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On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote:
Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now,
So long and thanks for all the fish!
HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD
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god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1.
anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind.
that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather.
now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead
i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity.
so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now
and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write
i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me
and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now?
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On June 11 2011 10:37 Pyo wrote:
No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior.
As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched.
no like i said the very first time i played as godfather i did the exact same thing, so i saw right through it
i think i may die tonight. just finished my LoL shit, gonna read up on some posts and throw out some FoS's
On June 11 2011 12:00 Impervious wrote:EBWOP fucking quote tags. Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote:
a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT I may have had something to do with that. -_-
explain please
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i agree with trancestorm's analysis of Vain, and i agree 100%. i think we should pressure Vain.
the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines.
in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia
grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid.
town list for sure is:
pyo
gtrsrs
trancestorm
xedat
kurumi
jackal
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interesting choices mafia
they could have gone after confirmed town so that we have more lynch targets
but instead they go after the guy that has garnered tons of suspicion (jackal) and the guy that i FoS'd and was probably 5th on my possible mafia list (impervious)
makes this a lot easier for us IMO
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you know
looking back
we have 40 players
i doubt there'd be more than 1/5th mafia
maximum 8. more likely 7. 3 dead = 4 mafia remaining
4 mafia = 2 KP. 1 KP removed for amazing's death. 2-1 = 1 KP last night
it's entirely possible that a vigi shot last night. a vigi hit on jackal would have made sense too. what say you guys?
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touche i didn't even see that part
i assumed that this was a ?? of ?? mafia remaining kind of game 
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dude treadmill i'm not gonna lie
it's going to take moving a MOUNTAIN for me to not think you're red at this point
i mean your defense of iGrok was so long and so so wrong
like i said earlier i had you painted as a total townie earlier but the fact that you and iGrok kept giving each other handjobs in front of us and you guys entered like "IF WE GO DOWN WE GO DOWN TOGETHER" mode is just going to make it impossible for us to take you seriously now, i hope you realize. even if you ARE town you've just made a series of really bad blunders and it's going to take a miracle for us to not lynch you eventually
eventually
i want to stress that i think our efforts today are best spent pressuring Vain and grush57. one of these two is definitely mafia, likely both. while i think that Treadmill is also very likely mafia, my gut feeling on him isn't as strong as the other two. in either case, Treadmill posts both frequently and with much content. from this we can derive that if he is mafia he will (a) likely slip up in one of his essays, or (b) start to post less in order to minimize the chance of more huge errors. if either of these happens, we can jump on him instead. but as is now, let's allow him to help the town until he's our last option
one more thing tonight:
we have the godfather dead, there is no framer or lawyer, and only one miller. this means that DT checks are 95%+ accurate at this point (i.e. 1 in 26 chance that you get the miller, assuming that no DTs check kurumi or themselves at this point)
if you're a detective, and you get a guilty on someone, you NEED to let the town know without outing yourself. it is worth it to lynch anyone that flips red even though they've got a 1/6 chance of being the miller at this point. so get smart and find a way to let the town know. on the other hand, if you've got an innocent read on someone (which is 100% accurate), ONLY speak up if we're going to lynch your innocent.
also in memory of iGrok i will be posting haikus in all of my posts from now on
lol you died iGrok
and now i'm posting haikus
oh god irony
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oh yeah and i'm gonna go ahead and throw the first pressure vote on grush57 so we can get this ball rolling and decide if it's worth it to pursue it or change directions while we have many hours left in the days
##vote: grush57
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scratch that. i think the case against Vain is actually stronger and more well-analyzed and more people feel that he is mafia than grush57. gonna go ahead and pressure ##vote: Vain instead
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On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
Vain didn't vote against amazinxdc.
iGrok was too valuable as GF for the mafia. They probably all voted against amazinxdc. therefor we have to kill these obvious scums from first.
while the bolded part is true, you're insinuating that vain voted against iGrok, which is also not true. he voted to kill Jackal, which means we can't ignore him completely.
On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
my suggestion is either TheAwesomeAll or aprudds just by their votingbehaviour. I'll go through their posts later, maybe someone could help me out there a little.
i think it would be unwise to split our attention amongst several possible candidates and instead focus on the two LIKELY candidates for lynch.
something's a bit fishy about this post. noted.
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On June 12 2011 01:09 Pyo wrote:here is a post by post summary of grush57 + Show Spoiler +I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from.
i was the first to FoS grush57. it was just another hunch. he tried to pressure vote me at the same time i was publicly FoSing iGrok. it seemed like a good diversion. later i think kurumi also called him out and he just started QQing and hasn't contributed anything. re-read his posts. where is the substance? it's classic "posting without saying anything"
and what do you know, his latest post is yet another prime example:
On June 12 2011 01:23 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Since grush57 did not even try defending himself I will prod him to do it even more.
##Vote grush57 It's not like I had to do something yesterday and have a life. Anyways, I'll get to that later.
get to what later? he's not going to defend himself, he's going to deflect all day.
On June 12 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote:
You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet".
no, Pyo is cleared. so are you. don't derail the thread by sniping each other and for fuck sake kurumi, hit preview before you post, and make sure you've said everything you need to say, so you don't need to take up 10 posts on a page with your edits and redactions
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On June 12 2011 02:44 Kurumi wrote:
Could someone elaborate why Pyo is cleared?
stop derailing the thread
Pyo was one of the biggest contributors to the iGrok thread. today we are focusing on Vain and grush57.
Pyo and kurumi, i insist that you stop sniping at each other, two of the only confirmed townies. jesus christ.
great analysis omgCrazy. i especially noted this quote:
On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote:
I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched.
Therefore, I vote gtsrs.
cool. well then if a townie would scramble to save himself if he was up to be lynched, and you are a townie, then you will be scrambling today, yes?
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man i am so good at this game
gg sprungjeezy i will never cease to be amazed at people having 2 days to vote, posting their FoS's in the thread and then not voting for them
so i guess we go after Vain and Treadmill now?
gonna look over some voting lists real quick and see what i can deduce
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Day 2 vote
iGrok
Pyo
Gtrsrs
Kurumi
Supersoft
CjrNinja
omgCRAZY
Xedat
Kairo
TranceStorm
Drazerk
freeloader625
Amazingxkcd
Treadmill
Xedat
Kairo
Teamsolid
Alderan
Blackone
Aprudds
Munk-E
Jackal58
Vain
teamsolid
Jimbooo
Heist
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ok
what i can garner from day 2 voting is that i'm pretty sure that Xedat, Kairo are both cleared. i find it highly unlikely that the mafia would switch FROM amazing TO iGrok. teamsolid's switch is inconclusive. if we're to guess that mafia most likely voted for amazingxkcd so as to prevent iGrok from winning the vote, i think our two remaining reds are Treadmill and aprudds. I'm still suspicious of Vain as well.
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Day 3 vote
grush57
Xedat
teamsolid
supersoft
heist
Kairo
blackone
Drazerk
aprudds
Alderan
omgCRAZY
Munk-E
freeloader625
Vain
gtrsrs
Pyo
TranceStorm
CjrNinja
Treadmill
Pyo
Kurumi
heist
Vain
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my thoughts that treadmill and vain are scum are supported here by the fact that neither of them voted for their scum-buddy. although i suppose if vain is scum, and only vain and grush were the serious candidates for day 3, vain wouldn't have very well voted for himself, and treadmill DID vote for his scum-buddy, so my aforementioned thoughts are nullified.
anyways, by now the DT should have gotten a read on treadmill, vain, or aprubbs. shame on you if you wasted a check on me or another cleared. you should come forward with your guilty now, in case you die during the night
if you don't have a guilty, get one tonight *lol*
i think that i will likely die tonight so i'll try to hunt some more tomorrow before the night ends and see if i can set you guys in the right track before i'm sleeping with the fishes
although my advice is basically going to be check/shoot/lynch everyone that didn't vote for iGrok on day 2, and win systematically, like Pyo's advice was
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also, mafia, there's no shame in GGing here 
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hey vigi
you have a fucking gun
use it
jesus christ
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i have lost a ton of interest in this, mafia just gg already
i'll just be sheeping from now on unless i see something really fishy
##vote: Munk-E
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lmao @ me getting roleblocked twice after claiming vanilla townie and telling the town to lynch me to prove it
and i disagree pyo, we would have come to the same conclusion if amazingxkcd had just role-claimed instead of letting himself get lynched
oh well, gg, town rules, mafia drools.
also to supersoft. i don't think this was addressed. but mafia KP is x/2 rounded up. so even if we had gotten lucky and lynched aprubbs instead of Munk-E, Munk-E would still have gotten a kill per night, so there was no reason not to lynch him. just for future reference
kurumi i humbly request you to not sign up for any more games that i sign up for  but i look forward to playing with pyo and trancestorm and some more of you in the future
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also i can't wait for iGrok to come in and tell us that tunneling him was bad play and we're bad players
i remember this one time on epicmafia where we had a set-up with
Cop
Doctor
Fool (village idiot)
3 mafia
2 town
and the cop died night 1. traditionally the fool claims cop and tries to joint-win with the mafia. so this smartass immediately after the flip was like "i'm the cop" and then "i retract"
to everyone else he was just being funny but i saw right through it and pegged him as mafia pretending to be the fool. so i asked the town to start piling votes on him to see how he'd react. of course if he really was the fool he would have hammered his own vote and won the game but he kept screaming at us to take our votes off him because he retracted and blah blah blah
he flipped as the roleblocker and we won a nearly impossible-to-win set-up. the whole time in the "dead player chat" (where people who have been killed can chat with each other while they watch the game finish) he was bitching about how bad of a player i was for lynching someone based on a smartass comment, pretty much how iGrok was saying we shouldn't lynch him based on my suspicions. anyways it was really vindicating as he -karma'd my account and left me a bunch of comments about how bad i was and i was just like
lol u mad?
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On June 16 2011 08:25 Pyo wrote:
well, to be fair, you don't really have to be a dick about it. I mean good job being the first to pick up on iGrok, but rubbing it in like that is just as bad as iGrok being the pompous jack-ass that first tipped you off.
nah there's a difference between trying to control the game and getting caught for it then rage-quitting, and being proud of essentially "winning" the game for your team. i deserve to brag a bit. so do you, you articulated what i was feeling about iGrok much better than i did. bigger than being right in this game is convincing other people that you're right, something i've never been super good at. so cheers
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