nested quote +Keeps suggesting shitty plans like a one person medic list (+2 maficoins), or ignoring basic arithmetic while stating vigi must hit tonight (+2 maficoins). Both of these later "excused" by the wonderful argument of "oops I'm dumb". And everybody just nods their heads, despite the fact that we needlessly lost another townie. (+4 maficoins) I suggested a one person medic plan because I was almost certain that there was no medic (which is looking pretty much confirmed), and it was the best thing I could do to save someone who I was sure was town. (It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town). Show nested quote +Minii was this townie, dead yet again indirectly due to Kav, and his parting opinion of kav? "If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. His last suspicions are here. Yeah, and the guy who was shot night 1? He was gunning for Youngminii heavily up to the end. Confirmed townie doesn't mean that they are right. You should know better than that. Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 01:50 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh god I'm an idiot. I need to talk it over with some people before I do anything drastic, but I think that I can explain a lot. (+6 maficoins)Yeah you do that. Talk it over with some people indeed. Kav's gotta be trolling now. I give you props though, you're pretty good at getting people to die while not seeming directly related to their deaths. I wonder what rabbit you'll pull out this time. Um, I'm getting coaching from people, so yes, I will talk it over with them. And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum. The strength of these arguments are uncharacteristically weak. I may have been wrong about some of my reads, but I've played for the town all game. Are you wearing rose colored glasses? Show nested quote +
If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch?
Show nested quote +
It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town
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And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum.
You need to re-read the definision of WIFOM. If I say that scum don't do "A", and I didn't do "A" it's not wifom. It's a defence. WIFOM is when you say: Scum don't do "A", but since scum know that, they might have done "A". Wifom is when you argue that someone is scum because the opposite of what scum do in an attempt to look town.
Scum would have had no need to make a last minute vote switch to draw attention to themself, thus it is actually wifom to argue that I am scum because of that vote.
The second quote is about medics, and is very true. If there is no medic (or if you are the medic) then you make a huge effort in thread to get a specific person to be protected, and then protect someone else, because, as Jeejee says, the scum will just hit someone other than the one in the thread. That way you can double your protection. That tactic served me well in the last game I played medic.
The third quote isn't even cloes to wifom. You seem to have it confused with "i think he wouldn't be able to" or "They wouldn't do that" statements. Observations about behavior =/= wifom.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM
So palpable that you even feel the need to point it out yourself. WIFOM is no way to defend yourself, just explain your actions and get on with it. Only way anybody would have to resort to WIFOM is if they do not have any reasons for their actions (noob defense), or if they don't want to disclose their actions (scum motives). JeeJee's original accusations were "gimmicky" and, as you point out yourself, actually weak. Then why do you use up all the time you have to defend yourself against terrible accusations instead quickly explaining your actions and getting to scumhunting? Are you more occupied with surviving that with nailing scum, even at lylo?
Because defending myself takes about 10 min, and writing a decent analysis takes over an hour. At this point I fully expect the mafia to try with everything they can to lynch me, because it will only take one townie to vote me for mafia to win. This is what I expected as soon as I saw the Day post, and I wasn't in it.
This brings me to my next point; your vote against me. Even though you have cooked up great analysis in the past you decide to bandwagon for this one. No reasons, just following Palmar's accusations, which does not have any arguments either. What the hell? How do you expect me to defend myself against nothing? Or maybe it would be better if I didn't defend myself?
I really thought that you were townie from day1 but this is just crazy weird behavior from you who seemed to have played consistently well.
Since this is lylo I think that it should be possible for everybody to make accusations against three guys. I'm gonna say that this JeeJee v Kavdragon thing looks a bit orchestrated, bad arguments for and even worse counter arguments, the whole thing ending up with a picture of a god damn rabbit getting pulled out of a hat. The whole thing looks like a farce to me, orchestrated so that scum has something to talk about today instead of being afraid to say something because this is getting dangerous. I think that the three scum are Kavdragon, JeeJee, and the last one is definitely not stefftastiq and I doubt that it is unichan either even though I was on his back after day2. This leaves Palmar and dementrio.
Also, people get the hell posting and you absolutely have to be online tonight at deadline. Scum could do a last minute vote switch, it only takes one of us with a bad vote. I am going to need the help of three of you stefftastiq, unichan, Palmar, and dementrio because I seriously doubt that JeeJee is gonna keep his vote on Kavdragon if the guy is up for lynch when we're approaching deadline.
##Vote Kavdragon
Sorry dude but you are playing terrible and I doubt that Ace coached you to use WIFOM as defense when you are townie. And I want to stress that this is not a final vote, I will be here until deadline and I want to see some proper defense Kavdragon. Now, get posting people, get posting right the hell now, we may have a lot of work to do.
I'm not getting coached by Ace, btw.
Your basic argument is "Played really pro-town the first two days" "Played scummy this last night" "Defends with wifom".
The first part is true, the second is false, but I don't fault you for thinking it, the third is false. (Again, read the mafia-scum wiki for an explanation of wifom.)
I can explain all my actions now. But in a new post. One sec.
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First off, I didn't want to do this, but I think that it will be necessary for town to make it past today.
I am a veteran
First day I was legitimately away, and couldn't do much. I came in and saw someone who I had suspected early on, claiming vet. The reason that vet is a great claim for mafia was one point against Sinani, but the fact that i was a vet made me extremely suspicious. So I put my vote on Sinani.
Even though I couldn't be active during the day in order to make me a target, I posted my analysis of OriginalName during the night. There are people who argue against posting during the night, because it helps scum pick tier targets. This is true, and I tried to utilize it by posting as much as I could during the night. Even Ver has said that it's a bad idea to post analyses during the night unless you are sure that you are going to die, because it will make the scum focus on you. Unfortunately they went with Mataza instead.
Second day I came up with a very good case for OriginalName, and waited to see what happened. It was bandwagoned heavily, and that made me doubt my original Analysis a lot, but I was still suspicious until I thought about what JeeJee was doing. My line of reasoning was this: "Jeejee is defending ON harder than he should. This must mean that JeeJee has more knowledge than I do about ON." The only two options were that JeeJee was a detective (and had checked ON), or he was mafia. Jeejee's posts looked pretty good to me (keep in mind that I thought that JeeJee was a new player at that point), then I looked at his posts during the night. He asked TONS of questions about cops, and targets. Classic new DT slip. I had found our DT.
Remember when I posted "I just realized two things: This is a bandwagon, and this is not a ON bus" Well, that was prompted by my third, unmentioned realization that JeeJee was a DT, and since he was defending ON like that, he must have checked him. SO I started frantically trying to undo the bandwagon that I had started. Makes sense, right?
Look at that night. I know that there are two vets, and I'm almost certain that JeeJee is a DT. There's no way that we would also have a medic, or a vig. So I call for medics o protect JeeJee (Again, because the scum wouldn't take a chance that there is a medic, this was the best protection that I could give knowing that there was no medic.)
Then I called for a vig to hit Dementrio. This was another form of pressure that I've used before as town to great effect. Call for a vig hit on someone. Dementrio looked like town, but he wasn't posting at ALL, so I asked for a vig to hit him so that he would post more, and I could get a better read on him. Again, I was almost certain that there wasn't a vig because I was almost certain that there was a DT.
Now, according to you, prplhz, I played a town first two days, but this past night was scummy, right? Now I've explained my play for this past night (and the rest of the game)
Care to take your votes off of me?
Also, I thought I posted this before, but everyone needs to realize that if any townie votes for another townie, we will lose. If any townie doesn't vote for the same scum as the rest of the townies, we lose.
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On June 12 2011 03:09 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar
You can do better than that. I want to see some analysis 'cause I bet that everybody is confused right now and you're suspicious too.
He may be scum, but he's right.
You absolutely cannot sheep in this situation. There are three scum who will try to mislead you, and if you sheep behind this we will lose.
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